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Scope for 45/70
« on: January 12, 2005, 07:27:15 AM »
Guys, I need a scope for my 45/70.  Super 16 w/ muzzle break.  Which scopes will hold up the best.

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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2005, 08:21:00 AM »
Bushnell Trophy or  Leupold. I like the Leupold myself. :D
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2005, 08:43:19 AM »
I trashed a Redfield on mine. I believe Burris are right up there in quality. I have had a 2x on mine for over a decade with no problems.

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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2005, 10:39:12 AM »
I'd like a variable on it.  The Burris scopes seem somewhat large as far as pistol scopes go, but that is what I was leaning towards.

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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2005, 05:52:38 AM »
I have 2 Encores in 45-70 1 Blued and 1 stainless and Have a Burris 2x on 1 and a Ultradot on the other and both have held up fine but, I did snap the cross bolt on a weaver style ring W/ the Burris mounted one.
Bought a set of Leopold rings to fit weaver base and no problems since.

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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2005, 08:57:05 AM »
It may seem odd but the using a fixed power scope at the ranges of teh 45-70 isn't that much of a handicap.

I shot a moose at 100 and 15 yards with a 4x and had no problem. The 45-70 is an awesome round but it is limited to 150 yards or so. So I am not sure one really needs a variable.

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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2005, 11:17:50 AM »
8) I am sure this will cause some squawking, but IMHO the mounting system is considerably more important than the brand of scope in determining durability.  Virtually all of the top quality scopes (Burris, Leupold, Bushnell, Nikon) will withstand the recoil of a 45/70, if properly mounted.  Although my preference is Burris.

Scope failure is caused by scope flex.  Believe it, or not, the upward inertia of handgun recoil causes the scope tube to flex which stresses the objective housing and internal components.  The remedy is a rigid mounting system.  This means no less than three (preferably more) rings, and 6 mounting screws.  

I have four rings on my gun, and have had the base and receiver modified to a 6 screw mounting system using oversize 8-40 screws.  The current scope is a Burris 2X, but I have used a 2 x 6 Bushnell and a Burris 2 x 7 on 45/70 handguns with no problem.  I have a .454 Casull Raging Bull with a 1.5 x 4 Burris variable and five rings (its a long scope), which has taken over 2000 full house 335 gr Casull rounds without failure.

I did not get this out of a book, but learned the hard way through destroying at least one of every major manufacturers' scopes in the process.  Some scope brands have gotten undeserved bad reputations because of improper mounting.  Since eliminating base and scope flex, I have had only one scope failure.  That was a twenty something year old Leupold where the old seals just gave out due to climate extremes.  That is not a problem with more recent scopes.

In addition, very few out of the box scope rings are perfectly round inside.  This means rings will not fully contact and/or grip the scope tube, and slippage will result. (Burris Signature rings are the exception because of the nylon inserts.)  If you have a scope with the telltale lines where the ring halves join, you have slippage.  Ruger SRH factory rings are chief offenders in the slippage category.  This can be easily remedied.

The rings need to be reamed to ensure full contact with the scope, and the sharp edges on the inside of the ring halves need to be broken with a fine file.  You can have your gunsmith do the job, or you can order a Clymer scope ring reamer from Brownells.  Dymo label tape makes a fine friction material, and can be stacked inside the ring(s) to compensate when more elevation is needed. It is sticky on one side, and will stay in place.

Sorry to have rambled on, but if you have a sufficient number of rings that fit your scope and you eliminate base flex, you will have gone a long way toward permanently eliminating scope failures.  Good luck.
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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2005, 02:53:28 AM »
I've read a bunch on how punishing the 45-70 is, the punishing recoil, and how the recoil rips scopes off guns like they were butter.  
Hmmm...
I've been shooting my 45-70 for over 15 years withour losing a scope, base or bolt.  Make sure they are properly installed, lock-tite in place, and use quality parts.  Having said that, I've used $25 scopes with rail mount systems, "Budget" scopes, 4 holes and only 2 rings.  

By far, the most punishing rounds I ran through were full house, paper patched 475 grain slugs.  

So...take it for what it's worth, but I didn't read about it...I've been there.

Bob
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