Author Topic: BC 45-70 lengthened to 45-110??? (Read 9571 times)

oneredbarn · « **Reply #120 on:** February 08, 2005, 04:53:44 PM »

Quickdtoo it is all your fault talking about a 45-120 and Haywire working on his gun to and then Montanan showing all these pictures and telling about sights and things. I had to stop by Wal-Mart today and order a Buffalo Classic in 45-70 :grin: Now I need to buy 45-70 dies and brass and shot it a while and then ream it to 45-100. Then buy brass for the 45-100 and then I will need to send in my other handi for a 22" 45-70 barrel so the that brass wont go to wast. So I hope you all are happy Because I know I am

quickdtoo · « **Reply #121 on:** February 08, 2005, 05:01:31 PM »

Well thank you!!!! Always glad to help out a fellow handi-holic!! :-D Not to be a wet blanket, but no one of late has been able to get a BC thru WM cuz there are none in stock at Sports South, WM's supplier, just checked again. Hope you'll be the first in a while......

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oneredbarn · « **Reply #122 on:** February 08, 2005, 05:20:27 PM »

Quickdtoo I have been watching Sports South and this morning they showed the BC was in stock so I stoped at WM and they called and was told they had one in stock so I hope thay were right. I thought it would be worth a try :wink:

quickdtoo · « **Reply #123 on:** February 08, 2005, 05:30:52 PM »

I hope you got the only one they had cuz it shows none now. :wink:

Cottonwood · « **Reply #124 on:** February 08, 2005, 10:56:38 PM »

There are several Buffalo Classic's for sale at Guns America just scroll down the page to the differant postings.

Hope this helps
Jon

quickdtoo · « **Reply #125 on:** February 18, 2005, 06:46:36 AM »

Quote from: Mac11700

God...I want one of those soooooooo baaaaaaaaaaaad...I had to show my lovely wife just how much money she...errr.I mean Santa Cluase can save next Christmas on me by ordering one about July from Walmart :wink: :wink: :wink: I hope she remembers...

Quick...don't forget to post some pics of all of this ...I gotta see how this all turns out...cause by this time next year I'll be doing the same thing... :wink:

Mac

Here are pics of the first loaded rounds...to maintain continouity in this thread for the future, at this point I have the rifle at the smith doing the rechamber so no pics of that operation. The round on the left is a 45-70 for comparison.

Haywire Haywood · « **Reply #126 on:** February 18, 2005, 07:45:52 AM »

The sight thing is a problem.. I too have not found any sights designed to fit the Handi that are what I want.

My more immediate problem is that for the last 2 weeks, when I call Lee Shaver gunsmith, I've been told that both my barrels are done and on his desk awaiting final inspection. My patience is wearing thin... I don't want the BP loads I have loaded up and go find another gun to launch them.. I count them every morning to see if any have deserted overnight :wink:

Ian

Deadeye47 · « **Reply #127 on:** February 18, 2005, 07:52:08 AM »

Well...I'm glad I found someone locally to do mine...I realize that Shaver is probably a busy guy but I sent him 2 e-mails....no responses!! :cry: IT DOESN'T TAKE A HUGE AMOUNT OF TIME TO HIT THE REPLY BUTTON AND TYPE "CAN'T DO IT NOW..TOO BUSY...SORRY!" AND HIT THE SEND BUTTON.. :roll:

Haywire Haywood · « **Reply #128 on:** February 18, 2005, 08:02:36 AM »

I had exactly the same experience with him. No replies to emails. This is why the sight dilemma is emerging. I was going to have him put his economy soule on my BC receiver but with his poor turnaround I'm not so sure.

Ian

quickdtoo · « **Reply #129 on:** February 18, 2005, 09:23:13 AM »

I took the test rounds to the smith, he gave me a look at my barrel, it's all reamed, my loaded ammo fit fine, he just needs to polish the chamber, reblue the parts of the barrel that were blemished during the lathe work and install a new 17AUG sight cuz he buggered up the hood on the original when removing it for the lathe work....He said he'd have it done by next Thurdays.....sure doesn't instill a lot of confidence in him when he does stuff like bugger the front sight....I'm not a smith but I've installed and removed a lot of dovetail sights and I've never buggered one up yet..... :?

Haywire Haywood · « **Reply #130 on:** February 18, 2005, 10:23:30 AM »

Well I sure hope for your sake that he didn't bugger up your project. :? Mebbe my delays will prove that good things do come to those who wait.

Ian

Deadeye47 · « **Reply #131 on:** February 18, 2005, 12:31:28 PM »

:? Good luck fellers!! Looks like I just may be the first one to get his barrel back from a smith...and he doesn't even have it yet!! :x

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #132 on:** February 18, 2005, 03:27:53 PM »

Haywires lucky his rounds won't fit my rifle or I'd already shot them :shock: I'm gonna have to send off for a BC barrel so I can play with the big boys too.

Maybe I can get my .38-55 shootin well this weekend.

cheatermk3 · « **Reply #133 on:** February 18, 2005, 04:21:48 PM »

I hope my Target gets back from the factory soon.

Deadeye47 · « **Reply #134 on:** February 18, 2005, 06:06:38 PM »

Well..this is beginnin to sound like a bus stop....we're all just-a waitin :-D :-D :-D :-D

quickdtoo · « **Reply #135 on:** February 24, 2005, 04:24:54 PM »

Got the BC back this afternoon, but I'm not a satisfied customer of this smith.....first thing I noticed is the Lyman sight that he had to replace cuz he buggered it up was mounted wrong, the dovetail had light under the back edge and was tilted forward slightly, didn't take long for me to fix it, but he should have done that. Next thing I notice is there is an area about a ½" wide right at the end of the chamber ahead of the sight that has been reblued, but the metal not refinished, like it was blemished during the lathe operation. I would expect better work than this from a smith that's been in business as long as he has, I was too upset with him to argue or demand he fix it and I was afraid he might bugger up something serious like the crown or something if I left it there for him to fix, so I just left after I paid him, which, btw wasn't what he told me to begin with....what he told me was reamer rental plus his normal charge of $55....well, now his rechamber fee is $75, plus he charge me Midway level shipping charges for the reamer shipping! Ended up being $135 out the door! I'm thinkin he decided to tack the cost of the front sight he buggered on to the bill to cover his butt! He's 70ish, not in the best of health, doubt I'll be going to him again.... :x

Now for the good news! The chamber looks great, smooth and shinny with a crisp break into the throat, looks just like a factory chamber as far as I can see. Test round showed no bad signs and he said it shot real good.....FWIW. I chambered a 500gr Cast Performance round I loaded up, and it ejected fine, so the throat isn't too short either, not that it makes too much difference with all that case to seat into.

Think I'm going to the range Saturday, crowd or not!

Deadeye47 · « **Reply #136 on:** February 24, 2005, 04:53:37 PM »

Sorry to hear of your problems with the smiths work...I hate it when they screw up and try and stick you for their screw up...and hope your not sharp enough to realize what happened.... :x Have fun at the range though....I think it's good thing that the range will be crowded... :eek: :eek: :-D :-D

Haywire Haywood · « **Reply #137 on:** February 24, 2005, 10:59:18 PM »

My barrels should be back in a day or two. My total bill for the rechamber of the BC, throating the 22" Handi to accept a bullet from a Mountain Mold I have and checking for/polishing out the tight spots in both barrels was $168 return shipping included. Not too bad a deal when I see what quick paid for what was unfortunately a less than perfect job. We'll see what mine look like when UPS gets them here.

Ian

Deadeye47 · « **Reply #138 on:** February 25, 2005, 05:26:13 AM »

Good luck to ya Haywire...hope it was worth the wait for ya...I'm still waiting for my smith to call and tell me he has the reamer and to bring my barrel out....

handirifle · « **Reply #139 on:** February 25, 2005, 06:25:20 AM »

Haywire
If Lee did your work as well as he did mine it will be worth the wait! This thread has gotten HUGE. You guys are making me want another BC barrel. Arrrggghhh!!!! Stop it!

quickdtoo · « **Reply #140 on:** February 25, 2005, 06:35:13 AM »

Well, I worked on the scoring on the barrel and got it cleaned up, now the problem is going to be getting it blued to match the rest of the barrel, will probably end up re-bluing the entire barrel in the end....Anyone got a favorite cold blue formula?? Sheesh! .....I've have good luck with BC Perma Blue, but there must be some better stuff out there......

Mac11700 · « **Reply #141 on:** February 25, 2005, 09:56:45 AM »

Quick:

Perma blue works pretty good...and those rounds you loaded... :eek: :eek:

That aught to work...on just about anything :wink:

Mac

Deadeye47 · « **Reply #142 on:** February 25, 2005, 01:46:37 PM »

Got that receiver in the mail yet handi.. :roll: ... come on... you know you want to.... :-D

L to R 3 45ACP's, 45-120,45-100, (the little :mrgreen: ) 45-70, 45 Long Colt and 22 long rifle

Haywire Haywood · « **Reply #143 on:** February 25, 2005, 02:33:41 PM »

Had'em both waiting on my back porch when I got home. The first thing I noticed was how poorly packaged they were. I sent them in a 3"x36" cardboard mailing tube, the kind you get at an office supply place. I wrapped them head to toe in bubblewrap so that they were snug in the tube.. Shake Shake Shake, no movement at all. I got them back in the same tubes, but with a fraction of the bubblewrap and no end cap.. just tape... the Handi barrel was wrapped top to bottom with a layer or two but was rattling around the tube... the BC barrel had a tuft of Bubblewrap at the top and bottom with nothing around the barrel... again, flopping like a fish around that tube. The BC barrel had a spot of rust on the barrel stub about the size of a butterbean. That was the only damage I could detect. I'm a little disappointed in the leade I saw in the BC, it looks as abrupt as the original, not the gradual leade I've read is best for cast. There are some light tooling marks on the surface of the breech, like the tooling came into contact with it when they were cutting the chamber. It's possible that was there from the beginning altho I don't remember it.

I've shot the BC a couple times, and am beginning to wish I had gone bigger...with a 535gr Lyman Postell seated to just cover the top lube groove and a .030 Walter's wad I get about 72gr of FFG by volume dropped thru a 36" drop tube before I start hearing the "crunch" of compressed powder. As best I can measure I'm getting about .040 of compression with that. Recoil is not bad as compared to lvl 2 smokeless loads out of the 45-70 Handi. This is without the extra lead in the buttstock.

Montanan... Can one use fffg in these cartridges? I have a few ounces for my 36 cal frontstuffer. I got the need for more thump.

Ian

Cottonwood · « **Reply #144 on:** February 25, 2005, 04:15:05 PM »

In my repro 45-90 Sharps, I have used 85.0 gr of FFFg :shock: with a Fed 215 LMRP with a 550-gr Creedmore. Don't worry about crunching powder, Goex needs to be compressed.

:-D yah baby did I do that?

? :-D

Watch out this is addicting

Haywire Haywood · « **Reply #145 on:** February 25, 2005, 04:31:34 PM »

Thanks Montanan.... back to the reloading room I go.... fffg here I come.

Ian

quickdtoo · « **Reply #146 on:** February 25, 2005, 04:45:02 PM »

The 45-120 Buffalo Classic is ready to play! Gonna shoot it with issued sights for now until I can make up my mind which sight to go with. Got the barrel reblued as good as I can do with cold blue, looks ok, just not quite right, might still do the entire barrel, then at least all of it will look the same. Headed to the range tomorrow or sunday, depends on the wife, she's home on her long weekend for a change.... :?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #147 on:** February 25, 2005, 06:04:19 PM »

Forgot to mention that I also converted the ejector to an extractor so that $2+ brass doesn't get thrown around!! :eek:

Mac11700 · « **Reply #148 on:** February 25, 2005, 06:24:08 PM »

Quote from: quickdtoo

Forgot to mention that I also converted the ejector to an extractor so that $2+ brass doesn't get thrown around!! :eek:

I was wondering if you were going to do that...makes a-lot of since to me to do this...was it very hard to do? I have given it some thought doing my 30-30 that way...

Mac

Deadeye47 · « **Reply #149 on:** February 25, 2005, 06:36:29 PM »

Quote from: Mac11700

Quote from: quickdtoo
Forgot to mention that I also converted the ejector to an extractor so that $2+ brass doesn't get thrown around!! :eek:

I was wondering if you were going to do that...makes a-lot of since to me to do this...was it very hard to do? I have given it some thought doing my 30-30 that way...

Mac

I too was thinkin about that but frogot to say something to ya about it...I still miss covering the the chamber occasionally when I break it and launch one over my shoulder....yeah $2+ piece of brass arching over your shoulder into some high grass would be a pisser... corse finding a chunk of that brass should be a little different than say...a piece of Hornet brass... :roll: