Author Topic: BC 45-70 lengthened to 45-110??? (Read 9570 times)

Beekeeper · « **Reply #90 on:** January 25, 2005, 08:05:19 PM »

Quickdtoo, I can hardly wait to hear how you like that .45-120 once it's done. You guys have me thinking the same thing, just what caliber. Oh well, that is a project that may come up some other time. :twisted: That .50-140 looks awfull good too, just not in a H&R. :twisted:
Zach

Mac11700 · « **Reply #91 on:** January 25, 2005, 08:28:51 PM »

God...I want one of those soooooooo baaaaaaaaaaaad...I had to show my lovely wife just how much money she...errr.I mean Santa Cluase can save next Christmas on me by ordering one about July from Walmart :wink: :wink: :wink: I hope she remembers...

Quick...don't forget to post some pics of all of this ...I gotta see how this all turns out...cause by this time next year I'll be doing the same thing... :wink:

Mac

quickdtoo · « **Reply #92 on:** January 25, 2005, 08:29:39 PM »

I talked with a machinist/shooter friend of mine tonight, he said that doing a hand ream on the straight walled 45-70 to 45-120 should be a piece of cake. I thought maybe I should have it done on a machine but he didn't think it was necessary and he would do the hand ream himself if he were doing one. That was good news!! :grin:

Mac, I'll take a pic of the bullets, brass and reamer when I get it all together....and since this is my first ream job, maybe a step by step...

Tim

EDIT/UPDATE: Have since checked into hand chamber reaming and Deadeye talked to Elk Ridge reamer rentals and decided a hand ream was too risky, if ya break or damage a reamer, it'll cost ya the retail price of the reamer or what ever it costs to repair it which could easily be over the cost a smithy would charge, so it's on to a smithy for me and have switched horses to a BC instead of the Handi barrel for the conversion.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #93 on:** January 25, 2005, 08:40:00 PM »

Thanks Bro...can't wait to see all of happen...

Mac

Haywire Haywood · « **Reply #94 on:** January 26, 2005, 03:21:47 PM »

Got my midway order in and the BC barrel went out to Lee Shaver to do the rechamber today. I sent him my Handi barrel last week to re-throat to fit the bullet on the bottom in the pic. It's a 325gr WFN gas checked bore rider from a mold I got from Mountainmolds.com. It doesn't like short throats in the slightest. It should be a real woods hammer with that huge meplat. I talked to him today and he said that he found a real tight spot in the bore just forward of the chamber. He's going to polish it out for me. On the top in the pic is a 45-90 with a Lyman 525gr Postell I got in the mail today.

Ian

Big Blue · « **Reply #95 on:** January 26, 2005, 03:45:05 PM »

Ian,
Looking good! I've gotten into polishing the bores of any new rifle using J.B. Bore Paste, I have never found it to hurt, and have found it to help. Tight spots in the bore seem to be pretty common. Mostly found in spots along the barrel that correspond with dovetails or drilled and tapped sight mounts. The one rifle that seemed to respond the best was a Marlin 444. I considered firelapping, but thought hand lapping would be a bit more gentle on the bore.

Don

quickdtoo · « **Reply #96 on:** February 03, 2005, 08:11:57 AM »

Just talked to the local smithy, he's semi retired, only open 3 days a week, but said he would do the 45-120 chamber ream on a lathe for $80 out the door, all I need to do is take the barrel to him and he'll take care of the rest. Normal charge for the ream is $55 but since he doesn't have a reamer, he would need to rent one, so I'm good to go....now all I need is some brass and a rifle! Still haven't decided on what to do with the 22" 45-70 barrel....

:?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #97 on:** February 05, 2005, 09:35:40 AM »

BC is now at the gunsmith being rechambered to 45-120, expect it to take 2-3 weeks or so by the time the smithy orders the rental reamer which he said he would order on Monday...now the wait begins again...plenty of time to decide on a sight.... :?

Deadeye47 · « **Reply #98 on:** February 05, 2005, 09:41:42 AM »

It's going to be like watching the grass grow...

I feel for ya but excited on the other hand .....are you going to be able to provide pic's of the first prototype rounds to come off the press?

:roll: Also the first time ya squeeze the first one off at an attacking washing machine or other large appliance threat!!! :mrgreen:

MSP Ret · « **Reply #99 on:** February 05, 2005, 09:53:09 AM »

Quick, what are you donig to me!!! A 45-120!!! Just when I thought I had all the calibers I wanted/needed/wanted/needed. Now you have to wave this in front of me!!! Will this rifle be all set and the ammo loaded and accuracy tested in time for the "1st annual H&R Handi P'dog GB Social Hour and Invitational Shootout"? You can never be to sure when a giant mutant man eating P'dog might just show up and have to be humanely dispatched at 500-600 yards or so. And you my kind sir. will be the man with the gun to do the job....<><....

quickdtoo · « **Reply #100 on:** February 05, 2005, 10:00:37 AM »

Quote from: Deadeye47

It's going to be like watching the grass grow... I feel for ya but excited on the other hand .....are you going to be able to provide pic's of the first prototype rounds to come off the press? :roll: Also the first time ya squeeze the first one off at an attacking washing machine or other large appliance threat!!! :mrgreen:

Of course!!! :-D Haven't got the brass yet, or I would have done that part already. Scary part is if the brass all of a sudden becomes unavailable!! :eek: But Buffalo Arms took the time to call me to let me know it was just backordered, so hopefully it's still on the way....I would hope that if anyone can get it, they can....there are a couple other sources, but they could all be from one supplier....As a last resort, Cabelas sells 45-120 ammo and takes 9-10 weeks to get it...but at $82 a box!!! :eek:

MSP, this is my earlier post in this thread:

Quote

... This venture for me is just a toy, albeit if a big toy....I want the shock and awe of the big guy on the block if at all possible....I've certainly spent much, much more money and time on projects that had less reward from the practical point of view. If I'm going to spend time and money on this "toy", I want the most reward that I can get and the 45-120 seems to be it. Even if I only buy 20 rounds of brass to work with, it would still be fun.....

That should pretty well explain my ha ha reasoning and logic! If it's gonna cost me just as much to re-chamber to 45-90 or 45-100 as a 45-120, might just as well go for the most and the biggest! Brass is a one time expenditure for what little I'll shoot it, so the difference in brass cost doesn't count as long as it's available at least one time....

quickdtoo · « **Reply #101 on:** February 05, 2005, 10:17:07 AM »

Forgot the P'dog shoot....won't be going, too far, even as much as I'd like to meet everyone, just can't make that long a road trip in a short time and really enjoy it, sorry... :cry:

Cottonwood · « **Reply #102 on:** February 05, 2005, 10:54:37 AM »

Hey Quickdtoo

After I get my Rolling Block on this side of the Rockie, you and I will have to get together. I live in the NW part of Montana and really aint that far by way of modern day stage coatch :-D

We could have some rip roaring fun and creat some days of THUNDER and SMOKE :shock:

quickdtoo · « **Reply #103 on:** February 05, 2005, 11:06:05 AM »

Jon, that sounds like something I need to do!!! :grin: Right now I'm in somewhat of a quandry as to what rear sight to put on it, I think I want to stay away from the wrist mounted sight and really like the Smith ladder sight, but hate to beat the front sight up making windage adjustments during sight in. I looked all over the web for a muzzleloader type sight pusher, but only found those designed for ramp mounted dovetailed sights....any ideas??

Thanks,

Tim

quickdtoo · « **Reply #104 on:** February 06, 2005, 06:03:44 PM »

?? :?

Haywire Haywood · « **Reply #105 on:** February 07, 2005, 02:18:25 AM »

Quote from: The Montanan

We can run a little side match during the free time.

I just caught that. Does that mean that our BCs will not be welcome in the main match? I thought with the lever guns and the Ruger#1s shooting that our BCs would fit right in. If I can't shoot (Translation: get in the running for that Sharps door prize) I'm gonna boycott :eek:.

Anyway, I loaded up a 45-2.4 with Lyman's 535 Postell seated down to the first band and got around 68gr ffg by weight in there with a .030 Walter's wad between boolit and powder. Does that sound about right? I dunno how your folks measure powder compression, I was measuring bullets and how high the powder was in the case with a depth gauge and then just guesstimating. How the BPCR shooters come up with compression in thousandths is beyond me. BTW, that powder amount was settled by touching it to my tumbler. I dunno that it did any good cause the powder was turning over in the case like the media does in the tumbler. No visible settling just a lot of motion.

Ian

Deadeye47 · « **Reply #106 on:** February 07, 2005, 07:17:50 AM »

I hear ya on the powder compression in thousands of an inch...LOL .....I actually got 65 grains of Goex FFG in a 45-70 case and dropped in an .030 wad and seated a 500 grain Lyman 457125 on top....now that was compression... :wink: ( Kinda made me a little nervous too...)

Cottonwood · « **Reply #107 on:** February 07, 2005, 12:38:17 PM »

Quote from: Haywire Haywood

I just caught that. Does that mean that our BCs will not be welcome in the main match? I thought with the lever guns and the Ruger#1s shooting that our BCs would fit right in. If I can't shoot (Translation: get in the running for that Sharps door prize) I'm gonna boycott :eek:.
Ian

OF COURSE the Buffalo Classic's are welcome, WHY would they not be?

PLEASE do not read into my post. If one reads the posting on Quigley 2005 and reads the poster you will see ANYTHING ABOVE .37 cal is welcome.

Sorry I had a long weekend and long drive today. Please re-read the poster.

Jon

Cottonwood · « **Reply #108 on:** February 07, 2005, 12:41:36 PM »

Quote from: Deadeye47

I hear ya on the powder compression in thousands of an inch...LOL .....I actually got 65 grains of Goex FFG in a 45-70 case and dropped in an .030 wad and seated a 500 grain Lyman 457125 on top....now that was compression... :wink: ( Kinda made me a little nervous too...)

Goex loves compression

I use 88.0 gr in a 45-2.4" cartridge under a 550-gr bullet.

Believe me you would have to use a sledge hammer to get that Goex to go off under a hard strike.

That load will be a good one.. I wish you the best of accuracy with it.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #109 on:** February 07, 2005, 03:41:23 PM »

Quote from: The Montanan

Hey Quickdtoo

After I get my Rolling Block on this side of the Rockie, you and I will have to get together. I live in the NW part of Montana and really aint that far by way of modern day stage coatch :-D

We could have some rip roaring fun and creat some days of THUNDER and SMOKE :shock:

Jon, that sounds like something I need to do!!! :grin: Right now I'm in somewhat of a quandry as to what rear sight to put on it, I think I want to stay away from the wrist mounted sight and really like the Smith ladder sight, but hate to beat the front sight up making windage adjustments during sight in. I looked all over the web for a muzzleloader type sight pusher, but only found those designed for ramp mounted dovetailed sights....any ideas??

Thanks,

Tim

Deadeye47 · « **Reply #110 on:** February 07, 2005, 04:09:31 PM »

I have another question...when I go to reloading for the 45-100...can't I just use the 45-70 dies and just neck size and bell using the existing dies I have or does one really need to buy a full set of dies for the 45-100. I already have a universal de-caper die that will hopefully reach thru the 2.6 case.... :roll:

Cottonwood · « **Reply #111 on:** February 07, 2005, 11:13:03 PM »

Tim

Your going to need a sight at either end that will have windage adjustment, you won't need both to do that just one end or the other. Like the 1879 Springfield Trapdoor Sight #473 that has windage adjustment from side to side and elevation up to 1500 yards :shock: Or a windage adjustable front globe sight like one from Montana Vintage Arms but then you won't have elevation. So I would go with the barrel sight that has elevation and windage adjustment.

Deadeye47

Yes you can use your 45-70 dies to just do a neck sizing. When shooting always do what is called indexing your cases when shooting. If using StarLine brass make sure the name is at 12 O'Clock in the chamber for each and every shot. You can index a special mark "l" TDC on your chamber to the 12 O'Clock position then line it up with the capital L in the word StarLine. Your cases do not need to be fully resized if they are only used in your one Buffalo Classic and not another 45-2.6" chamber.

I hope this helps
Jon

Deadeye47 · « **Reply #112 on:** February 08, 2005, 04:45:33 AM »

Cool...thats what I was hoping Jon....Thanks and thanks to Justice Trimble for starting this thread......I think... :roll: :-D :-D :-D

quickdtoo · « **Reply #113 on:** February 08, 2005, 06:39:29 AM »

That's part of my quandry, the Smith sight has no windage adjustment and the USA 473 sight has no peep and I don't want to buy another front sight in addition to the rear sight.....So now I'm back to mounting a Marbles 9813 to the wrist..... :?

Thanks,

Tim

Deadeye47 · « **Reply #114 on:** February 08, 2005, 07:01:22 AM »

I've been kinda lookin around and I can't come up with anything.... else as an alternative for ya.....corse you apparently are much better at diggin up info than I am....sooooo I'm can't add any choices for ya....your lookin at a compromise obviously or using the Marbles sight.....time to flip a coin.... :roll:

quickdtoo · « **Reply #115 on:** February 08, 2005, 08:24:28 AM »

Well, I can deal with the lack of windage adjustment on the Smith ladder sight by using a brass sight drift on the front lyman sight, have done that for years with my flintlocks, but the closeness of the buckhorn sight in the lowest position would not be good for my old eyes, so it wouldn't be a good hunting sight for me and I do want to hunt with it at least sometimes. At least the Marbles would be OK for that, although still not idea since carrying the rifle with the tang sight must not be real comfortable and then there's the movement twix the stock, barrel and frame that must affect accuracy. I went to the Pedersoli web site for a better pic of the USA 473 sight, it doesn't have a peep, just a notch so that wouldn't be good at all for my eyes being so close if mounted over the chamber.....still haven't made up my mind.... :?

Cottonwood · « **Reply #116 on:** February 08, 2005, 10:23:35 AM »

Tim

Think of this rifle as a Buffalo Classic, now see where the 1879 sight is installed and see what front sight is on this 1874 Springfield Trapdoor? Its a globe or tunnel sight with inserts. My guess it is using a post with ball insert. I guess if you still needed that Marbles tang sight you could put one on, but I know from this combination of barrel sight and front sight that you don't need to.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #117 on:** February 08, 2005, 10:40:32 AM »

Judging the position of the barrel sight on that rifle. it would still be too close to my shootin eye for me to only see one set of sights, for me it would have to be closer to the middle of the barrel (that's were my rear sight is on my 34" barreled Lancaster flintlock) and with it so close to the front sight I loose all that sight radius which adds so much to accuracy. Soooo, I'm still leaning towards the Marbles 9813 or as a last resort, the Williams FP. :?

Cottonwood · « **Reply #118 on:** February 08, 2005, 10:58:54 AM »

Quote from: quickdtoo

Judging the position of the barrel sight on that rifle. it would still be too close to my shootin eye for me to only see one set of sights, for me it would have to be closer to the middle of the barrel (that's were my rear sight is on my 34" barreled Lancaster flintlock) and with it so close to the front sight I loose all that sight radius which adds so much to accuracy. Soooo, I'm still leaning towards the Marbles 9813 or as a last resort, the Williams FP. :?

Tim

You don't loose anything on your sight radious. I called the gunsmith at C.Sharps when installing the 1879 sight on my Buffalo Classic because they deal with proper placement of the barrel sights when cutting the dovetail into the barrels for the lawerance buckhorn sights for the Sharps rifles. They commonly deal with the distance issue 28", 30", 32" and 34" barrels and knowing where to place that rear buckhorn sight. You should still be approx 27.5" apart between your rear barrel sight and front globe sight with the 32" barrel.

That is putting that sight 6.5" out from the chamber, with about a 1" set back from the crown with the front dovetail. This places your sights 27.5" apart which is pleanty of sight radious for long range shooting.

But if you still want to go with the Marbles tang sight, your still a winner :-D

quickdtoo · « **Reply #119 on:** February 08, 2005, 11:18:03 AM »

The problem with the open sight is I see 2 of em :eek: when they're closer than about 24" from my shootin eye, so I would need it much closer to the front sight than someone with younger eyes! That's the reason for the tang mount or receiver mounted peep. :wink: