Author Topic: .375 H&H Is Back (Read 2919 times)

Lawdog · « **on:** January 17, 2005, 11:01:04 AM »

I see that Remington got the hint and brought back the .375 H&H. Considering that now the .375 H&H is going to be going head to head with the .375 RUM(only one model, same model, is being chambered for them) it will tell which is the better seller. Lawdog

Moose-Hunter · « **Reply #1 on:** January 17, 2005, 12:48:47 PM »

One of the local gunshops has a couple of those stainless Remington's in 375 H&H on the shelf. I didn't like the looks of them at all.

Moose-Hunter · « **Reply #2 on:** January 17, 2005, 01:04:41 PM »

And they come with a 26" barrel. I laughed.

Rockfish · « **Reply #3 on:** January 17, 2005, 07:38:18 PM »

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And they come with a 26" barrel. I laughed.

I sort'a like my 26" barreled, 40" overall Encore... shoots real sweet...

Lawdog · « **Reply #4 on:** January 18, 2005, 10:55:17 AM »

Moose-Hunter,

The 26" barrel is the best part about them. Lawdog

Moose-Hunter · « **Reply #5 on:** January 18, 2005, 03:24:30 PM »

Not really!

Butler · « **Reply #6 on:** January 23, 2005, 09:59:57 AM »

My cz 550 has a twenty five inch tube and shoots nice and handles great..26 would not be that outta line as well 24 wold not be..Squeeze some extra fps out of the length.Not that the h&h needs it.

Spyro Andes · « **Reply #7 on:** January 24, 2005, 08:57:21 PM »

IMHO, on bolt guns, I'd rather have an 18" barrell on a 375 H&H than a 26" barrell.

All of my 375 H&Hs are 24" or under... For me, 26" is just to big for the country I hunt.

In fact, one of my favorite 375 H&Hs has a 20" tube.

msorenso · « **Reply #8 on:** January 25, 2005, 08:09:36 AM »

DO YOU THINK WE WILL HAVE TO HAND LOAD THE RUM 375 TO GET AMMO?

Rmouleart · « **Reply #9 on:** January 25, 2005, 08:45:14 AM »

The 375 H&H can not reach its full capability's in 18 inch barrel, Its like waisting all that good power LOL...It would probably work fine, just being picky;). A 24 -26 barrel would perform much better I think. Aim small hit small. RAMbo.

Lawdog · « **Reply #10 on:** January 25, 2005, 09:53:54 AM »

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DO YOU THINK WE WILL HAVE TO HAND LOAD THE RUM 375 TO GET AMMO?

IF Remington were to drop the RUM's today ammo would still be available for a number of years until the demand fell to the point where it no longer was profitable to make them. Just how long that would be is unknown. Basically, its up to the beancounters, as usual.

An 18 - 20 inch barrel on a .375 H&H? :eek: If the animal was close enough you wouldnt have to hit it, the muzzle blast would kill it. :-D Lawdog

warf73 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 25, 2005, 07:56:53 PM »

Lawdog

Do you have a link to the new 375H&H by Rem.

Thanks Warf

Spyro Andes · « **Reply #12 on:** January 25, 2005, 11:12:52 PM »

My preference for shorter barrells isn't about ballistics... It is about making a rifle that is usable in Alaskan thickets or in the rain forests of coastal Alaska.

Again, this is just my opinion but a rifle w/ a 26" barrell is such a hinderance in the terrain that I hunt, I'd take an 18" 375 H&H any day of the week.

Actually one of the best working rifles that I have ever owned is a Sako 375 H&H that has a 20" tube. That gun was extremely handy and was a dream to hunt with...

I never heard a moose or bear complain about muzzle blast or lost ballistics. :roll:

But to each his own...

Moose-Hunter · « **Reply #13 on:** January 26, 2005, 03:33:12 PM »

I never found long barrels to be a problem up here.

Rmouleart · « **Reply #14 on:** January 27, 2005, 03:05:45 AM »

Bottom line the long barrel will be your best friend, when you need to take a long shot on your game. Get your self a butler Creek sling,a good shooting stick, good to go, if you think your gun is heavy try packing out 150 pds of meat and cape;) then we can talk weight LOL, just joking with you. Aim small hit small. RAMbo.

Spyro Andes · « **Reply #15 on:** January 28, 2005, 08:31:14 AM »

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I never found long barrels to be a problem up here.

I don't know where "up here" is... Western Pen? Kenai? Interior? Prince of Wales?

All I know is this... talking about needing a 26" for long shots is foolish.

First, I hope by long shots that means atmost 300 yards?

Second, why build a rifle for that 1 shot in 100 that you'll be shooting 300 yards?

I don't think that I have ever had to shoot at anything past 180 yards with my 375s. Most shots have been well within 100 yards.

Lawdog · « **Reply #16 on:** January 28, 2005, 11:33:02 AM »

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It is about making a rifle that is usable in Alaskan thickets or in the rain forests of coastal Alaska.

I've hunted the alders thickets of coastal Alaska(been going there for 30+ years) many times and never had a problem with my Weatherby rifles(all with 26" barrels). If a 26" barrel is good enough for hunting the brush of Africa and a 26" barrel on a semi-auto shotgun is just what the Dr. ordered for hunting birds like Quail, etc., in the thick brush then why should I argue. Besides longer barrels are easier on your ears. :-D Lawdog

Moose-Hunter · « **Reply #17 on:** January 28, 2005, 02:49:58 PM »

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I never found long barrels to be a problem up here.

I don't know where "up here" is... Western Pen? Kenai? Interior? Prince of Wales?

All I know is this... talking about needing a 26" for long shots is foolish.

First, I hope by long shots that means atmost 300 yards?

Second, why build a rifle for that 1 shot in 100 that you'll be shooting 300 yards?

I don't think that I have ever had to shoot at anything past 180 yards with my 375s. Most shots have been well within 100 yards.

I'm from the Wasilla area (Mat-Su Valley, central AK), as stated in my profile and under my screen name.

I just can't recall where I found a 26" barrel to be troublesome on any of my hunts.

Zachary · « **Reply #18 on:** January 31, 2005, 05:35:46 PM »

I have a Winchester Classic Stainless in .375H&H and it has a 24" barrel, which I think is the perfect length. 26 would be kinda long, but 22" would be a little on the short side.

I can't imagine anything shorter than 22" - a significant amount of the velocity/energy would be lost. Then again, I can't imagine anything much longer than 24" because those thick barrels are kinda heavy and swinging that big boy would be hard to stop - kinda like a freight train.

Zachary

NYH1 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 09, 2005, 02:43:47 PM »

Whats the recoil like on an average weight rifle with a scope in 375 H&H ? How does it compare to a 12 ga. with slugs?

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 09, 2005, 04:24:14 PM »

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Whats the recoil like on an average weight rifle with a scope in 375 H&H ? How does it compare to a 12 ga. with slugs?

I would have to say about like a 3 inch slug.

Spyro Andes · « **Reply #21 on:** February 10, 2005, 10:12:42 AM »

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I've hunted the alders thickets of coastal Alaska(been going there for 30+ years) many times and never had a problem with my Weatherby rifles(all with 26" barrels).

Good deal, it seems that we are atleast on the same page. Quick question though, do you use a 26" barreled shotgun for home defense in close quarters?

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If a 26" barrel is good enough for hunting the brush of Africa and a 26" barrel on a semi-auto shotgun is just what the Dr. ordered for hunting birds like Quail, etc., in the thick brush then why should I argue.

First, since we are talking 'traditional' brush shotguns, I don't think we should be looking at Semi-Autos. If you want to look at classic brush shotguns, you should be looking at the classic Side-by-Sides that are used for Grouse, Quail and Woodcock.

Lets take the Beretta 471, a classic straight stocked upland game shotgun, it weighs 6lbs and has either a 26" or 28" barrel.

That is the equivalant of a semi-auto w/ a 21"-23" barrel.

In fact, Remington introduced their Upland Special, with it's 23" barrel, to more closely resemble the feel of those side by sides.

As for Africa and longer barrels, look closely at how many of those rifles are setup and designed to carried.

Most of the classic african bolt rifles used barrel bands for the front attachment point of the sling. It effectively lowers the slung rifle up to 6" in some cases.

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Besides longer barrels are easier on your ears. :-D Lawdog

I'll let you keep that one... Noise

It is just about the only true advantage to a longer barrel, albeit not much, because the velocity loss is minimal, the effective range isn't effected, it kills just as well and it is handier.

Although, frankly, I am at a loss for words seeing a Weatherby guy citing "quietness" or a rifle being an advantage. Most of the loudest rifles on the planet are Weatherbys.

Lawdog · « **Reply #22 on:** February 10, 2005, 12:26:46 PM »

Spyro,

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Quick question though, do you use a 26" barreled shotgun for home defense in close quarters?

No, I use Win. 1300 Defenders in both 12 and 20 ga. but I also don't hunt with them.

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First, since we are talking 'traditional' brush shotguns, I don't think we should be looking at Semi-Autos.

Who's talking "traditional"? I'm talking about what hunters today are using and many of them use semi-auto's, like my favorite Browning Auto 5 that has a 26" barrel.

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As for Africa and longer barrels, look closely at how many of those rifles are setup and designed to carried.

You mean like my Ruger M77' in .416 & .450 Rigby that have 24 and 25 inch barrels? Or all of my Weatherby's that have 26 and 28 inch barrels?

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Although, frankly, I am at a loss for words seeing a Weatherby guy citing "quietness" or a rifle being an advantage. Most of the loudest rifles on the planet are Weatherbys.

So true. Can you imagain just how loud they would be with barrels 20 to 22 inches in length? You want loud try a ported .45-70 Guide Gun. That will leave you with a headache even using protection. Lawdog

Spyro Andes · « **Reply #23 on:** February 10, 2005, 03:12:07 PM »

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First, since we are talking 'traditional' brush shotguns, I don't think we should be looking at Semi-Autos.

Who's talking "traditional"? I'm talking about what hunters today are using and many of them use semi-auto's, like my favorite Browning Auto 5 that has a 26" barrel.

I am talking functional. When talking about function or purpose, it is sometimes necessary to look at tradition. Seeing what something evolved from and why makes the picture that much clearer.

Semi-Auto Upland Game shotguns evolved from the classic doubles. The barrel lengths from those doubles is what carried over to the pumps and semi-auto. People tend to forget about receiver length differences.

But under your theory, that a semi-auto with a 26" barrel, is the perfect weapon for upland game... Those side by sides should have had 30" to 32" barrels so they would have the same overall lengths.

The overall length of the weapon is what is important, not the barrel length.

Look at dangerous game doubles...

a Searcy Double in 375 H&H has 24" barrels

a Merkel Double in 375 H&H has 25" barrels

a Chapuis Double in 470 NE has 24" barrels

For a bolt gun in 375 H&H to have the same overall length, because of the large disparity in action length, the barrel has to be in the 20" range.

I am more than willing to give up a little velocity, a 150 fps at most, to have a better handling rifle. Personally, for me, it is a no brainer.

The traditional african rifles and the traditional upland game shotguns have a couple of things in common...

Boith are short and handy...

Both are natural pointers...

Frankly, no offense mean but the American shooter's obsession with velocity that drives the 26" or 28" barrels on rifles.

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As for Africa and longer barrels, look closely at how many of those rifles are setup and designed to carried.

You mean like my Ruger M77' in .416 & .450 Rigby that have 24 and 25 inch barrels? Or all of my Weatherby's that have 26 and 28 inch barrels?

Do you have barrel bands on all of them them?

If you look at the early British bolt guns in 375 H&H, they still had the longer barrels but all of them had barrel bands.

I doubt that the original rifle in question... A remington 700 in 375 H&H, w/ a 26" barrel, has a barrel band sling mount.

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Can you imagain just how loud they would be with barrels 20 to 22 inches in length? You want loud try a ported .45-70 Guide Gun. That will leave you with a headache even using protection.

I guess we are never going to agree but my Question would be... Why the need for the Weatherby? Why the need for all the velocity?

Frankly, I'd never said that 378 Weatherby should have a 20" or 22" or even a 24" barrel.

However, considering bore vs. capacity, a 375 H&H at 20" or 22" or 24" makes sense. Actually, alot more sense than saddling it with a 26" barrel for maybe a 20 FPS velocity gain over a 24" barrel.

As for the Guide Gun, the unported ones are nice.

If you think those were extremely loud, you have never been around a braked 30-378 Wby or even just a braked 378 Wby.

AkRvrrat · « **Reply #24 on:** February 10, 2005, 04:57:50 PM »

I believe this thread started out on a likeable topic of the REM .375H&H coming back of which is news to me cause I did not know that Rem had it off the board and then in comparison to the .375 RUM. First off I am surprised that even the Weatherbies made it this far - frankly. Holland and Holland reputation will sustain itself into the unknown and I hope as well, the RUM's will to. Hate to see such a fine cartridge like a .404 case, irregardless of the obvious dislike of so many forum members go down. When one talks of recoil and thinks it is too much then they ought to use something else to their liking but on general the world of shooters should realize the potential of any of the RUM cases and defend it. Suppose I should buy a thousand rounds of brass if this is gonna be taken off the market- but NOT! I for one love this round (.375 RUM) and seriously hope it survives. As for the barrel length we all know that the longer the tube, the better the burn. I have cussed out long barrels in the alders and then on the flip have been awed at their reach. I like as well a short 18 " on a carbine irregardless of the caliber and find that to be very handi. Interesting though is the discussion on the belted vs. the Jeffery case.

Omaha-BeenGlockin · « **Reply #25 on:** February 11, 2005, 04:37:27 AM »

If they would have gave up the same specs as the .300 Win----.338Win---and .375 H&H-----WITHOUT THE BELT----they would be selling like hotcakes because that would have fixed the biggest complaint about those cartridges.

Instead we got some uber super loudenboomers that nobody wants to pull the trigger on.

As for another Remington rifle :roll: ----whatever----just another nasty Remington foisted upon the buying public.

AkRvrrat · « **Reply #26 on:** February 11, 2005, 05:58:29 AM »

C'mon you have to own at least one Reminton

Furthermore these loudenboomers been around since the d##n blunderpuss of days gone by. I seriously believe you need to address the thought of large calibers and how they either paved the way or in many instance saved countless of lives! I also see the trend is back with the love of the .375 who knows how far this will go. Sure all the big animals are mounted on everybodies wall and then to the dump - what a shame but the need for the super guns will always be in demand. I believe that the need of a belt at one time was understandable but now that they have improved it with the .404 - WHY the BELT! I see you're distaste for what? You may want to stick to short guns like the Glock and let us walk where we want to and use them to either protect or harvest what is necessary as we see fit.

Omaha-BeenGlockin · « **Reply #27 on:** February 11, 2005, 06:55:18 AM »

I do own one Remington-----but its not a rifle------its a 870 Youth Express Syn----that I decked out for HD purposes-----that said---if Benelli would have offered a Youth Nova that was just as small----I would have bought that instead.

I do own magnums too---a .338 and a .375------but the Ultra mags are too much of a good thing----that's why they are already obsolete-----again if they would have offered the same specs as the old cartridges----without the belt------they would have been draggin big fat money bags to the bank-----but alas poor Remington shoots itself in the foot ---again.

I also hear that their nasty J-lock scheme is going away for 2005-------The J-lock was another toe shot off by them----you just wonder how long they can keep on standing with so many mistakes being made.

AkRvrrat · « **Reply #28 on:** February 11, 2005, 09:19:21 AM »

mmmmhh! I see your point. Your absolutely correct on that lock - I do not care for that. I have 2 .338's one is a pre-64 mod 70 .338 and the other is a 1961 Sako and ONE Remington 300. Like them all especially the ole Winny and as I too of said as soon as I realize the efficency of the new case I had to have one. Suppose I should buy a heck of alot of brass before it gets difficult to find. I have not had any problems with that lock and are other Rem users with the (censored word) lock having any problems in the field? If so - time for me to reconsider. let me know.
thanks. ----might want to buy a wthby. :eek:
Tim

Lawdog · « **Reply #29 on:** February 11, 2005, 11:22:22 AM »

Spyro Andes,

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Do you have barrel bands on all of them them?

In the Weatherby's only the .375 and .378 have barrel bands. Both of the Ruger's have barrel bands.

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Question would be... Why the need for the Weatherby? Why the need for all the velocity?

I got my first Weatherby rifle(a Mark V Deluxe in .300 Weatherby Magnum) at the age of 16. Won it in a Big Buck Derby(1st. prize). Ever since then I have had a thing for the workmanship, beauty and quality of Weatherby products. Been collecting them ever since. In my opinion, they are the very best mass produced factory firearms being made today. As for the NEED for the velocity the areas I prefer to hunt and the method I hunt lends itself to cartridges of higher velocity. Shots can range from point blank to as far away as you are capable of shooting. The flatter trajectory of the magnums gives one a decided edge over standard cartridges. Less usage of Kentucky Windage & Elevation.

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Actually, alot more sense than saddling it with a 26" barrel for maybe a 20 FPS velocity gain over a 24" barrel.

Actually it's more like 35 fps. per inch for the .375 H&H.

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If you think those were extremely loud, you have never been around a braked 30-378 Wby or even just a braked 378 Wby.

Yeah I have. More times than I like. That is one reason you'll NEVER find a braked Weatherby in my collection. Lawdog