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Offline Justice Trimble

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Taking BC on an Elk Hunt????
« on: January 23, 2005, 02:28:42 PM »
:grin: Hello again guys,

I'm in the planning stages of one of those "once in a lifetime" Elk Hunts.  I'm thinking of taking my newly acquired Buffalo Classic on the hunt to take the "big bull".  I'm looking for your suggestions for a good load and your comments on whether you think I'll be laughed out of the camp when I draw out that long barreled cannon and the other hunters see it? Or do you think it'll "fit right in"?  Let me know.  You guys are the greatest.  I really enjoy this sight.  

Thanks for your time!!

J.T.

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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2005, 02:35:13 PM »
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Where you goin for your elk hunt?

What load do you want to develope for this hunt a 405-gr smokeless, 500-gr smokeless or a black powder load using one of those two bullet weights.

Let them laugh... you'll be laughing when you bag one  :D

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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2005, 02:46:50 PM »
Well, I haven't started reloading yet and was thinking I'd pick a really good factory or specialty load from either PMC or Buffalo Bore or one of the others.  As for where, I was thinking either Colorado or New Mexico.  I haven't set it up with a service yet and am still looking into all the things I need to take care of.  I talked to one guide in Western Colorado.  He books about two years out and asks about $3500 for a hunt.  He says he can put on some really big bulls.  I'm not sure how much of that is bull and how much of it is the truth.  So, I'm still searching for a good guide service and a decent price.  Maybe some of the guys on here can suggest one or two for me to take a look at.

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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2005, 05:30:11 PM »
Justice,
I've never used a guide but have always read it's best to ask for several references so you can tell for yourself.  He shouldn't hesitate. If he does, I'd back away from him.

As for the gun, just make sure YOU are comfy with it and don't worry about what they think.  I went last year with a 30-06 bolt.  This year if I get the chance, I'm going with a model '94 Big Bore 375 Win.

The PMC loads should be plenty, just make sure your rifle likes them, or load your own.  use the marlin levergun tables for stout elk loads.
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2005, 07:36:33 PM »
Quote from: Justice Trimble
:grin: Hello again guys,

I'm in the planning stages of one of those "once in a lifetime" Elk Hunts.  

Let me know.  You guys are the greatest.  I really enjoy this sight.  

Thanks for your time!!

J.T.


J.T.

If this really is a 'once in a lifetime' hunt, your first one and maybe the last, use something with some better 'reach' so you can take something decent at a greater distance.    I'd go with a .270 , .280 , or .30-06.    

Why?     Because you don't have a 'trophy' elk under your belt yet, apparently, so why gamble an opportunity like this?      No, I'm not talking about a 'book' elk, just one that is a trophy to you!     If you've already got one hell of a wall-hanger at home...... then try it again...... with a .45-70 or even a muzzleloader or handgun........but not on your first, last, and only hunt :shock: .     You're handicapping yourself too much.     If you miss a good/golden opportunity on this one-time hunt you'll kick yourself for not using a caliber that will reach out and touch someone!      I guess what I'm saying is: once you've got a personal 'trophy' at home, something that might even be an heirloom, you'll be glad you have more than just a memory of a near-miss with a short-range weapon.    

Good hunting to you,

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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2005, 06:05:33 AM »
Perhaps I'm taking a different view of what I'd call a "dream hunt;" to me, it includes not only getting the animal, but the means by which I did it. I used to go archery hunting in CO for big game; my old compound bow is no match for a .45-70, so in the same situation in a once in a lifetime hunt I'd feel perfectly comfortable with that rifle.

Depending on your abilities, I would bring both the .45-70 and perhaps .30-06 or something similar. I'd use the .45-70 first, and if I found it difficult or impossible to get within range of my capabilities with that rifle (and that's the key), I'd take the '06 next, because I know I can hit with it out to 400yds. But like I said, find out what the rifle is capable of in your hands. Spend some time with it, and once you know your limitations, inform whomever is acting as a local guide what you'd like to do and what your abilities are with that rifle, and ask them just how do-able it would be.

I think they'd be happier taking someone with a shorter-range big bore who knows how to handle it than someone with a 600-yard .3XX-Whatever-Mag who can't shoot worth beans because they've never fired it or practiced with it. Myself, I don't worry about my choice of weapon regarding how someone else may feel about it; I use a single-shot because one shot is usually all I ever need... 8)

Whatever you choose, good luck on your hunt!
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2005, 01:11:47 PM »
I think the BC would drop an elk out a lot farther than you guys are thinking, It is by no means a short range only rifle. 8)
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2005, 04:15:03 PM »
How far you will have to shoot will depend on how you decide to hunt.  I hunt elk in the timber and have never shot one over 130 yards.  Most have been 50 or less.  If your outfitter can't hunt that way then take a back up for longer shots.  Most western colorado elk outfitters are taking you out on private land or lower elevation public land.  they like to keep their clients on top of a horse as much as possible so make sure you find one who will spend the day still hunting the thick stuff if you want to shoot the 45-70.  Myself, I'd not bother with a back up and just go it alone to the tune of saving thousands.  Every year I have several camps near mine that are high dollar outfitters whose clients are hunting the same country I am and some years I drive to my camp in my Buick Roadmonster :shock:

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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2005, 08:51:42 PM »
Quote from: Badnews Bob
I think the BC would drop an elk out a lot farther than you guys are thinking, It is by no means a short range only rifle. 8)


I agree with that Bob, but it still may not be enough on THIS hunt; and it may lead to a missed shot at a longer range.....where a flatter shooting caliber would make the shot easier.     I can't help thinking that I'd want one good-quality, personal trophy already up in my home before handicapping myself with a trajectory like the .45-70 develops.    

Take care,

SS'    

ps: once I got that first wall-hanger, I'd really like to get one with a single-action Ruger in .44 mag'!!!
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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2005, 08:24:59 AM »
The 45-70 is capable of very long range shooting. They would take an elk out as far as you could see one. However and this is a big However, that kind of shooting with a 45-70 takes a lot of practice and testing and adjusting and readjusting. If you have the time and talent to do this and when all is said and done, you can place a shot in an area the size of the vitals area of an elk then you need not worry about the gun doing the job. OR, if you can limit your shots to whatever range you are capable of placing a shot well, then go for it. My dream is to take an elk with my buffalo classic with a good black powder load. At my age though time is getting short. :(
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2005, 08:08:06 PM »
I'd love to see that gun in my elk camp!  Bring lot's of ammo so everyone can try it out!  However, you'll want two guns along anyway (backup) so take a long range gun ('06) just in case the elk are not cooperating.  They usually try NOT to cooperate no matter what you're shooting!  Good luck.

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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2005, 08:35:29 PM »
Welcome to GBO, Pine!  :D
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2005, 02:17:46 AM »
Pine.  Welcome and thats a good Idea. A back-up gun can save a hunt when the unexpected happens which we all know happens more than we expect. :grin:
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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2005, 04:37:33 AM »
Justice,
You've gotten some good advice here, hopefully the elk cooperate and the BC is successful.

On my next trip I plan on using my 375 Winchester as my main rifle, but I too, will have an '06 in the car as a backup gun.  I plan on using it ONLY if the Winchester fails.

Also being an archer, I figure if guys can get them with a bow, I should be able to get with the "short range" of my chosen rifle.  Just for the record, I figure my max range will be 200yds or less.  A 250gr slug at 2200fps has it's limits.

If you become interested in really pushing that cannon, I pushed loads of 2000 fps from my BC with 400gr Speer's.  But they do pack a whallop at the shoulder.
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2005, 10:18:04 AM »
The 45-70 is definitely capable, if you can get within range.  There in lies the problem.  I shot a young Moose about the size of a good Elk, many years ago with an old 45-70 Trapdoor Springfield.  There was seven of us young GIs just out walking in the woods exploring, I was the only one carrying any thing bigger than a .22RF.  This young Bull was across a slough. general consenses was 350 yards away.  I set the sights at 500 yards and took the shot.  I held low, right in the heart lung area.  We heard the bullet strike, a solid thump.  The Moose took off running.  We worked our way around the slough and hit his track. This took over an hour so we felt it was time to start tracking.   A little blood at first, then it gave out.  We lost his track several times, so we spread out and searched till we located it again.  It took four hours, to locate him and he had gone about one and a half miles from the location where we had shot him.   I had hit him a little high, but it only took out one lung.  In other words after going through that thick hide and a rib, it only penetrated one lung and stopped.  I was shooting factory ammo, of the mild type, the only thing that old trapdoor would shoot.  
 
My opinion is if you can get to within 200 yards the 45-70 would do the job.  Any farther and I would want something a little flatter shooting, and a little faster.  A suggestion, have a 30-06 barrel fitted to your BC.  Then you always have backup if the ranges are too far.  But the most important thing is practice, practice, practice.  Few people do it enough.  Know where your gun is hitting at every 50 yards, all the way out to 400 yards.  I've seen people miss an easy behind the ear shot at 50/60 yards by shooting over it.
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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2005, 10:51:13 AM »
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A back-up gun can save a hunt when the unexpected happens which we all know happens more than we expect


"A" backup!!  Only One :eek:

Lessee, last elk hunt I packed along;  1 Mosin 91/30, 1 K31 Swiss rifle, 1 30-30 Handi, 1 Savage 7-08, 1 Tikka .223, 1 1885 Win 45-70 and 1 H&R topper 12 Gauge. :shock:

So, Pine, are you in Pine or Pine Jct or ?

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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2005, 06:47:20 PM »
Thanks for the welcome everyone.  I've been reading for awhile - even back to when it was on the H&R site but had to add to the elk thread - first post - elk are my passion.  Bought a 308 Ultra for my 13yr son for his first elk hunt last year and got the handi-bug.  They are cool!  First ever was a SB1 youth 20ga for the same son (pheasants) a few years back but the drought out here hasnt allowed much upland.  I got hooked after carrying the Handi for about 2000 vertical feet last fall - swapped my Model 700 7mm with my son for the climb (silly kid).  I wont be going back and we'll both be doing the 'handi' this year!  A .280 Handi is in my sights.  

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