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Brownells Gun Kote or Baking Laquer Questions
« on: January 24, 2005, 03:57:19 AM »
Has anyone ever used one of these or a simular spray type product to refinish a weapon??  I have a few old pistols that are of no monetary value so to speak, but I do tote them on outings.  I would like to pretty them up a bit. What is the best route to pursue??

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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2005, 08:47:00 AM »
I recently tried a project with Brownell's Baking Laquer.  I did a lot of research on the net first, then gave it a shot.  IT SUCKS!  DO NOT USE IT!  It looks tuff at first, but it scratches and flakes pretty easily.  

It costs about $11 per can, but shipping is another $8 if that's all you order.  The ad says just prep and spray any metal surface.  But the back of the can says best if used on bead blasted or parkerized surface.  

The rifle was a 98/22 Czech Mauser in 8mm.  I sanded all surfaces with 300 grit paper, then warmed everything in the oven to bake out any oil.  Then I sanded to 400 grit followed by 00 steel wool.  I degreased with brake cleaner, then acetone.  Twice, very thouroghly.  Wore gloves.  

Warmed the small parts first, then sprayed 3 coats of flat black.  I was having some problems with fish-eyes from silicone maybe?  I had to put 4-5 coats on some larger areas because of this.  Baked according to directions.  Let it cool while I did the barreled action the same way.  

The finish looks awesome!  But it scratches pretty easily.  Once there is a scratch, the rest flakes very easily.  Just lightly dragging an empty shell over the finish is enough to ruin it.  There's no way this stuff will hold up for a few years without looking crappy.  Also, some metal parts held the finish pretty well, while other parts made of different metal easily flaked with fingernail pressure.  Like the rear sight and ramp for example.  

I stripped it off with commercial paint stripper.  I would never use Brownell's Baking Laquer on a gun.  Perhaps a parkerized finish will hold it better without flaking, but don't use it on a regular blued gun.  But why ruin a nice parkerized job?  Rustolium would probably be a better choice over this stuff. :evil:

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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2005, 09:20:37 AM »
Thanks stiff neck.  I am kinda dubious about a 15.00 can of stuff that promises miracles!!
Still researchin!!

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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2005, 01:15:56 PM »
I did my Savage with rustoleum.  Primerd first then flat black.  haven't had a chance to test it for durability, but read of quite a few others tht had with good results.
I made an article and called it Home Brewed Parkerizing, probably not as durable as the original, but not as expensive either.
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2005, 02:20:47 PM »
Here is a product that is supposed to be the cats meow.

http://207.44.229.182/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=gk
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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2005, 03:30:31 PM »
I'm pretty sure that's the same stuff as Brownell's Gun Kote.  The only difference is Brownell's sells it in an aerosol can instead of a 1 pint jar.  

Also, you have to apply it a parkerized finish for best results.  Why bother parkerizing your rifle for $$$, then spray stuff on it and bake it in your oven?  If you're gonna go thru all that trouble, surely there's a better solution.

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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2005, 04:03:20 PM »
Looking at Brownells catalog it appears that the gun kote and baking lacquer are two different things.  Fred's post seems to be the same as the Brownell Gun Kote given that brownell advertises it as a KG Product

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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2005, 04:19:55 PM »
Yes, the laquer and the Gun Kote are different products.  What I meant was that the Brownell's Aerosol Gun Kote and regular Gun Kote are the same thing.

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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2005, 04:34:49 PM »
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Yes, the laquer and the Gun Kote are different products. What I meant was that the Brownell's Aerosol Gun Kote and regular Gun Kote are the same thing.


Ok, I see now.  Wonder if the Gun Kote would work any better than the lacquer?

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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2005, 05:05:21 PM »
My partner and I ordered some of the stuff from Brownells that comes in the little cans.  We cleaned the parts well, sprayed it on, then baked it very carefully.  We followed the directions to the letter.  What a mistake we made.  That stuff scratches so easily, chips off, and blows off unevenly around the crown when the gun is fired.  I won't use it again.
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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2005, 05:13:08 PM »
Gun Kote has been used by some of the smaller manufacturers, and has a pretty good reputation when properly applied.

The rub is "properly applied". That seems to mean sandblasted, absolutely grease free, and baked at the right temperature. It ain't nowhere near as quick and easy as the ads would have you think.
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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2005, 05:52:09 PM »
I heard about KG  product hat  looks like blueing from an outfitter in Australia he send me an e-mail and told me is was really good and his guns were getting a lot of wear and tear in the bush.

He never indicated that he had any trouble putting it on. I was thinking of giving it a try on that 257 Roberts, which we blued with a cold blue paste. that looks pretty good but it is not very deep.
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2005, 06:02:29 PM »
Fred,
I am surprised that you don't go for the old fashioned rust blueing.  Now there is a durable finish.  Time consuming yes, but all in all a fine finish.
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2005, 06:05:47 PM »
I'll be doing a Mauser with the DuraCoat coatings from Lauer Custom pretty soon (ordering from Midway).  Whenever I finish I'll be sure and post my results.

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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2005, 06:44:01 PM »
Donaldo.
You read my mind, yes that makes a nice job. I used to have a tank that I used on the kitchen stove to boil the water. I only did it once, because my wife threatened to throw all my stuff in the garbage, or quit cooking.  But in the summer it could be done in the garage.

You have to be really nuts to do it, or at least hard up for something to do.
We have a guy in town that does hot blueing but he it totally unreliable.
The cold blue cream is a pretty good alternate.
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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2005, 03:28:09 AM »
Thanks guys.  As of now I am in a holding pattern until I do more research.  MG, please let us know about the DuraKote!!!!
The old oxpho blue does a pretty fair job as a cold blue!
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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2005, 04:38:17 AM »
I bought an aerosol can of Brownells Aluma-Hyde II in satin black to coat a barrel. It is an epoxy based coating, claims that it is very durable and can be applied to steel.  I planned to coat a Huntsman barrel with it.  Has anybody tried this product?
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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2005, 08:51:59 AM »
KG Gunkote or Duracoat are both great products. The key, as stated above, is in the prep. Both products need the metal to be blasted prior to finishing to work good. Neither REQUIRE parkerizing first, but it greatly adds to durability. I could be wrong, but I think KG offers a spray-on phosphate finish similar to park that can be applied first. KG requires the parts to be pre-heated before applying and then baked at high temps. Duracoat does not require baking at all, may be easier for you....don't have to sneak and use wife's oven! :wink:
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Edited to add:  Both products allow handling the next day, even assembly if careful, but really reach their maximum durability after approx 30 day cure(even when baked). Hope this helps!
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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2005, 02:23:19 PM »
I used the Brownells Gunkote on a mauser project and have been real pleased with it.  I used the stainless color in a spray can and it looks like beaded stainless.  I did follow the directions to the T.  I had access to a glass beader and blasted everything.  So far it has been as durable as you could ask for.  The finish on the bolt is showing a little wear but I figure that can be expected.  I wouldn't hesitate to use this on another gun.  Hope this helps.

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