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french · « **on:** January 24, 2005, 11:21:57 AM »

what do you guys think i should get in 22 mag a rem 597 or 10/22? what model and what ammo and how much is this gun. i will mainly use it for groundhogs, crows, a few squirells, and a coyote once and a while. i will appreciate your oppinions thanks

jh45gun · « **Reply #1 on:** January 24, 2005, 07:17:32 PM »

Neither I would buy if I wanted a semi auto a BRNO ZKM 611 22mag more expensive list price than the Remington but cheaper than the Ruger in my 2005 gun digest and with the reputation of Czech gun I would bet a better shooter than either the Rem or the Ruger. You would have to contact a dealer to see what they cost as the gun digest books only show list price and you can get them at gun shops cheaper than that. The ruger listed for 499 and this one listed for around 470 but like I said that is list I am sure the gun shops sell them for a lot less. Jim

quickdtoo · « **Reply #2 on:** January 24, 2005, 07:42:52 PM »

Neither, I'd opt for an HK 300 if I could find one, if it's good enough for Tom Knapp, it's good enough for me! Quite a bit more spendy, though....$500-$600 if you're lucky.

http://www.hkpro.com/hk300.htm

And welcome to GBO!!

armory414 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 25, 2005, 06:14:50 AM »

499 for Ruger 10/22 mag must be MSRP--Wally World has them for under 400!!!

jh45gun · « **Reply #4 on:** January 25, 2005, 10:12:23 AM »

Quote from: armory414

499 for Ruger 10/22 mag must be MSRP--Wally World has them for under 400!!!

Yea and for what you are getting IMHO still is not worth the money!

Lawdog · « **Reply #5 on:** January 25, 2005, 11:51:41 AM »

Of the two you mentioned, the Remington M597 or Ruger 10/22M, I would go with the Ruger every time. Just a much stronger rifle with more options that the Remington. Have heard way too many complaints about the Remington to trust them. Lawdog

jh45gun · « **Reply #6 on:** January 25, 2005, 07:41:50 PM »

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Of the two you mentioned, the Remington M597 or Ruger 10/22M, I would go with the Ruger every time. Just a much stronger rifle with more options that the Remington. Have heard way too many complaints about the Remington to trust them. Lawdog

Well Lawdog that is why I posted a third choice with the BRNO as if I had a nickle for every complaint I ever heard about Rugers I could buy one of those BRNO. After having Rugers for over 30 years off and on I do not own any at this time and really do not miss them. If I bought a other single action you can bet it would be a Italian Clone.

Weatherby223 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 28, 2005, 11:34:21 AM »

BRNO hands down :grin: ! I liked my little Ruger semi but i love the European feel/looks in the BRNO. I have been shooting BRNO"S for years and love them. Never had a problem and they shoot great straight out of the box unlike the Ruger which has a spring in the trigger straight out of the rear end of a F150 :eek:

Lawdog · « **Reply #8 on:** January 28, 2005, 12:06:52 PM »

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Of the two you mentioned, the Remington M597 or Ruger 10/22M, I would go with the Ruger every time. Just a much stronger rifle with more options that the Remington. Have heard way too many complaints about the Remington to trust them. Lawdog

Well Lawdog that is why I posted a third choice with the BRNO as if I had a nickle for every complaint I ever heard about Rugers I could buy one of those BRNO. After having Rugers for over 30 years off and on I do not own any at this time and really do not miss them. If I bought a other single action you can bet it would be a Italian Clone.

I bought 5 Ruger 10/22's for my family and all would shoot under an inch @ 50 yards out of the box. With a little custom work, easily done without a gunsmith, they shot even better. Besides I prefer American made products. Lawdog

jh45gun · « **Reply #9 on:** January 28, 2005, 03:12:37 PM »

Well Lawdog, If you got 5 stock ones that shot that good I congratulate you because they all do not shoot that well and I have seen too many post saying the same of average accuracy and seen to many range sessions at the range with others shooting average results. If all Rugers shot that good why did they go for the effort of the Target model besides the fact they could really over price a 150 dollar gun? The 10/22 is not a bad gun but it sure is not the gun every one that likes them say it is. I used to think so too until I shot other guns and saw how they will shoot. As I also said if every 10/22 shot under a inch at 50 yards there would not be the accuracy accessories for sale on the market today as folks would not need them now would they? Jim

tbmaker · « **Reply #10 on:** January 28, 2005, 04:56:36 PM »

"If all Rugers shot that good why did they go for the effort of the Target model besides the fact they could really over price a 150 "

Who doesn't make a target model??

"they all do not shoot that well and I have seen too many post saying the same of average accuracy and seen to many range sessions at the range with "

Ever consider they're average shooters??

"the accuracy accessories for sale on the market today as folks would not need them now would they? Jim"

Ruger designed something easy to tinker with, what gun nut doesn't tinker then sell the modifications?

I own/owned 5 10/22's since 1980 and have turned numerous friends onto Rugers. Not one complaint from anyone. Nor the dozens I sold while working in the gun shop.

Everyone likes different styles for personal reasons but you won't go wrong with a Ruger.

jh45gun · « **Reply #11 on:** January 28, 2005, 06:25:10 PM »

tbmaker, WEll I will disagree as I know of lots of Rugers that were not up to snuff and if you really have worked in a gun shop you have seen them too! If you have not then you had to have been turning a blind eye. I have seen them come into the local gun shop while standing there swapping tales with the guys who work there or at the gunsmith I know! I did make the comment not all Rugers are bad and that is true but your statement you cannot go wrong with a Ruger is the biggest tall tale I have heard in ages and what a blanket statement as any gun co can put out a clunker now and then. I just happen to feel Rugers average on that account is on the plus side more than the minus side. I have read too many articles of the gun writers sending in Ruger single actions to get accuracy jobs and getting slicked up before they were shootable. Seems to me you should not have to do that to a new gun or add on a bunch of aftermarket parts to a semi auto 22 to make it shoot good. On the scale of bad to good I would call most Rugers AVERAGE with some very good. It all depends on the luck of the draw I suppose and I have had good ones and bad ones. It was the bad ones that turned me off of them. As far as average shots go My brother bought a Ruger 357 that shot for crap. Was he a average pistol shot? I doubt it he was on the WI Law Enforcement Pistol Team for Years and used to help the FBI demonstrate AUTO weapons. While not the pistol shot my brother is and probably not the rifle shot either I feel I can hold my own. I personally have had 3 Ruger pistols that shot for crap one semi auto Mark I and 2 single actions. I also had a Mark II Gov and a couple of single actions that shot good I never should have gotten rid of them but did and now I feel I do not want to take a chance on buying one again and getting a clunker. AS far as my rifle shooting goes I feel I am above average and shoot a lot. My Romanian 69 and My Henry 22 mag both shoot better than any stock ruger 10/22 I have had. I have had the local gun shop post some of my targets so they could not have been too darn bad. Every one is entitled to their opinions here and this is mine. For those who like Rugers they are entitled to theirs not a problem but I will add the other side of the story. Jim

jh45gun · « **Reply #12 on:** January 28, 2005, 09:22:56 PM »

Quote from: Lawdog

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Quote from: Lawdog
Of the two you mentioned, the Remington M597 or Ruger 10/22M, I would go with the Ruger every time. Just a much stronger rifle with more options that the Remington. Have heard way too many complaints about the Remington to trust them. Lawdog

Well Lawdog that is why I posted a third choice with the BRNO as if I had a nickle for every complaint I ever heard about Rugers I could buy one of those BRNO. After having Rugers for over 30 years off and on I do not own any at this time and really do not miss them. If I bought a other single action you can bet it would be a Italian Clone.

I bought 5 Ruger 10/22's for my family and all would shoot under an inch @ 50 yards out of the box. With a little custom work, easily done without a gunsmith, they shot even better. Besides I prefer American made products. Lawdog

I hate to say it Lawdog but you are a bit misleading as I saw this at the Ruger site you posted this: I have 5 10/22's(one for every member of my family) and 2 77/22's and all have 20 inch heavy target barrels from Green mountain on them except for one 10/22(mine) and my 77/22 magnum. Both of them wear 22 inch running boar barrels from Green Mountain. As stated the extended magazine release is a good investment along with a good stock made for man sized shooters. If you like synthetic stocks then the Hogue is a excellent pick but for us wood lovers try the stocks from Royal Arms(these are on all of my 10/22's). I love to make a great rimfire even better with after market parts and the best part is how easy they are to work on. Go to http://www.outdoorguides.com/outdoor/rug1022.htm and check out what they have to offer. Lawdog

Of course with aftermarket GM barrels they will shoot under a inch but your first post had me and others led to believe they were factory guns. :|

Lawdog · « **Reply #13 on:** January 29, 2005, 11:19:04 AM »

jh45gun,

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I hate to say it Lawdog but you are a bit misleading as I saw this at the Ruger site you posted this: I have 5 10/22's(one for every member of my family) and 2 77/22's and all have 20 inch heavy target barrels from Green mountain on them except for one 10/22(mine) and my 77/22 magnum. Both of them wear 22 inch running boar barrels from Green Mountain. As stated the extended magazine release is a good investment along with a good stock made for man sized shooters. If you like synthetic stocks then the Hogue is a excellent pick but for us wood lovers try the stocks from Royal Arms(these are on all of my 10/22's). I love to make a great rimfire even better with after market parts and the best part is how easy they are to work on. Go to http://www.outdoorguides.com/outdoor/rug1022.htm and check out what they have to offer. Lawdog

Of course with aftermarket GM barrels they will shoot under a inch but your first post had me and others led to believe they were factory guns.

That is right but remember where I said;

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With a little custom work, easily done without a gunsmith, they shot even better.

that's because that is what I did, to each one of them. The one thing I don't like about the standard Ruger 10/22 is that short barrel and will get rid of it every time. In my personal opinion any barrel on any .22 rimfire(lr or mag.) should be at least 20"(22" is better). The reason I restocked them is I have a pull length of 14 7/8" which makes most factory stocks to short for me(and my son). Wouldn't you restock a rifle if it didn't fit you?

I still say the Ruger 10/22 action is stronger than most others and the reason is when CCI first brought out their Stinger .22 lr ammo there were a number of semi-autos reporting breakage except for the Ruger 10/22. NO such reports for them. This was wrote up in a number of magazines during that time period. Now I realize that these other companies have changed but the 10/22 goes on. You may not like the 10/22 and that is fine(your opinion) but I too have recommended the 10/22 to many others and never a complaint. they are about the most seen semi-autos at ranges today and I have never heard any of the shooters complaining either. With the number of 10/22s made and sold there has got to be a few lemons but the vast majority are fine weapons well worth the money. Lawdog

jh45gun · « **Reply #14 on:** January 29, 2005, 11:30:58 AM »

LAwdog my issue is not of their strengh or their function on that they work fine. I do have issues with accuracy as I have long felt a Marlin Semi is more accurate out of the box and that evidently folks want more accuracy out of them or their would not be the large cottage industry today to make them more accurate. I stand behind those comments. My other issue with Ruger is they Cylinder and throating problems in their single actions. For what you pay for them they are not very consistant and lots of folks have had to have accuracy jobs done on them. I am not faulting you for doing what ever you want to do with your guns. When I say they are inaccurate though I do not want to some one to tell me their 5 guns shoot under a inch from the box and then I find out they have excellent Premium GM barrels on them. That to me is misleading. Its not worth argueing about though you got your opinions I got mine. I do applaud you for your good taste in Green Mountain Barrels. They make excellent barrels. Jim

Keith L · « **Reply #15 on:** January 29, 2005, 11:58:38 AM »

The Marlin .22 I had was jam city. I never got it reliable. It was never particularly accurate. My 10/22 on the other hand has never jammed, and with the addition of all the neat parts avaialble is a tack driver.

I didn't have much use for either out of the box. The Marlin was what it was. The 10/22 was a starting point.

The most reliable accurate box stock autoloader I have ever used I still have. My dad bought it in the late 1950s. It is still reliable and a good shooter. It is a Nylon 66 Remington. I will never part with that one!

jh45gun · « **Reply #16 on:** January 29, 2005, 12:23:40 PM »

Yep them nylon 66's have a cult following. I think Remington should have brought them back instead of trying to improve them with a couple of new models and failing. I am glad to hear you say they are a starting point because my attitude is they should not be they should be good right out of the box not a starting point. I am not saying the Marlin semi is the most perfect either but from what I have heard on the web most that have had both figure the Marlin was more accurate. After shooting a good bolt gun I am not sure I would want a other semi auto I am interested in accuracy more than spray and pray and my bolt action trainer shoots as good as any rifle I have ever shot and better than some. I would like to try one of the Mossberg trainers some day If I could find one reasonable. Jim

jh45gun · « **Reply #17 on:** February 04, 2005, 10:39:04 AM »

French I had thought Marlin made a semi in 22 mag and they did I saw one today at the local gun shop used with 2 extra mags for 279.00 Gun looked in great shape. The guy at the gunshop said yea they discontinued them he said Marlin does not keep a gun long if it is not a big seller. I suppose there cheaper bolt guns in 22 mag outsold it. SO if you are still considering a Marlin they are out there used. jim

Phil in Alabama · « **Reply #18 on:** February 06, 2005, 04:37:42 PM »

Since I dislike semiautos, I won't recommend either, I would personally choose a bolt action, and for a reasonably priced but well made rifle, I would look for a CZ 452 American. I won't be purchasing any more Rugers of any type. I have personally owned one of their centerfire rifles, four rimfire rifles, and two rimfire pistols, and have two friends who owned several of the rimfire rifles and pistols and centerfire pistols. NONE of do any more, got rid of all of them.

jh45gun · « **Reply #19 on:** February 07, 2005, 07:28:43 AM »

Quote from: Phil in Alabama

Since I dislike semiautos, I won't recommend either, I would personally choose a bolt action, and for a reasonably priced but well made rifle, I would look for a CZ 452 American. I won't be purchasing any more Rugers of any type. I have personally owned one of their centerfire rifles, four rimfire rifles, and two rimfire pistols, and have two friends who owned several of the rimfire rifles and pistols and centerfire pistols. NONE of do any more, got rid of all of them.

Thanks Phil for your post! Glad to see that I am not the only one here with the same attitude.

I have come to the conclusion that there jsut are more accurate better choices out there. I am not bashing Bill Ruger he made a comeback for the single action back in the 50's same with the single shot rifle. He had some great ideas but I just feel that the quality control could be a lot better than what it used to be at the beginning of Ruger's earlier guns. Jim