There's one more that IZHMASH has in their sporter/hunting section its called "tigr" and its in 7.62x54 and i'm not sure if it will be imported with the saiga's or not but it sure looks interesting on the russian izhmash site. And so does all the other russian hunting rifles. If they import those i think the american market will do a complete 180 and it will have most american gun manufacturers on their heels looking for new jobs. While the new gun prices sure have come down recently some of them do have quality problems too and this is where the russian guns will gain popularity over time. I want the best quality, the most reliable, the most dependable gun for the best affordable price and the Russian Izhmash Saiga line proved it can be done. I'm going to fill my piggy bank and wait to see what the russians offer next lets face it their better than anything we manufacture here in the US in military or civilian guns. BigBill