Author Topic: New S&W 460 (Read 3669 times)

Zachary · « **on:** January 28, 2005, 10:53:20 AM »

So a short time after S&W introduced their 500, they just now came out with the 460 (I read it in Shooting Times I think).

The new 460 is dubbed "The fasted, and flattest shooting big bore handgun cartridge" or something like that.

Question - what do you guys think? How does it compare with the .454 Cassul? Do you think it will catch on?

Zachary

Dusty Miller · « **Reply #1 on:** January 28, 2005, 12:25:07 PM »

Its bound to catch on with some folks, whether it catches on enough to stay in their lineup is another question. I'm sorta sensing that those of us who've been in the big revolver game awhile sorta look at it with a skeptical eye.

palgeno · « **Reply #2 on:** January 28, 2005, 12:58:14 PM »

Yeah---skeptical---maybe because we have already bought bi, then bigger, then bigger yet----and I don't know about all y'all, but I probably don't even need my .454---at least for the hunting I've done so far----and why not just go with the heavier and slower crowd and use a 360 or heavier hardcast bullet in the .454?---a 200 gr bullet at 2000fps doesn't seem as useful to me. :eek: pg

BlkHawk73 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 28, 2005, 02:37:29 PM »

It'll appeal to the recoil junkines and those wanting to just have "big" to impress others. Kinda a Viagra for the ego in my opinion. Just don't see what void it fills. Besides, if you really need that much oomph as a hunting gun, use a rifle.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 28, 2005, 02:51:55 PM »

Quote from: BlkHawk73

It'll appeal to the recoil junkines and those wanting to just have "big" to impress others. Kinda a Viagra for the ego in my opinion. Just don't see what void it fills. Besides, if you really need that much oomph as a hunting gun, use a rifle.

I am glad it is your opinion only, I could care less what other think of why I like big bore guns. :twisted: I for one love big bore guns. I have a 44 MAG, 454 Casull, two 500 MAG's and I just put my order in for the S&W460. I do not buy big bore guns to impress anyone but myself. Viagra for the ego, I think it is for something else. :-D

Zachary · « **Reply #5 on:** January 28, 2005, 04:26:39 PM »

I just read the article and it appears that the 460 is actually a .45, and a longer cased .454 Cassul. In fact, the article stated that you can shoot both .454 Cassul and .45 Colt ammo in it.

Sounds versatile, but more power than a .454 Cassul? Ouch. :eek:

Zachary

Pinkerton · « **Reply #6 on:** January 28, 2005, 05:35:52 PM »

Gotta agree with you Zachary, it does sound versitile.

I think the big bores are all catching on and are here to stay. When the 500S&W came out I thought "way too much, if you can't do it with a 44mag you should be using a rifle" and when the 480 Ruger came out I thought it would never catch on, I figured the 44mag and 45 colt fans would never accept it. Now I've really been thinking hard about stepping up to a bigger bore. You just can't argue with a big heavy bullets effectivness on game.

I'm sure some will buy them for the "lookie what I got" or the "mines bigger than yours" I say great, because when the luster wears off and something new comes along, those are the guys ready to sell em for the next new thing. And some guys will buy em because they like em and that's what they want, enjoy and see a use for.

Besides if everybody bought a new gun each year, think of what support it would give our gun manufactures, our economy and the message it would send to the anti-gunners. So I say keep the stuff coming. I won't question why. and if somebody whats it, I say buy it. I'd never try to talk anybody outta getting a gun.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 28, 2005, 05:53:59 PM »

Pinkerton, I like the way you think.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #8 on:** January 28, 2005, 11:09:36 PM »

doesnt float my boat. Im a firm beliver in that if you want more power you need more caliber not speed. I just wish smith would get off there +++++ and build an n frame 5 shot 50 special. or even a 475 specail now that would be a gun.

TNrifleman · « **Reply #9 on:** January 29, 2005, 12:30:49 AM »

I read the Shooting Times article last night. The 460 does have some impressive ballistics. The X Frame revolver is an interesting new platform for exploring handgun possibilities. The fact that 45 colt and 454 ammo can be used in the gun definitely adds to the versatility of this revolver. I think I may get one. It would make an interesting new toy.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 29, 2005, 01:30:25 AM »

Quote from: Lloyd Smale

doesnt float my boat. Im a firm beliver in that if you want more power you need more caliber not speed. I just wish smith would get off there +++++ and build an n frame 5 shot 50 special. or even a 475 specail now that would be a gun.

Good, I am glad you don't want one. That is one less person that may get one before I do.

:-D :grin:

BlkHawk73 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 29, 2005, 01:56:08 AM »

RedHawk1: Guess I was a bit tired and forgot some stuff in my previous post. The recoil junkies (no disrespect) and the ego-feeders are two different groups. One has folks that seem to enjoy these hand cannons and seem to put much more attention into thier performance and load development. They use them. The other seems to be comprised of those just wanting attention that comes from others when having these big boomers but don't really do much shooting with them. Just for attention only purposes. It seems that you're in this first group. Nothing wrong with that. Glad to see folks that put the effort into these guns. :-)

poncaguy · « **Reply #12 on:** January 29, 2005, 04:00:20 AM »

Shooting times article said recoil was less than the .500 S&W, I think it would be a good round in my Encore rifle or a Handi rifle. I shoot a 45-70 in my 16" Contender and the recoil isn't that bad to me. I'm 63 and have "arthur" in my wrist so I'll get a barrel in .460 when they offer it...........if they do.In my rifles, 270 WSM is the largest round I like...with the 7mm-08 being a favorite :wink:

LMM · « **Reply #13 on:** January 29, 2005, 07:04:57 AM »

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NEW 460 S&W MAGNUM

This is S & Ws new cartridge for the 500 frame revolver. Ammo is by COR BON. Think of it as a 454 Casull magnumized. The first factory ammo will use a 200 grain Barnes X bullet at 2300 and some change FPS from the 10" barreled revolver. The same ammo does 2650 FPS from a 14" SSK Encore. Recoil is very mild for such a powerful cartridge. 454 and 45 Colt ammo can be used in the same chamber.

I got over 2100 FPS with a 300 grain jacketed bullet first try in the Encore. I think there is another 1--200 FPS there with the 300 grain bullet. Barrels are now available from SSK.

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BlkHawk73 wrote:
It'll appeal to the recoil junkines and those wanting to just have "big" to impress others. Kinda a Viagra for the ego in my opinion. Just don't see what void it fills. Besides, if you really need that much oomph as a hunting gun, use a rifle.

That is exactly the point. I can't hunt with a rifle in my state for deer (Handgun, Muzzleloader, Shotgun). So a 15" barreled Encore is my "rifle". .45 caliber 200 grain Barnes X bullet at 2650 FPS + sounds like a pretty effective deer "rifle".

I have my favorite guns as everyone does. There are guns I don't care to own or have a need for. Doesn't mean they don't need to make them. The market will dictate. Keep them coming. Keep the industry strong.

When it comes to guns what does need have to do with it anyway. It's all about want!

Don Dick · « **Reply #14 on:** January 29, 2005, 04:55:52 PM »

Redhawk1, I ask my dealer about one today. He did not know what I was talking about. Filled him in the best I could and told him that I was interested in the first one he gets.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 29, 2005, 05:00:07 PM »

Well I guess we will be in a race to see who gets thers first.

S.B. · « **Reply #16 on:** January 30, 2005, 04:01:53 AM »

From what I've read so far, the S&W reps at the shot show have eluded that the forcing cones aren't expected to hold up for long. Sounds like they don't expect most buyers to shoot this gun, that much, and for the ones that do, they'll replace the easily manufactued barrels, thru warranty?

mr.frosty · « **Reply #17 on:** January 30, 2005, 04:36:11 AM »

now why would a company like smith and wesson, or anyone else for that
matter, knowingly produce a product especially a handgun
that a consumer is going to have to replace a barrel,cylinder or whatever
in six months or a year? aint something I want to buy

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 30, 2005, 06:52:17 AM »

I don't know if all of that is true. I am going to call S&W Monday and see if I can get some answers. I will post what I find out from them. The price they are asking for the gun on the Site is around $1200.00 but dealers will set the price according to S&W. For that kind of money the gun better hold up. I plan on shooting it a lot. I will put a few thousand rounds through it quick. Just like I did my S&W 500 MAG's.

Dusty Miller · « **Reply #19 on:** January 30, 2005, 07:38:23 AM »

Did you say, "a few thousand rounds through it quick", as in THOUSANDS of rounds quickly? STAND BACK GUYS!!

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 30, 2005, 09:25:13 AM »

Quote from: Dusty Miller

Did you say, "a few thousand rounds through it quick", as in THOUSANDS of rounds quickly? STAND BACK GUYS!!

Dusty Miller, I shoot my 500MAG a least once a week. I have secession of 50 to 100 rounds. It does not take long to get to 1000 that way. Some people buy guns to shoot, some buy them to have. I shoot my guns.

Varmint Hunter · « **Reply #21 on:** January 30, 2005, 09:59:24 AM »

Hey Redhawk1,

I'd pay good money to see an x-ray of your wrists. Bones made by Simms? :-D

Just kidding of course.

mr.frosty · « **Reply #22 on:** January 30, 2005, 10:43:30 AM »

doesnt midway sell replacement wrist bones :shock:

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 30, 2005, 10:43:52 AM »

Varmint Hunter, it is not that bad of a recoil in my opinion. The owner of the indoor range think I am nuts. I always have people that want to shoot the 500 MAG also. I am glad I reload, and have a connection to quality cast bullets at a great price.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 30, 2005, 10:45:41 AM »

Quote from: mr.frosty

doesnt midway sell replacement wrist bones :shock:

No, I get them from Natchez shooters supply.

:-D

Don Dick · « **Reply #25 on:** January 31, 2005, 04:44:49 PM »

Redhawk1, I envey you being able to shoot that much. I have some health problems that keep me from shooting a lot. When I do, the smile on my face lasts untill the next opportunity.

S.B. · « **Reply #26 on:** January 31, 2005, 05:21:12 PM »

Quote from: Redhawk1

Quote from: Dusty Miller
Did you say, "a few thousand rounds through it quick", as in THOUSANDS of rounds quickly? STAND BACK GUYS!!

Dusty Miller, I shoot my 500MAG a least once a week. I have secession of 50 to 100 rounds. It does not take long to get to 1000 that way. Some people buy guns to shoot, some buy them to have. I shoot my guns.

The 500 doesn't have the velocity that the .460's got.

S.B. · « **Reply #27 on:** January 31, 2005, 05:27:59 PM »

If Smith can solve or has no problem with the forcing cone issue, I'd love to have one. Sounds like the answer to handgunners problems? Whoa that velocity!

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 31, 2005, 06:21:29 PM »

Quote from: S.B.

If Smith can solve or has no problem with the forcing cone issue, I'd love to have one. Sounds like the answer to handgunners problems? Whoa that velocity!

I spoke with S&W tech department today. They told me there might be an issue with the forcing cone. But that is why they are working with ammo makers to help in this. An they are aware of a potential problem. They also said there ar about 18 guns out right now, and several are at different ammo makers and S&W i has the rest doing tests. I for one will be shooting a little heavier bullets when I get mine. But lets say for argument sake that there was a problem and S&W stands behind there gun as they always have. Is that going to stop every one from getting one? I know I will still get one.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #29 on:** January 31, 2005, 06:23:26 PM »

Quote from: S.B.

Quote from: Redhawk1
Quote from: Dusty Miller
Did you say, "a few thousand rounds through it quick", as in THOUSANDS of rounds quickly? STAND BACK GUYS!!

Dusty Miller, I shoot my 500MAG a least once a week. I have secession of 50 to 100 rounds. It does not take long to get to 1000 that way. Some people buy guns to shoot, some buy them to have. I shoot my guns.

The 500 doesn't have the velocity that the .460's got.

My answer was the amount of rounds I shoot, not velocity of the 460.