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« on: January 31, 2005, 04:55:18 PM »
I am trying to find a load for my SBH.
I have tried H-110 but not real happy.
Do you think 2400 would be a good Powder to try.
H-110 require's a Mag. primer and I am told 2400 does not.
Want to use Cast 250 gr. Keith bullets
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2005, 05:17:26 PM »
2400 is the classic powder for the .44 Mag. That is the powder that Elmer Keith used way back when. 2400 is said by some to be somewhat dirty as it sometimes leaves unburned powder flakes. It works best with heavy loads, heavy bullets and a heavy crimp.

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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2005, 06:05:18 PM »
The 2400 will let you down load a bit more than H110 also. H110 is made for maximum horsepower, it pick's up where the 2400 leaves off. Also both powders will be dirty until you get them cranked up there where they build good pressure, then they shoot real clean. Both need good crimps and heavy bullets don't hurt either.
All I've ever used with H110 is WLP primers and Fed gold medal. No problems.

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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2005, 06:32:29 PM »
2400 is all I use in my 44 MAG's.  :D
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2005, 07:42:48 PM »
2400 is what I use in my heavy loads.
I'm very happy with it. I've never used H110 so can't comment.

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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2005, 09:33:14 PM »
I mostly use H110 and have never used 2400 in my 44 mag (but that will change soon).  H110 is best for when you want VELOCITY!!  When I put it beneath my 336 gr. WLN cast bullet and don't get bashfull about really loading up that case then I've got a first rate hand cannon on my hands.  If I ever get to go pig hunting (next May I hope) that's what I'll use.
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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2005, 03:12:58 AM »
Why don't you like the H110?  I have had great luck with that.  It will give more velocity than 2400.  2400 has a wider range of velocity.  H110 does perform best with mag primers in my loads.  What kind of load do you want?  If it is a plinking load, Titegroup, HS6 and 7,  and 231 are also good powders for lower velocities.

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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2005, 03:39:12 AM »
Not happy with H-110 because It has to be a hot only load with a Mag primer and a very heavy crimp.
Only load that works for me is 24.0 with a 240gr. SJSP
Would like to down load a little and try some cast bullet's.
So far with this powder cast accuracy Suck's.
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2005, 06:37:19 AM »
Hmmm, H110 is all I use on 275 and up but on the lighter stuff I use AA#7, IMR7625, IMR4756, 231. Have even done a little Longshot with pretty good results. Some use bluedot but it's dirty too unless you load em up and I've found it too erratic.
The 7625 works very good with a 245g Keith cast bullet, clean burning and accurate. I loaded 10.5g of it and av vel runs around 1200. If you go to IMR 4756 which is a bit slower I show 12.5g giving around 1350 fps. Now remember these are hard cast and may seat at a different depth than the bullets you use so you'll have to work up. I notice the Speer manual shows a max of 7.5g 4756 with their swaged bullet and they also use a mag primer which I DONT recommend with this powder or the above loads. All I ever have used is WW LP which is hotter than a standard CCI but less than their mag, but not by much. The reason you may be getting poor performance is that with H110 the psi is too low to bump the bullet up to fit the bore espessially if it's a PB bullet. You need a bit faster powder to seal things up quicker without excessive vel.
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2005, 07:12:24 AM »
I use a 240 grain bullet and 25.8 grains of H-110.

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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2005, 12:15:56 PM »
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Would like to down load a little and try some cast bullet's.


Try from 17.0 up to 21.0 gr of 2400 under the Kieth 250 gr cast bullets and you should find a load you like.
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2005, 07:17:26 AM »
First off I have desided to keep using 24.0 of H-110 under a
Magtech 240 SJSP for my hunting load. I gave it a heavier crimp and now they stay @ 2" groups at 50 yd., also shot it to 100yd. at some 8" plate's, it was a hit every time :-D .
Also tried 20-20.5gr. of 2400, 20 wasn't good but 20.5 got better, 2.5".
burns cleaner than H-110 and I used WLP primer.
Still a heavy kicker.
Book shows 21gr. of 2400 to be the Max, is it safe to go to 21 to see if that groups better.
Or should I go lower than 20gr. to see if Accuracy gets better.
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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2005, 09:04:03 AM »
To the best of my knowledge you do not have to use a magnumb primer when using H110 in the 44 magnum. I have always used WLP (non-magnum) winchester primers with the 44 magnum.
I however ALWAYS use a magnum primer for my H110 loads for 357 magnum. Most load manuals only specify the magnum primer fro H110 in the 357, not the 44.
In the 357, there seemed to be much more unburnt residue the one time I used non-mag primers in this case.
As an alternative you may wish to try Winchester 296, which is very similar (but from the sources I have seen is not the same as 110) to H110.
H4227 and Hodgdon's Lil'Gun may also be powders worth checking into.
My experience with 2400 has been not so favorable. Seems to burn dirtier with less velocity in the 44 and 357.
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