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« on: February 02, 2005, 03:33:10 PM »
What this is about is SAWgunner get to pretend that he is on the up with current events, gets to pretend he is a vastly canverous source of worldly knowledge and he gets to pretend that somebody listens to him (The wife won't play along..heh heh)


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BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraqi officials were counting votes Monday, a day after millions of Iraqis defied terrorist threats and cast ballots in the nation's first free election in half a century.

Initial reports indicated voter turnout appeared to be higher than expected, even in Sunni-majority areas where insurgent attacks have occurred on a near daily basis.

Sunday's vote was hailed by world leaders as the beginning of a transition process that will lead to Iraqis controlling their own destiny. (Full story)

"This is the greatest day in the history of this country," Iraqi national security adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie told CNN.

U.S. State Department spokesman Noel Clay said 5,171 polling centers -- 98.8 percent of the 5,232 that were expected to open -- actually did so.

Vote counting started Sunday in polling centers and continued into Monday, when the International Election Commission of Iraq is planning to take all ballots to its headquarters in Baghdad for recounting.

The IECI has promised to announce official results within 10 days.

Clay said the elections "were very transparent" and that representatives of nongovernmental organizations, political organizations and parties observed the process.

Election day was not without some violence.

Insurgents had vowed to wash the streets with "voters' blood," and more than a dozen attacks Sunday killed at least 28 people and wounded 71 others.

But authorities said extensive security measures prevented more widespread car bombings and other attacks that many had feared would mar the elections.

"The streets of Baghdad were not filled with blood as the threats of terrorist groups had mentioned," election official Faryid Ayar said. "[Terrorists] directed a message to us: the message of killing. And we directed to them the message of elections and freedom and democracy."

After the voting, President Bush said the balloting was a "resounding success" and praised Iraqis who "have taken rightful control of their country's destiny." (Full story)

Arab media, meanwhile, weighed in with a mix of hope, concern, and skepticism. (Full story)

Prime Minister Tony Blair urged Britain to "embrace the bright future of Iraq's new democracy" after the elections, while expressing condolences to the families of British troops killed in a plane crash north of Baghdad.

The crash of the C-130 represented the deadliest day of the war for British forces. (Full story)

'Happy with the turnout'
Many Iraqi voters proudly displayed their ink-stained fingers in defiance of the insurgency. Each person who voted dipped his or her finger in ink to prevent people from voting twice. (Full story)

The IECI clarified an earlier estimate of a 72 percent turnout, saying that the "figures are only very rough, word-of-mouth estimates gathered informally from the field."

"What is certainly the case is that turnout has exceeded expectations throughout the country," the statement said.

U.N. election organizer Carlos Valezuela told CNN that though he was "happy with the turnout," it was too early to report numbers.

The Iraqi Election Information Network, a nongovernmental organization backed by the Washington-based National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, said the elections were conducted with only minor irregularities, "including low turnout and sporadic violence in a few specific areas of Iraq."

In the so-called Sunni Triangle towns north and west of Baghdad, turnout appeared lower than in the largely Shiite and Kurdish provinces.

But Adnan Pachachi, a Sunni member of the former Iraqi Governing Council who had advocated a delay in the vote, said turnout in cities such as Mosul and Falluja "has been far greater than we had expected."

"We hope that the new assembly will invite those parties that have not taken part in the election in joining us in writing the constitution," Pachachi said. "This will pave the way for a far more inclusive election."

There were also questions about the number of registered voters.

Although the IECI and the U.S. State Department said more than 14 million Iraqis were registered, some Iraqi officials gave that same figure for the total number of eligible voters.

Iraqi expatriates in 14 countries, including the United States, had one last opportunity Sunday to cast votes, as the three-day window for out-of-country voting closed.

About 66 percent of Iraqi expatriates who were registered to vote -- 186,619 -- cast ballots in the first two days of their three-day voting period, the United Nations' Iraq out-of-country voting program said Sunday. More than 280,000 expatriates registered for the election.

Resolute voters
Iraqi voters -- men and women -- streamed to more than 30,000 polling stations set up across the country, with the polling beginning at 7 a.m. (11 p.m. ET Saturday) and ending at 5 p.m. Many waited in line for an hour to cast their votes.

Iraqis were electing a 275-member transitional National Assembly, which will draft a new constitution, and pick the country's next president and two vice presidents. The president, in turn, will select a prime minister. (Structure)

CNN correspondents reported that turnout varied across the nation.

In former president Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit, polling stations were virtually empty. But in other parts of the country booths were packed.

In the northeastern town of Baquba, CNN's Jane Arraf found a polling station where a long line of Iraqi voters chanted and clapped their hands in front of the camera. (On the Scene)

Unofficial figures indicated that 30 percent of eligible voters there came to the polls.

"We are defeating the terrorists as we are coming here," a voter named Saad said, proudly displaying his ink-stained finger.

Further north in the Kurdish town of Sulaimaniya, CNN's Nic Robertson reported seeing a 90-year-old woman being taken to a voting booth in a wheelbarrow. Others came on crutches to cast their ballot.

In the southern city of Basra, ITN correspondent Juliet Bremner reported that turnout was almost 90 percent. She said voting was peaceful and orderly, with elated Shiites -- oppressed for decades under Saddam -- "determined to cast their votes in their desire for freedom, peace and food."

Scattered violence
The day began with explosions shattering the morning calm in Baghdad, and scattered violence was reported elsewhere in the country.

A statement posted on several Islamist Web sites, purportedly from a group headed by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, claimed responsibility for Sunday's attacks on polling areas in Baghdad and other areas of Iraq.

Insurgents in the capital had earlier distributed fliers warning citizens against participating in the election, claiming they would "wash Baghdad streets with voters' blood."

Eight suicide bombers struck in Baghdad, leaving 11 dead and at least 47 wounded. Other attacks killed a total of 10 and wounded six more in Baghdad, Mosul and Balad, 50 miles north of the capital.

Another blast killed three and wounded 14 on a bus near Hilla, south of Baghdad. (Full story)

In addition to the Iraqis killed in attacks on polling stations, two U.S. troops died in combat in western Iraq on Sunday, according to the American military. A U.S. Marine also was killed Sunday in al-Anbar province.

Since the start of the Operation Iraqi Freedom, 1,429 U.S. forces have died in Iraq.

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Sunday that there was no timetable to pull the 150,000 U.S. troops out of Iraq. She said the question of how much longer U.S. troops will remain in Iraq depends on how long it takes to properly train and equip an Iraqi force. (Full story)

CNN's Christiane Amanpour, Jane Arraf, Nic Robertson, Auday Sadeq, Ingrid Formanek and Mohammed Tawfeeq contributed to this report.



**********SAWgunner's Take*****************

Now, I have been to alot of places on this blue, green and brown outfit that God made, and here is my take on Democracy.

Democracy is alot rougher when it has been forced upon a nation.  I base this observation on my experiences in S. Korea, Bosnia and Russia.  All three are still struggling.  Kind of makes you wonder if they really want it, I mean does Adashi really want a Southern California near Pusan with all of the Korean Hollywooders?  heh heh.

We had every reason to go to Iraq, but we sould have offered the chance for them to become a democratic nation.  Why, you say?  Because when you force someone to do something, that is not freedom.  We may not agree with them, but they have every right to install their own government.

For instance, do any of you dads out there remember the first time that you gave your son the keys to the 'ol family car?  Kind of made you feel uneasy.  Didn't think he would do the right thing, if you said yes, how did you really feel?  But you knew if you didn't he would be hard pressed to get out and get a job and leave the nest.

So, we should give the Iraqi's the keys back to their car and tell them, "We will be watching you, don't screw this up."


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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2005, 04:40:05 PM »
I guess I do not see it as a forced issue if it would have been I doubt over 60% of the people would have not voted with more wanting to? Sounds to me with that kind of figures they were forced. Heck they came to vote with the chances of getting killed and they still voted they sure would have not had to if they did not want to. I am sure Making W look good was the last thing on their mind. They just want their freedom after years of a sadistic dictator.
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2005, 05:16:02 PM »
To make myself clear.  I have given my life for the purpose of democracy, and I believe in it to my soul.  Knowing that, what I am saying is that we should have asked the people, "What do you want to do"  instead of, "The ballots of your new democracy will be open in February".  I never said that it is not what they wanted, in all honesty, we have no idea what they wanted, because we never asked.  On the other hand, I guess they did tell us what they wanted in a round-about way in that they rallied for us.  This was missing in Vietnam, and as alot of yuo know, they never cared for Democracy or cared to have it as a majority.

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Re: Ladies and Gentlemen...SAWgunner's weekly Rant.
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2005, 01:37:23 AM »
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does Adashi really want a Southern California near Pusan with all of the Korean Hollywooders?  heh heh.

The world do not need Kalifornication of ANY more places ANYWHERE, opine Dali Llama. :twisted:  :x  :evil:
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