Leverdude,
Do you know what percentage of OUR population took an active part in the American Revolution?
About 15%.
You may be right, I'v no idea. & dont see the relevance anyway.
We won, with some help to be sure but the movement itself was started by us & we represented the overwhelming majority of the men fighting.
We set up our own Gov't the way we wanted, theres no question who won the war or why it was faught.
We fought for what we believe in, we're asking Iraq to fight against what they believe in. They already know the politicians are going to be puppets of the clerics & religious leaders. They want to die fighting for allah & we're sure giving them alot of oportunities for that.
There are blind people on both sides of this issue & IMO the biggest reason is we dont comprehend what motivates the people of that region. They dont fight for Iraq, they fight against the west.
When we were only in Afganistan they flocked there to kill the infidels, we took Iraq & so they now flock there as well. Before both they were vehemently against our military presence in Saudi arabia. They swear to rid the mideast of Isreal & blame its existance on us. IMO we have our nose so far in their buisness that we make ourselves a perfect target for every islamic loony out there.
I see posts from others who I have great respect for that say their ambition is the spread of islam thru violence & whatever other means at their disposal & in the next thread they say the same people want our help & want democracy & peace. It cant be both ways & while I'm sure some over there want peace they need to fight as hard if not harder than their brothers who want to destroy any chance they might have.
Realize as well that the longer we stay there the longer our military actions continue the more people we're likely to turn against us.
We all see the devastation we deliver when we bomb a terrorist stronghold or what have you. Can anyone honestly say peaceful Iraqis arent getting killed? How do you think their families feel about us after we blow up someones father, or brother, son or mother? I dont suppose that would instill hatred of us.
Nope, we fixed their problem as best we could & now we are done there.
as I'v said before we need not abandon them. If they continue to fight for peace, if they continue to fight terrorism, if they choose to enter the global community in a usefull progressive way we should support them if the need arises but the fight is theirs.
We entered Iraq to rid it & the world of Saddam Husein, no more no less. Would have been better if we were clear on that from the start instead of looking for justification in WMD & other BS but thats politics.
He blew us & the world off by ignoring resolution after resolution & the US had the gonads to do what needed doing. Now we need to use them gonads again to tell them their on their own & the rest of the world if they dont like it can suck an egg.