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Offline williamlayton

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« on: February 05, 2005, 03:53:16 AM »
What rifle do you consider the best for self defense. all ranges considered.
Makes, models and ammunition are open to dicussion.
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2005, 01:45:02 PM »
Well...I am currently using a Marlin 336CS in .30-30 but am looking for a good deal on a Kalashnikov in 7.62x39mm. I think the AK is a better SHTF rifle than the 336...but just barely.
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2005, 01:15:09 AM »
if i had to have 1 rifle to use in a defense situation and lived rual no kids in the home and living by myself it would be a 308 sage ebr!

but  in this  world i use a 16 inch ar-15 with an aimpoint backed up by buis sights, and a surefire mounted to it loaded with tap ammo!
spare mags loaded with fmj, and and 55 hollowpointsgood enough for any threat  i may run into! with in reason. say 0-300yds
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2005, 01:45:34 AM »
I was thinking, bad bad bad habit of mine sometimes, along the lines of a what if situation. Years ago the folks generally had a winchester or such around the place or in the truck. Mostly rural folks at that time.
I was thinking a carbine in .357, a short rifle such as the saddle type Winchester/Marlin, maybe a bolt or pump. The .357 sounds the best all around over a larger or smaller caliber.
Just playing with some thoughts---more responses sought.
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2005, 10:41:59 AM »
so now were talking all around ranch rifle, varmit and maybe self defense,

marlin 357 mag  add ashley ghost rings to it  a wild west custom lever loop
and maybe a ashley scout scope mount with a red dot or burris scout scope  add some 38 specials and bamm fun gun  sounds just like mine bu ti have a sure fire on mine too
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2005, 02:16:47 PM »
Well now, it would be a fun shooter, and that is important. It would first and foremost need to be a working self defense weapon.
I guess I should add that what I do not have, really, is a weapon that could be counted on if the SHTF situation ever arose. I took stock and found no need for another urban, close combat, self defense weapon (at this time, less my greed gets outta hand) but am lacking in the other department.
I related to days of old but I am not really sure if that is a good answer for this. Now I doan wanna get together an arsnal.
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2005, 01:46:29 PM »
How about a nice little Ruger Deerfield 44mag?  At short range here in MI there are a lot of deer hunters having a lot of success with those little semi-autos.  I'm not sure if they have a removable clip though.  If not, reloading could be a severe liability.   -  Joe
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2005, 04:32:32 PM »
My vote goes to the shorty AR-15. A fun shooter, and with a few 30 rounders loaded up, you can take on a hoard of huns. Not to bad for picking off the odd deer either.
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2005, 01:44:40 PM »
Personal arsenal-
SKS with approx 350 rounds on stripper clips for "urban combat"
Mauser converted to 308 with 200 rounds, looking for stripper clips, for "reach out and scar them" or "light armor penetration"
1911, customized slightly for " on the streets protection"
 
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2005, 05:56:53 PM »
I have a Rock River Arm's "AR-15 A2 Tasc Rifle". I'm going to change the "upper Receiver assembly" to RRA's "UTE2" upper receiver. This will allow me to mount a "EOTech HOLOsight" (model #512) to the receiver and still be able to use my iron sights, I'm also going to put "Tritium sights" (probably Trijicon) on it!

I still don't know what ammo I'm going to use. I'll try Hornady's TAP and Federal's TRU ammo and use what ever shoots better.
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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2005, 12:40:40 PM »
As far as durability and ease of use and function, nothing beats an AK. I have my doubts about friends who would use a scoped rifle as a survival arm. Glass is too fragile for the hard knocks of a survival situation.
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2005, 01:25:02 PM »
:D CornCod, glass can be removed in seconds if damaged, so don't count it out. As far as your choice of weapons, where is your source of ammo and spare parts if you find yourself out in the field, after the poop hits the fan? Who do you think you will be fighting? Ronald Reagan has already insured the country against invasion by the Soviets. He won the cold war, remember? With my AR-15 I can always pick up ammo, magazines and spare parts, (uppers, lowers, whatever survives), from dead GIs or B.A.T.F. agents!
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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2005, 09:28:48 AM »
My duty weapon of choice and the one I grab when heading out the door to check our property for marijuana growers is a custom Ruger Mini 14.  Lawdog
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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2005, 04:49:51 AM »
I am a Ruger mini-14 fan also.
But my choice at the moment is a 1944
GM .30 carbine. 10 -15 round mags and 3 -30 rounders.
A case & sons bayonet too if things really get ugly.
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2005, 01:42:09 PM »
a rifle for home defiance, this could be a bad thing.

If a person is out at "rifle ranges"  then they are not a treat to you (unless they are shooting at you with a rifle) Most home defiance shootings are at very close ranges less then 20 feet.

we all have to be very carefully what we use, a lawyer will love to get you on the stand and tear you a new one.

MR. smith if that POS was far enough from you that you had to use a rifle to shoot him then would you please tell me what type of treat he was to you.
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« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2005, 03:31:44 PM »
Quote from: williamlayton
What rifle do you consider the best for self defense. all ranges considered.
Makes, models and ammunition are open to dicussion.
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rickyp, you must have mis-read the question. I don't see the word home here. :D
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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2005, 03:37:32 PM »
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:53 am    Post subject: NOT LMITED TOO HOME DEFENSE
this would imply the rifle would also be used for home defense

this would also apply if you where out in the fields if a person is at rifle ranges they they pose you little to no treat.
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« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2005, 04:07:24 AM »
I'm sorry, RickyP, if the subject is at rifle ranges and has rifle, he certainly has the ability to be a very real threat to me.  However, "not limited to home" means a gun that is accurate out to rifle ranges (100 -+ yds.) but will not penetrate the walls of your house and hurt a family member.  

The PD I work at, in a large metro area, experimented with many .223 rounds.  The one round that fragmented to the point of not harming anyone behind a wall was the Black Hills 60 gr. jsp.  As much as I don't like the .223 for use against hostiles, when you factor in the family at home situation, I'm afraid it is the only rifle of choice.  JMHO. :D
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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2005, 01:24:46 AM »
Well, I still cannot see the misinterpretation of the post, I will however assume responsibility for posting poorly.
I would assume, hate that word, that if one were to have a firearm in a house, rifle, cannon or otherwise, he/she would use such in a pinch. The question was "if" other than in a home situation what would be good--knowin that such would/could be used "in the home-in a pinch".
Lordy I feels like a lawyer trying to dot the T's and cross the I's.
Yes, I know I  got it backward, just did it fer fun.
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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2005, 05:52:46 PM »
SKS with Jacketed Soft Point ammo.
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« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2005, 03:44:30 AM »
There are only 2 to consider.First is any $175 20 gauge pump.Slugs and shot under the bed.Next is Ruger Rancher .223 for the ones that know you have the shotgun.Pistols are sexy,tough to aim,expensive and can shoot thru every wall in your home.If I was a burgler I'd rather face Greybeard with a pistol than my wife with her 20.For $500 the rancher is a durable ,accurate protector.no offense Gray.
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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2005, 04:11:53 PM »
i have a rossi puma ss in .357mag handy. it has a forward mounted scope with q-d rings, and iron sites. it has a great trigger and i shoot it well. i practice with it alot. it would do the job! also have a s-w 686 in .357.
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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2005, 04:36:06 PM »
MIA first and the Mini 14 second.
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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2005, 02:38:29 AM »
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i have a rossi puma ss in .357mag handy. it has a forward mounted scope with q-d rings, and iron sites. it has a great trigger and i shoot it well. i practice with it alot. it would do the job! also have a s-w 686 in .357.


If you don't mind me asking, where did you get the forward scope mount?
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« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2006, 03:36:46 PM »
gino, did i answer your question in a pm? i think i got the mount through ashley outdoors. now AO sights.
 i like the balance and weight forward feel, the scope gives me.
 i would like to find an older marlin carbine in .357 mag. and set it up the same way.
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« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2006, 07:56:43 PM »
:cb2: For a self-defense rifle I like the Mini-30 first, followed by the Mini-14. That's just because I like the bigger .30 cal. bullets! If limiting it just for home protection, the Ruger PC4 in .40 would be an interesting choice.

However, I tend to believe the best rifle for self-defense . . . is a shotgun! :shock:
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« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2006, 11:33:19 AM »
I like the AR-15 with a 16" barrel collapsable stock.  It is a platform that can be used for across the room encouters or for longer encouters equally well.  I know the 5.56X45 is getting some bad press now from its performance in the desert but remember our warriors are required to use fmj ammo.  We citizens are not so hampered, change that fmj to a dynamically expanding round and performance changes considerably.  Another plus of the 223 is that it will penetrate soft armor but usually stops in walls etc. (once again good expanding bullets).  The biggest down side for inside use is the muzzle blast is terrible in confined spaces but this is a problem with any true rifle caliber.  Plus by using this one platform for all uses you become familiar with it.  Mine is equiped with a surefire light, a leupold dot sight, a patrol sling and an extra magazine pouch on the stock, it is light, handy, and very user friendly.
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« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2006, 01:37:08 PM »
The biggest down side for inside use is the muzzle blast is terrible in confined spaces


get a noveske krink brake  it works wonders in the stack  it directs all MB foward of the shooters and helps a lot
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« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2006, 02:47:06 AM »
Sorry, about that, I didn't get to finish my post, had to run.  The rifle is loaded with a 20 round magazine of Federal 55 grain HP rounds and the magazine on the stock is a 30 round loaded with FMJ ammo.  The reason I went with the 20 rounder in the rifle is for me it seems to be less prone to snaging on stuff than the 30 rounder but that may not hold true for everyone.  My logic for the 30 rounder as the secondary is that if I am transitioning to the secondary mag, I am already engaged and have either emptied the primary or need to deal with an article of cover and the extra rounds would be welcome.  Also the dot sight is set up so that I can still use my iron sights in the event of battery or optic failure.  I hope this helps.
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« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2006, 02:54:57 AM »
Deputy, what is the source of the muzzle brake that you recommended.  I have tried several and have really not noticed much difference.  It sounds like the one you mentioned may just be what I am looking for.  Also how does the flash compare with the A-2 style flash suppressor.
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