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Offline willysjeep134

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just got some magtec brass .410 shells
« on: February 07, 2005, 06:07:17 AM »
I just ogt a box of magtec .410 brass shells from Cabelas. I reloaded them with a 2.2 cc lee dipper full of AMerican Pioneer powder, a homemade card wad, then some wads cut from weatherstrip felt, then a 2.2 cc dipper full of No. 7 1/2 shot, then another card wad and some watered down white glue. I was using rifle primers, but I will get some pistol primers before I reload any more.

I understand that the .410 was loaded with 1.5 drams of black powder which would work out to about 40 grains. I will make a measure to throw that volume equivalent of American Pioneer powder, then make a measure to throw 1/2 ounce of shot too. This would give me a regular load. My current loads were very light.

I started by using cardboard and homemade felt wads, but I couldn't find a really good source for felt that wouldn't turn into a glob of plastic, so I think I found a good solution. I bought a packet of 12X12 inch 1/4" thick bulletin board cork tiles from the hardware store. As I understand they used to use cork wads in magnum loads and felt wads in regular loads. I had to make a wad punch by boring out a piece of pipe on the lathe so I could cut my own wads. I bought plain cork, with no adhesive backing or anything. I only made two cork reloads.

As an aside, I found out that you can cut down a plastic hull and reload it like a brass hull. I made two plastic hulls each with 2.2cc of American Pioneer and a regular 209 primer. I then put down a card wad, a cork wad, then three 00 buckshot, then another card wad on top and some glue.

For a "press" to ram the wads home I took a 3/8 drillbit and chucked it upside down in my drill press. With the press not running it works great to seat the cushion wads. I use a universal decap die, a Lee ram prime, and a 45-70 shell holder, which is a loose fit, on my brass shells. I use a punch to knock out the primer on the few plastic hulls I have played with, and just pressed a new primer in place on a flat table.

I haven't chrony'd the buckshot or shot loads yet. I will definately try to make some full power brass hull loads. American Pioneer powder produces very little smoke in a long .410 barrel. It makes the tube very dirty after a few shots, but the fouling is soft and comes out with a little water. I figure American Pioneer must be sort of like the old semismokeless bulk powders they made for use in the original brass hulls, the ones that reloaded volume for volume with black powder.

I think that before I reload any more shells I will dip my cork wads in a little melted parrafin. A little lube can't hurt anything.

I would definately recomend these brass hulls for anybody who is fed up with the price of .410 ammo. I can reload a box that is cheap enough that I don't cry when ever I pull the trigger. They don't smoke too much, so I think I could even try a round or two of trap with them. They probably won't hold up in the magazine of a pump action, and they would choke an automatic to death, but in my old single shot they shoot just fine. I might even make a few roundball loads to play with. They are tons of fun!
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just got some magtec brass .410 shells
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2005, 03:46:22 PM »
I was looking at them the other day for use in my 45/410 contender.

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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2005, 07:31:02 PM »
You might try taking a look into the back room at your local grocer's. Ask for some waxed boxes from the produce dept. They usually ship lettuce, cabbage and some other greens in wax boxes so they can cool them with ice. The make good wads cut as is. You won't have to mess with dipping the stuff in parafin yourself.

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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2005, 02:46:25 PM »
willysjeep134,
what is the inside dia. of them brass 410 cases?

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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2005, 11:57:51 AM »
have you look at  felt weatherstripping available at the hardware store. I think you can get several thicknesses.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2005, 09:32:57 AM »
What kind of equipment do you need for reloading the all brass cases? Do you use a press to resize?

I want fast reloading times for cowboy action shooting in 12 ga w/ 7/8 loads.

Please advise.

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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2005, 10:06:31 AM »
I believe all you would really need would be a nail to de-prime and a dowel rod to reprime with. then some dippers and you'd be in business.

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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2005, 04:02:17 AM »
I haven't resized my hulls yet. I only shoot them from one gun and only use blackpowder type loads. they are like 2.5 inch hulls and I have a 3 inch chamber so they can grow as much as they want. If they get really oversized or I get another .410 I might invest in some sort of sizer for them.

I was using weatherstripping wads, but I just switched wads with the last few shells I reloaded to cork. It is cheaper than finding natural felt and doesn't melt like the weatherstripping does.

I just weighed out a shot charge and found out a heaped 2.5cc dipper holds a shy half ounce of 7.5 shot. It also holds about 40 grains equivalent of American Pioneer Powder. That is my new reloading dipper.

I haven't miked the insied of my hulls or anything. I just found a drill bit (I forget which one) that just barely fit inside the case mouth and used it to drill out a piece of pipe. Then I sharpened the outside of the pipe with a file.

Harbor Freight has a set of hollow punches that will throw a .43 wad too. I put a set on order, hopefully they will get here soon enough for me to give them a try.

Reloading brass shells by hand takes a bit longer than reloading paper or plastic with a Mec 600 press. They also take a little more care so they don't get crushed or dented. If you use mild loads they are supposed to last a lifetime or longer.
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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2005, 04:08:52 AM »
what type of primer are you using?

You now got me thinking about getting some for my 45/410 barrel

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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2005, 04:27:58 AM »
I'm just using winchester large pistol primers now.

I was wondering about those .45 colt/.410 contenders. Is the chamber larger than a standard .410 to accomidate the .45 colt case? I was thinking that if the chamber is bigger than spec for a .410 you would probably want to get a sizer of some kind. The stretching might be harder on brass hulls, but it would still be cheaper than factory ammo even if you only got a few reloads out of them. They are a lot of fun, I'd say go for it.
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2005, 04:44:39 AM »
I have not mesured the chambe, but if i only shoot them in the barrel they should only grow to that size so I should not have to worry to much about resizing them they will be for hunting loads and not plinking. I have a mec 600 jr for 410.

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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2005, 11:59:32 AM »
I just got those punches last weekend. The .43 diameter wads and cards are a nice tight fit. The card can squeze in there without getting really bent on the edges. The cork wads also fit nice and snug. I would guess the hulls are a loose .42something.

I just worked up a box of them last weekend. It took a little while, but it was satisfying to heft a full box of homemade shells. I figure it cost me about $2.75 plus the investment in the hulls and punches. I think that is what is actually fair to pay for ammo. Somebody should tell Winchester this!
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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2005, 03:32:48 PM »
I guess you got lucky,
I called Cabala's today to order some and they are out of stock and would not let me back order them. I was told they may have some in be June but are not sure if they will get any then.
I was really looking forward to playing with them out of my 45-410 contender.

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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2005, 08:47:00 AM »
I have a 45/410 14" Contender barrel and I too was bit by the WHY NOT bug. The only brass shells I could find were Berdan primed and I didn't want to fool with them. Went looking on Google and found a couple sites suggesting making your own shells from  444 Marlin (that works great). I also tried 9.3x74 (perfect for 3" cases).

What to use for wads? I found a gasket punch that works on cardboard for an over-powder wad, then I use an Alcan felt wad for some compression, then a Win 410 shot cup with three .36 balls sealed with Elmers glue. The three .36 equal 240 grains or about 1/2 oz, five balls equal 400 grains or about 15/16 oz.

OK - now that I have some cases, where do I find loads? Answer: there ain't none, nowhere. At least not that I have found.

So far, I have used cornmeal to fireform, but found it wasn't necessary for the 444. Again, so far, I have used 13 grains of Lil gun with the three balls with fair results. I was fireforming and looking for a load that works, not accuracy yet.  

Obviously, this is a work-in- progress. I was hoping someone else could add to what I have already found out and maybe save me some time and duplication of effort.

Anybody??

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« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2005, 04:56:51 AM »
Here is a site with loading info on brass .410:

http://www.endtimesreport.com/410reloading.html
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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2005, 09:23:17 AM »
Bob_K, fantastic link. Do you have any leads on brass 12ga loads?

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« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2005, 08:19:44 AM »
You see, the thing is that I don't trust any smokeless data I see online. Black powder is so much more forgiving. Merely changing the wad type in a trap load can change the pressure drastically. While the fellow at endtimesreport.com may feel safe using his home cooked data, I really don't. Until I can find brass shell data in print from Magtec or some other company in the reloading business I prefer not to experiment on my own. Black powder and substitutes can be reloaded with a simple formula and are very forgiving as far as wads, primers, and hulls are concerned.
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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2005, 01:48:13 AM »
I load my .410 Magtech brass shells with a formula printed on the Lil Gun powder jug: 1/2 ounce of shot and 13 grains of Lil Gun. The jug says this combo in Fed, Rem and Win .410 (plastic) cases will generate 1200 fps, and there certainly are no signs of pressure in the stronger Magtech brass case. I have not used the chrony on this load, but it sure lays a nice pattern with No 8s  from my choked 10-inch Contender .45/.410 barrel. I am using Remington's SP410 plastic wad and shot column. I use a bit of polyester or a small paper towel wad tampted right above the powder to make sure the powder stays in place next to the primer (this may be an unneeded step), then I tamp down the plastic wad and column, then I put 1/2 ounce of shot. To top the loaded case off, I hold a lighted candle above the shot and let about eight drops of hot wax fall over the shot and the sides of its plastic wad column and inside of the brass case. This seals everything off and holds it all in place. No resizing needed for reloads so far. Works quite well. If I ever need to resize the case, I plan to use an open-top .45 Colt die or simply drill a hole of the proper size in a piece of metal to push the case through. Since I am using the cases in the same barrel, I doubt this ever will be necessary, but time will tell as it always does.

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« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2005, 09:36:14 AM »
I too have found patterns to be better with my 45-410 using the magtech shells over normal plastic ones.  

I am going squirrel hunting tomorow (9-5-05) with my 5 year old son and I will be taking my 10 inch 45-410 barrel with my magtech shelld.