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Winchester Says Good-Bye To The 9422
« on: February 09, 2005, 01:38:34 AM »
Winchester Says Good-Bye To The 9422
 
MORGAN, UTAH— Since 1972, Winchester® has built one of the most famous and best loved rimfires on the market: the Model 9422. More than just a rimfire rifle, it is a foundation for learning accuracy, safety and building good memories. Model 9422s are appreciated by firearms aficionados and first-time buyers alike. The smooth, fluid action, special target crowns for improved accuracy and excellent fit and finish were all the evidence necessary to show that they were built to higher standards than other rimfires. Now, after 33 years, production of the time- honored Model 9422 is ending. The tooling is being retired, and the production line at the New Haven, Connecticut facility will stop. Never again will you have the opportunity to purchase rifles like these final production 9422s. In a well-deserved final applause, a special, limited edition run of only 9,422 will be produced in a Tribute Series, and 222 in the Custom Edition.

As a final tribute, Winchester will offer five models.

Suggested Retail
• High Grade Traditional - $1050 Long Rifle, $1078 WMR
• High Grade Legacy - $1085 Long Rifle, $1113 WMR
• Special Edition Traditional- $ 516 Long Rifle, $ 545 WMR
• Special Edition Legacy.- $551 Long Rifle, $579 WMR

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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2005, 02:11:33 AM »
Interesting because Marlin has told their Union employees that they will be dropping the 39A 22LR this year. No more 22 levers!

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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2005, 03:43:54 AM »
Not so Dali. Henry Repeating Arms an advertiser here at GBO is likely the reason these two are giving up. Just can't compete price wise. There is also the Browning Lever Action still in business.


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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2005, 07:32:48 AM »
Are there any good American made rifles left? Good heavens! I never expected the Marlin 39 or the 9422 to be discontinued.
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2005, 11:37:18 AM »
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Are there any good American made rifles left? Good heavens! I never expected the Marlin 39 or the 9422 to be discontinued.


Yea there is as GB stated it is the Henry! There is absolutly nothing wrong with these guns. I have talked to guys that have Erma's and Ithica's ( Mod 72) that date back to the 70's that still use them and shoot them so so much for the "They will not last BS arguement" The Ithica and Erma are the same gun as the Henry. The father of the President of Henry designed this model and had Erma make it for them who also sold it to Ithica. When these fine folks got their own factory here they started the Henry Brand. They also made the Colt Repo black powder pistols and muskets for Colt for a while. I will put my 22 mag  Henry's accuracy against any 22 mag at 50 yards. They shoot that well. For those who say the sides are alloy and are Ruger fans so is your beloved 10/22. The important thing is the barrel and bolt are steel and have steel to steel lockup. The big thing about Henry is their customer service. Anthony Imperato the President of Henry bends over backwards to make sure his customers are satisfied. I have seen the feedback on various 22 boards to prove this. Henry is a fine co and I am glad they saw fit to grace these boards as a Sponsor. It is too bad to see Marlin and Winchester discontinue their 22 lever  actions. They were both fine guns. I was told by a gun shop employee who just came back from the shot show Marlin does not keep guns that do not sell well like their very nice but short lived bolt action centerfire or their 22 mag semi auto if sales are down they dump them and concentrate on guns that do sell. Evidently the 39's were not selling as fast as they would have liked. I do not know the retail price of the 39 off hand or of the Winchester but evidently both could not match the sales that Henry is putting out. I think GB hit the nail on the head neither could compete with Henrys prices which are reasonable for a well made gun. I looked at the Winchester 22 mag when I bought my Henry. The Winchesters action was gritty compared to the Henry and the Henrys fit and finish with their nice looking walnut stocks were better than the Winchesters at a better price so it was a no brainer for me to get the Henry. Glad I did it shoots like a dream and very accurate. At 50 yards half inch groups are not a problem if I do my part shooting with ammo the gun likes.
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2005, 05:41:31 PM »
I feel very fortunate to be able to own both the 39A and the 9422.  So will my two sons and grandkids and so on as time passes. Two great MADE IN THE USA  of all steel and walnut,SAD. :shock:  :x

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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2005, 05:48:12 PM »
TeePee, The Henry is MADE IN THE USA also and while the reciever sides are alloy the bolt and of course barrel are steel for a steel to steel lock up and has walnut stocks. That said it still is the sad day the others are not going to be made anymore as not every one likes the same brand of anything and has their fans.Guns and Cars come to mind the most on that subject. Next to what is the best caliber :shock:
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2005, 06:20:58 PM »
I have never said anything bad or good about the HENRY. Guess when I can afford it will get one. Guess you couldn't own to many different lever 22"s. I'm open minded. When I get one  and have had it for a while I will give my thoughts of comparing the three.  :-)

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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2005, 03:03:16 AM »
Quote from: Graybeard
Not so Dali. Henry Repeating Arms an advertiser here at GBO is likely the reason these two are giving up. Just can't compete price wise. There is also the Browning Lever Action still in business.
What do Graybeard mean by "not so," inquire Dali Llama? :?   Dali say he offer no personal opinion or reason in story he post regarding discontinuation of Winchester 9422, so he unsure what be "not so"?
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2005, 05:22:41 AM »
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Never again will you have the opportunity to purchase rifles like these final production 9422s.


My comment was aimed at the above statement by you. True enough the Winchester might go away but there are still lever .22s being made of equal quality and value. That' was my point.


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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2005, 10:56:41 AM »
Quote from: TeePee
I have never said anything bad or good about the HENRY. Guess when I can afford it will get one. Guess you couldn't own to many different lever 22"s. I'm open minded. When I get one  and have had it for a while I will give my thoughts of comparing the three.  :-)


I know that TeePee. I was just commenting that they are made in the USA and that the parts that matter are steel.  :D  :D  :D
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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2005, 01:38:53 AM »
Quote from: Graybeard
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Never again will you have the opportunity to purchase rifles like these final production 9422s.


My comment was aimed at the above statement by you. True enough the Winchester might go away but there are still lever .22s being made of equal quality and value. That' was my point.
Dali Llama say thanks; he do appreciate clarification as to which statement Graybeard be referring. :-)   Dali add that as long as production of Marlin 39 continue, that also prove hyperbole of quoted statement. :grin:
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2005, 03:46:16 PM »
Americans!! if you want to own a brand new 9422 write your congressman and ask them to end that silly Norinco ban. while it's not exactly a winchester it is a clone with all parts interchangable. I must sound like a Norinco salesman, always going on about how great they are,but i can't help it. they are decent guns that with a little work can become great guns. the lever gun holds 15 rounds of .22LR, but takes shorts and longs as well. my friend bought one and the only problems he had where the finish on the stock was a little heavy for his liking, and there was some rough metal around the ejection port, which was solved with a little emory cloth. the price is only $200 Cdn. and it is very accurate. i'm probably going to order one when i buy a norc 1911 as well this summer.
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2005, 04:11:54 PM »
Yea Norinco makes some good guns. Still I would buy a Henry over one of them. Henry has great customer service which you would not get out of a chinese company and I would rather support Made in the USA. Still my Norinco copy of a Walther Target Pistol is a excellent gun! If you can get them in Canada I would snap one up! I would not trade mine or get rid of it. Its a keeper!  :grin:
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2005, 06:12:37 PM »
yeah, customer service is where Norinco comes up short. i agree with the buy domestic theory, and i'd rather have a real Winchester, but with my miniumum wage income Norinco is much more affordable and in some cases " made in the USA" has become a marketing gimmick. here's a pic of the 9422 clone. with a tasco 4X scope we could remove the Colonel's face from a KFC cup at 75 yards.




pretty, huh?
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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2005, 06:26:49 PM »
What will it shoot for groups? My Henry 22 mag will shoot honest under half inch groups at 50 yards. Yea it is a nice looking copy but then the Browning semi auto copy they made unless you looked at it closely looked just like a Browning also. I bought one but sold it when I got divorced. I should have kept it as at the time they were a 100 bucks and what a deal for a nice semi auto.
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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2005, 06:30:04 PM »
about 1 inch at 75 yards, but neither of use are really great shots. good enough for pop cans and rabbits. could probably do tighter with a better quality scope.
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« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2005, 11:07:28 AM »
Nothing wrong with a inch at 75! Since the standard for most 22's for a accurate gun is a inch at 50 I would not complain with that kind of shooting.
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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2005, 05:27:48 AM »
I bought one of the first 9422 rifles at Red's Trading Post in Twin Falls, Idaho in about 1972. It was a fun rifle, but it seemed every once in a while to spit something in my face, probably from around the firing pin opening. I traded it off.

I still have a Marlin 39-A I bought for my wife before we were married, in 1979. I paid $109 for it, slightly shop-worn, and have loved it ever since. I did have to replace the cartridge cutoff in it this year, as it would try to feed 2 rounds at a time.

I sure am glad it isn't one of the new ones with the cross-bolt safety which makes them look shoddy.

It has always been a fine shooter, as good as any I have owned. I bought one of the little Ruger 96 .22s a while back and enjoy it too. The Marlin has a Williams receiver sight, which makes it just that more accurate.

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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2005, 06:24:28 PM »
My 9422 is my favorite knockaround .22 rifle, and IMO it's the best .22 lever action on the market. I used to bring several in at a time and have them satin hard chromed (all the advantages of stainless without the disadvantages) and we'd sell them pretty quickly. My personal rifle is hard-chromed and is super-easy to clean... the fouling and dirt just sluff out of the action with a little solvent.

I'm going to have to buy a Trapper model while they're still available... and get it hard-chromed.

Re the Henrys... people like 'em and they shoot okay, but you can put one next to a 9422 and see why the latter is worth more. If I could only have one .22 lever-action rifle and my choice was between the 9422 and the Henry it would be no contest.

Re the Norinco knock-offs... I don't buy Chinese guns or ammo, and I try not to buy ANY Chinese material (although that's almost impossible today). A lot of Norinco products are made by prison labor (and a lot of those prisoners are political or religious prisoners). Norinco quality just isn't there, and I don't like giving my money to the Chinese People's Liberation Army (the owners of Norinco). Want more reasons?

The Chinese are using their trade surplus with us to finance their military expansion. They're also selling ballistic missile technology (things like GPS guidance systems, developed after exposure to US consumer GPS manufacturing) to all comers, including the Iranians. And finally, we're probably going to be in a shooting war with China within the next two decades... if not about Taiwan then about something else. I hope I'm wrong and I have nothing against the Chinese people... but the Chinese government's attitude is too much like that of the Japanese government in the 1930s. Remember when they forced down our Navy P3 plane that was flying in international airspace right after W got elected?

There's a reason Norinco and Henry lever actions cost less than 9422s, BL-22s, and 39s... they aren't made to the same quality of materials and workmanship. Yes, they'll probably shoot for decades. I've seen a Hopkins and Allen falling block single shot from the late 1800s that looked nice but was sloppy and loose, and the same goes for some Stevens 44 single-shots... but my original 1885 Low Wall in .22 LR that was made in 1886 is as solid as a brand-new USRAC Low Wall and I've never seen a loose one. I'd make a substantial wager that my 9422 will still be solid in 2095, and that the same can't be said for the Henry.

Folks, buy quality! You'll never regret it! Buy American if you can, because if we don't then how are any of us going to have any jobs?

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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2005, 07:02:38 PM »
also wasn't Winchester counting on the 9422 boostingther reputation again after it took a hit from the slide in quality of the post 64 '94's?
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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2005, 08:53:28 PM »
John Clif, After reading your post I cannot but think of you know little of what you speak. Norinco has made some very nice "Knockoffs" as you call them. My Copy of a Walther OLympia is one of them. Noted Pistol shooters also used the Norinco 45's for a base for custom 45's. Jan Liburiel ( SP) one of them. Most Henry rifles will shoot as good or better then any other lever 22. I will put my 22 mag against any 22 rifle at 50 yards my preferred range for 22 shooting. Your comment about the win being tight and the Henry loose  after x amount of years is BS and a favorite comment of the folks who cannot stand to see the Henry outsell their favorite brand. I have talked to guys who have the Ithica and Erma made Lever guns that are the for runners of the Henry before they were made here. These guns were made in the 70's and are still as tight today as when they were bought so, so much for that arguement. As far as you "Buy American Comments that is a thing of the past as even American stuff is mostly made overseas now if I had to buy Only American I would not have much. And the stuff I would have would be a overinflated Unionized Price. Hey I hate to see any gun model disapear.  If the 9422 disapears that is too bad. But then I felt that way when we lost the excellent copy of the Browning semi auto 22 that Norinco was importing into this country. I found out a long time ago buying the "brand" does not neccessarally mean you are getting the best buy or product. In some cases you do some you do not. The only thing the 9422 has over the Henry is a steel reciever over a alloy one and you know what if that was a issue than there would have never been a 10/22 sold. The Henry bolt and barrel are steel for a steel to steel lockup and really folks considering the power of the 22 or even the mag you really do not need a all steel gun to get the job done the alloy framed semi autos that have been made for years have proven that. Yea a all steel gun is nice but ever consider the price of making that all steel gun is now days cost prohibitive considering guns like the Henry and the Ruger and Marlins are out selling it and that is why its demise?
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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2005, 10:30:40 AM »
Boy, people take it personally if someone says something that could be considered detrimental about their firearms. Don't hate me because I may disagree with you.

We all know there is a difference in quality between a Winchester 9422, or a Colt 1911A1, or a Browning .22 Auto, and the corresponding Norinco clone, a difference that is quickly evident when comparing the products. That difference lies in the quality of the workmanship and materials. It is up to the individual to decide whether the difference in quality is worth the difference in price. If the prices were equivalent, Norinco would not be able to compete in the marketplace.

My reasons for not buying Norincos, and for urging others not to, is based primarily on ideological grounds, and I came to this position after selling Norinco products for a couple of years and then learning more about the company and its practices. I don't like buying from people who don't like me, who don't compete fairly on trade with my country, who use slave labor to keep their costs down (and thus don't compete fairly), and who use the profits to strengthen a military that has recently attacked my country and that we will probably be fighting. YMMV.

Yes, Wilson's has made custom .45s from Norinco slides and frames... but when you consider that you can buy a Caspian slide and frame for $50 more, why would any sensible person want to save $50 on a $2,000 handgun? I think the Norinco thing was a stunt, done by Wilson to make a point (that his gunsmithing operation could even turn a Norinco into a beautiful handgun). I can tell you that about the only Norinco parts left in that gun were the slide and frame, and they were 'gunsmithed' to tighten the slide-to-frame fit.

Re the chances of an all-steel gun being tighter than an alloy gun after extensive use... not only does it stand to reason but it has been proven true in my limited experience. I have seen Ithaca 49s (the single-shot, Erma-made, lever action-styled, Martini-based .22 rifle) that were made in the 1970s and had been fired tens of thousands of rounds... and there was considerable slop in the action. I also own a couple of Winchester 67A single-shot bolt action .22s that were made in the 1950s, and even though they had seen extensive use and some neglect before I obtained them, the steel bolt is still as tight in the steel receiver as the day it left the factory, and they are among my favorite .22s for plinking. The Henry does have a steel bolt and a steel barrel, and that's good. However, that bolt travels in an alloy receiver, and the lever pin goes through that alloy receiver, and eventually with use the bolt raceway and the lever pin hole will wear more than steel because it's softer. And, unlike a semiauto like the 10/22, the forces exerted by the shooter of a lever action are more stressful on the gun. We work the lever until it comes to a stop so there is always extra force exerted on the lever pin even if the breechblock has reached the limit of travel and these forces will slowly wear the lever pin hole on any lever action.

Will the guy who shoots several boxes of ammo a year ever notice it? Probably not. Will the guy who shoots a brick of ammo a month notice it? Most likely within a decade. Will the guy who puts one up as a rental gun at an indoor range notice? Definitely, and fairly quickly. Does that make the Henry a "bad" gun? No. It makes the Henry a good choice for someone who isn't going to shoot a lot and who wants a nice-looking gun at a good price. The Henry advantage is that they built a rifle that functions and fires smoothly, is pleasing to the eye, that sells at a substantial discount from the current sea of .22 lever actions, and that will suffice for casual shooters.

I would sell, and have sold, Henry rifles. It is a decent product sold by a decent company. I also realize that it is a product made at a price point for a segment of the market that I do not fall in. Norinco products are also made at a price point for a segment of the market that I do not fall in... but I don't believe Norinco is a decent company.

Ideologically, I would much rather a person buy a Henry rifle than a Norinco rifle, for the reasons listed above. Pragmatically, I still favor the Winchester, Browning, and Marlin lever actions. I found that the majority of the latter went to the more experienced shooters who had wanted one for a while and who were willing to spend the extra money because they felt they were making a long-term investment, while a lot of newbies bought the Henrys because of the price. Generally, both types of shooters were satisfied.

BTW, I also like CZ, Ruger, Savage, Mossberg, and other manufacturers who make less-expensive guns, even though I might or might not personally choose their products, because the expected level of quality for price is there and these companies support their customers. (Actually I think that CZ offers some outstanding values.)

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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2005, 02:36:27 PM »
John Why would I hate you I do not even know you I am just disagreeing with your post. Further more you add more half truths to your new one that I see all the time. The Erma Made Ithica was the Model 72 Repeater which was a lot nicer and totally different gun than the Ithica Mod 49 a Martini style action single shot. The 49's by the way were a 50/50 proposition the ones that are still working are ok guns but a lot were not destined to make the grade either. Still a lot of folks call that gun the Erma Styled Henry and it is not Not even close. Take a look at a gun guide first before making such a comment. You were clouding the issue with a totally different gun that has no history with the Erma 712 or the Ithica 72.  Your comments on the Henrys shooting a lot of ammo are unfounded also as folks have put these through torture test to see if they would hold up and they did.  I am not a Ruger fan as folks know from reading my post here I think their quality control stinks. I think the 10/22 could be more accurate out of the box also. I will say that it is a damn good design that as far as functioning goes is about flawless. ALl with a aluminum alloy reciever that has a bolt slamming a lot more than  the abuse a Henry lever gets. Still this post is not all about the Henry. Your comments about China may be well deserved but if that is the case the way you think than I guess I should not have the German Mausers, The Russian Mosin Nagants, and other milsurps that had have had a checkered past in history?????? I may not agree with China's politics nor does our Gov at this time but If I find a deal on a good gun I will buy it. And between you and me ban against China was just a other way for Clinton to ban guns here. Unfortunately Bush has not recinded that.  As far as your newby comments on the owners of Henry guns being Newbys I fired my first shot over 44 years ago and have been shooting since then from Pistols to rifles and shotguns from 22 to 45/70  plus archery hunting and I have put a lot of ammo down range, paper and animals and I hardly consider my self a Newby Yet I still bought a Henry as well as lots of other expirienced shooters have. You can call it what you want but we are not all newby shooters that own Henry rifles.  Oh and comparing a Lever gun that is nothing like the Henry to a Bolt action rifle is kinda like oranges and apples isn't it. One other thing I own a Winchester Post 94 made in 64. Yea it is not as nice as a pre model by any means but it shoots as accurate and gets the job done so what more can I ask than that.  Not every one can afford the best or at least the best as some may percieve or they for personal reasons like something else. I have gone through a few 22's since I have started shooting including at least a half a dozen 10/22's one a Target model. Out of all of them the target model included could not begin to shoot as accurately as the Romanian trainer I now shoot. Would I buy a other 10/22 maybe if the price was right but I see no great magic in them as some do. To me there are better and more interesting guns out there. Better to me and more interesting to me to some others they may completely disagree.  I shoot mostly at 50 yards with a 22. That is where most of my hunting ranges are also for rimfire as I hunt in wooded areas. My Henry 22 mag at 50 yards with ammo it liked put 5 shots under a half inch one was a flyer otherwise it would have been a ragged 30 cal hole. I see nothing wrong with that kind of accuracy at 50 yards from any rimfire no matter what action or brand it may be. My Romanian 69 will shoot just as accurate with ammo it likes.  My Norinco Walther Olympic Copy is made as well as any other target pistol I have seen. I have a friend who has both a origional Walther and the Norinco copy he said their is no difference as far as accuracy goes they both shoot dang well.
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Winchester Says Good-Bye To The 9422
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2005, 02:43:08 PM »
I forgot to address your Wilson claims. Lots more folks than Wilson used these guns for a start of a custom gun just look at the gun mags from that era you will see lots of folks did. I had a Norinco 45 that I traded off in a fit of ticked off as my ex had bought it for me and In a fit of anger I traded it off. The gun owner after rubbed salt into the wounds by saying why did you ever get rid of that it is one of the most accurate 45's I have shot and it was it was a really nice gun. I wish today you could still get one I would buy one in a heartbeat. Jim
Said I never had much use for one, never said I didn't know how to use it.

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« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2005, 03:14:22 PM »
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I wish today you could still get one I would buy one in a heartbeat. Jim


move to Canada. $325 +tax. :-D

that is the reason why i would buy a Norinco. as a part time pizza hut worker i don't have a lot of spare cash after paying rent to my parents, my car insurance, internet bill and other expenses and hobbies. a new 94/22 runs for around $500 up here and thats more than i usually clear per check. same with the 1911. i don't like the look of a lot of them, i want a 1911 that looks like it did when they where issued to the military. my only options are the Norinco or the SA milspec GI 1911. ones $325, the other is $675.i still haven't bought a Norinco cause i keep findind better deals, like my Stevens 87 ( which is now at the smiths, Jim, don't you dare say i told you so!) and i probably will end up buying the SA over the Norc because i love the accuracy and performance on my friends Leatham Legend and XD-40. uphere they offer a cheap inroad into the shooting sports when owning a gun in this day and age is expensive and full of hassles.
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« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2005, 07:06:23 PM »
I promise I will not say that to you Kevin.  :)  :)  :)  I am curious what happened with it to be in the shop though? Jim
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« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2005, 11:48:59 PM »
I have a Henry US survival rifle. The magazines give me fits BUT the company has replaced four of them, plus the barrel and stock. Still, I'm going  with a Marlin. One more pay check!

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« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2005, 02:21:04 AM »
Having lived and worked in China......for 18 months......and putting ideology aside, JonClif is right on all points.
 
The chinese worker is paid by age, and everyone makes the same wage.  That said, why work hard for $20 a month when you can make the same thing by doing nothing.  There are serious quality control problems in China, as chinese workers are not motivated by money.......but are highly motivated by there children....
 
I was in China when the ground war started in the Gulf War I.  The Chinese were amazed and terrified by the technology....they had to change military plans and realized that the old plan of overwhelming an enemy with people wouldn't work any more........Now they want the technology, and will lie, cheat, or steal to get it........Copyright means nothing to them......
 
But, that said, being capitalist, and only looking quarter to quarter, it makes sense.......I'm suprised the US government allows the trade situation to exist as it does........
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« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2005, 07:27:07 AM »
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Having lived and worked in China......for 18 months......and putting ideology aside, JonClif is right on all points.
 
The chinese worker is paid by age, and everyone makes the same wage.  That said, why work hard for $20 a month when you can make the same thing by doing nothing.  There are serious quality control problems in China, as chinese workers are not motivated by money.......but are highly motivated by there children....
 
I was in China when the ground war started in the Gulf War I.  The Chinese were amazed and terrified by the technology....they had to change military plans and realized that the old plan of overwhelming an enemy with people wouldn't work any more........Now they want the technology, and will lie, cheat, or steal to get it........Copyright means nothing to them......
 
But, that said, being capitalist, and only looking quarter to quarter, it makes sense.......I'm suprised the US government allows the trade situation to exist as it does........


THe Chinese are notorious for making crappy tools. I stand by my comments though that some of their guns are well made. It all may depend on the company importing and exporting them but what I have seen that their guns are of decent quality. Your guys argument is no different than the ones that used to be FN or Jap Brownings. Yea the FN may have been a little better or at least in the minds of some but the tag still said Browning. In this case the guns are copies but well made copies no different than the Clones that used to come from South America and now are respected companies ( Taurus and Rossi)
Said I never had much use for one, never said I didn't know how to use it.