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Offline hicard

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« on: February 10, 2005, 02:41:50 PM »
I just ordered an upper for my AR-15 in 6.8 Rem SPC and am looking for a source for ammo.  Anyone able to help me?

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Look at Thompson Center's 2005 Catalog
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2005, 01:48:49 PM »
hicard, in the above catalog, Thompson is offering this round loaded by Hornady.  I would try Hornady, as well.  Good Luck.  Joe

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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2005, 02:31:33 PM »
hicard, let us know how you like the set up when you do get everything together and do shoot it !
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2005, 11:49:03 AM »
Quote from: Jessica at Remington; Discussion Thread


Discussion Thread
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Response (Jessica) - 02/14/2005 08:58 AM
Dear Joel,

Thank you for your inquiry.  We have not began shipping the 6.8 ammunition at
this time.  We must first fill all government contacts on this ammunition before
we can ship it to the retail market place.

You can view the current Remington rebate or promotional offers at the following
section of the Remington website.


There ya have it. Take care.  :D
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2005, 03:24:31 AM »
I was able to get my hands on 200 empty cases and am real pleased with the accuracy and potential of this round, upper combination.  Almost like shooting a semi auto 30-30.  The v-max 110's made one hole at 50 yds.

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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2005, 03:10:26 PM »
sounds like .243 results from a .270 cartridge. i dont see the big deal. all the guys who rail against the .243's 100 grain bullet seem to think the 6.8mm's 100 grainer can go through an engine block. what gives?

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edited...let me say LESS than .243 now that i read a ballistics chart.
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2005, 05:13:06 AM »
"i dont see the big deal" - First, I'll give you some history, you have to keep in mind what the 6.8 Rem SPC was created for.  It was designed in conjunction with some special forces individuals who desired an "uprgade" to the 5.56x45, or as it is commercially known as the .223 Remington.  The intent of the 6.8 was to improve lethality from short barreled m-4 rifles on close range targets, and increase lethality on long range targets with a longer barreled m-16.  You see, the .223 does well out to 400 meters when shot out of an m-16 that has a 20" barrel, but you shorten the barrel to 16", or even in some cases 10.5", and that little bullet never gets up to the desired velocity that made it effective out of 20" barreled rifles.  The 6.8 improves the lethality over the 5.56 in both short barrel, close quarters rifles and long range, medium length barrels.  

Second, the 6.8 was designed to operate out of an m-16 type weapon, and therefore needed an overall length to be as short as the 5.56x45.  The .243 Win, as you know, was based off of the .308 Win (which is the civilianized version of the 7.62x51 NATO).  But neither can be fired through the ar-15/m-16 action.  They are just too long.

Third, you suggested that it had inferior ballistics to the .243 and yet proponents of the 6.8 infer that it has exceptional capabilities.  Well, they are both right, depending on your point of view, and point of view is everything when implying one thing is better than another.  Yes, the .243 has better velocity (and maybe energy, I don't know off the top of my head, my reloading manuals arn't close by).  And yet, the 6.8 is capable of some things, that I guess, some would deem incredible.  I just look at it for what it is, an improvement over the 5.56x45.  But I will admit, the 6.8 fan club definitely likes to hype it up.  

Fourth, I don't care what cartridge you use, SHOT PLACEMENT is the key.  Arguably, the cartridge that has killed more game and people in the US is the 22 long rifle.  If you don't hit the vitals, you have wasted a round  and an opportunity.  I don't subscribe to the notion that you have to have super velocity or "magnum" capability.  My favorit deer round is the 300 savage.  Not exactly a barn burner in the velocity catagory, but kills a Mule deer just as dead at 200 yards as any "magnum" round.  In my observations, anyone who states that a 100 grain bullet is not satisfactory for deer, is usually lacking in skill as a hunter and a rifleman (sorry, that cranky jar-head in me flares up from time to time)  Shot placement is the key.

And finally, Remington is completely screwing up on this.  The ammo availability is a HUGE problem.  It has been for well over a year now, and who knows when that will be improved.  I would personally recomend to anyone the 6.5 Grendel over the 6.8 Rem SPC any day.  Not only is it balistically superior, there is no ammo and brass problem.  They are readily available now.  I would much rather shoot when I want to, then wait for an unknown length of time in order to maybe, someday get some ammo or brass.  Sorry if I got a little long winded.
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2005, 05:38:24 AM »
Quote from: JPSaxMan
Quote from: Jessica at Remington; Discussion Thread



We must first fill all government contacts on this ammunition before
we can ship it to the retail market place.



What a Crock of Manure....The Military is having nothing to do with this thing.
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2005, 09:56:14 AM »
Whadaya mean the military has nothing to do with it? They're manufacturing the ammunition for military use?!?!
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2005, 01:45:48 PM »
Bull.
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2005, 01:51:45 PM »
Hehehe...you're a funny guy Robert, you really are a joker :)  :grin:

At least I hope you're kidding...otherwise I'll have to find the article out of I think it was Guns & Ammo Magazine where they put it in print how the 6.8mm is the new military cartridge.  :D
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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2005, 02:04:16 PM »
The latest issue of the American Rifleman (June), states that the round was developed by Remington, working in conjunction with Army Special Forces and the Army Marksmanship Unit at Fort Benning, GA.
I'll buy that.
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2005, 02:22:34 PM »
I think Robert was just pulling our leg...or believes of some national conspiracy with Remington... :?
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2005, 02:39:42 PM »
mastiff-

i realize all of what you have said is relevant, but my point was that as a SPORTING choice, it lacks a lot and fills no niche that a 6mm or a .243 cant comfortably fill.

i was referring to how quickly some guys jumped on board the bandwagon about how good it is on deer-sized game and yet are the same people who think the .243 isnt useful on the same animal, just because the 6.8 is the new acrtridge. as if the .243 has lost something with age?? lol

and yes, it does lack the enery AND velocity. i believe the energy is something like 200 foot pounds more for the .243 throughout the ballistics chart.

not trying to stir anything up, just my opinion. i knew what the 6.8 was meant to do, and i am sure it fits that role just fine. i wont, however, be reaching for one this fall. :)

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« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2005, 04:24:58 AM »
mjbgalt,
I think it does fill a niche in the sporting market.  But that is the only place I disagree with you on.  There are quite a few people that enjoy hunting with the AR platform.  And if I had a little girl I was teaching how to shoot and hunt, the 6.8 would be a good place to start.  I would of course, bypass the 6.8 REM SPC and go to the 6.5 Grendel, but that is another topic.  

But, I completely agree that their are people that over hype the 6.8, and want to slam other cartridges.  Some of them are like children just before christmas, they want to have a new toy, and the old one just doesn't work any more, and billy joe bob's daddy bought him one.  :)  It is a capable cartridge, just not as perfect as they would want you to believe.

And I too get a little riled up when I hear (or read) people say that the 243 (6 mm) isn't adequate for deer hunting.  I just don't hold alot of weight in some one's opinion if they start spouting their so called expert advice.  To me, that just signals their lack of ability as a hunter and a rifleman.  Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement.  

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« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2005, 05:52:06 AM »
How many people have a factory chambered 6.8 SPC
In Contender    
  100%  [ 1 ]
Remington's new Alaskan Wilderness Rifle    
  0%  [ 0 ]
Other (not a rechamber)    
  0%  [ 0 ]
 
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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2005, 11:33:08 AM »
And this means what?
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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2005, 12:04:40 PM »
Meaning 'One Year Later'....where are they?
  Once again....I also need to make it clear that I WOULD like to have one.  One More Year from now...if these things are happening...I would be happy to eat crow and admit my error.  But meanwhile....please excuse me for playing 'Devil's Advocate'.  I was also amongst the doubters with the long awaited G-2 Thompson.  But it looks like they are working nicely...just took them a long time to work out the kinks.  I hope that is also the case with the SPC.
  P.S.  Maybe if enough of us call their bluff...possibly they will get off their 'laurels' and get this thing going.  Also....nobody in the military that I have spoken to has seen anything of this new round....OR a weapon chambered for it.
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« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2005, 05:04:04 AM »
Robert----Unless the 5th SFGA has changed their ways since Vietnam, they do not share everything they are testing with the rest of the Army or civilians-----and that is a good thing.
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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2005, 03:11:18 PM »
What gives? They only sell it in  a rifle from the Custom Shop? I guess it makes sene since everyone is shoving short mags on the market. I guess I;ll be the only one left killing deer with plain old lackluster rounds like the .260 and 308. Still no kevlar or Lazarus subspecies white tail where I live

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« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2005, 04:42:45 PM »
Nah Rich, I'll be joining you with my good old .243 (yes I know it's Winchester, shoot me :roll:)  :D
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« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2005, 09:40:51 AM »
I agree that the .243 is a great caliber.  It is actually my favorite.  Still I like to have variety.   I think this new round is very interesting and the barrel life would probably be much longer than a .243.  I may be wrong I am no physicist or ballistician.  
So all of this clamor and Remington has not offered this caliber in gun other than thier AWR which is out of many people's price range including my own.  This one may die just like the 6mm Remington did when Big Green did not produce rifles in a faster twist rate.  We'll have to see.  In the mean time I will continue to shoot my .243 Win.