Author Topic: Calf Rope! Enough is enough. (Read 1868 times)

wareagleguy · « **on:** February 14, 2005, 02:49:12 PM »

After hearing on Fox news that Bush is asking for ANOTHER 83 Billion on top the the 2.5 TRILLION he is asking in the budget I must ask.

When is enough a enough?

Is everyone willing to let this continue? Got how much money is going to be the limit for you? Mine has lone come and gone.

Leverdude · « **Reply #1 on:** February 14, 2005, 02:56:00 PM »

Ditto what he said.

FWiedner · « **Reply #2 on:** February 14, 2005, 03:08:21 PM »

I decided that election night last November was "when".

I voted for someone else.

This business is plainly out of control, and I question our President's sanity.

chuckles · « **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2005, 04:49:16 AM »

I see the spending breakdown includes $250 million for the Palestinians, (aren't they terrorists?), $950 million for aid to Tsunami survivors, and the "measly" sum of only $658 million to build a new US embassy in Baghdad. :shock: Somebody has lost their marbles with this. Social security is almost bankrupt and we are going to spend ridiculous sums everywhere in the world where the US is considered the "greatest evil the world has ever known". What is GWB thinking? I would think $1million for the Iraq embassy is plenty. After all, they are going to throw us out and declare us as "enemies of the true prophet" within a couple of years. The US embassy there will be a warehouse when we're gone. I never thought I'd say this but I actually agree with FW on this one. :?

Leverdude · « **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2005, 10:23:39 AM »

I may be backwards but it seems we oughta ballance our own budget before we give out one red cent. Be a good idea to give Iraq a bill for our work there too. If we're gonna use our military as mercinaries for these people we should get paid. JMHO

Varminter · « **Reply #5 on:** February 15, 2005, 10:37:03 AM »

O MY GOD.............Finally some people have come to their senses. Leverdude you are exactly right. Where were all the other countries when we were hit with 9/11. They sat back and laughed the whole time. The tsunami hits in asia and Gw decides to give money.......can't remeber the exact amount but the UN basically called this country stingy. So what does GW do he hands over MORE money. Damn fine job your doing moron. This country is so far into debt and GW isn't doing a damn thing about. Social Security is bankrupted and what does he do he funds money to Palestine(good for nothing TERRORISTS) They have money let them fund their own country. When they receive the money they act they're our best friends then the next week they screw us over.
When are people gonna wise up and realize that this country is not gonna last much longer with GW as the president.

Major · « **Reply #6 on:** February 15, 2005, 10:53:03 AM »

Quote from: Leverdude

I may be backwards but it seems we oughta ballance our own budget before we give out one red cent. Be a good idea to give Iraq a bill for our work there too. If we're gonna use our military as mercinaries for these people we should get paid. JMHO

Well, they had an "Oil for food" program there once, maybe we can set up an "Oil for freedom" program now to pay us back. There are so many people that think that is why we went there anyway.

fe352v8 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 15, 2005, 11:20:09 AM »

Be carful I've learned that you can be accused of starting flame wars if your critical of GWB policies. Does not seem like either party is familiar with the truth. Oh well got to go mortage my kids future and pick some more off the money tree.

life is no joke but funny things happen

jon

Leverdude · « **Reply #8 on:** February 15, 2005, 11:30:04 AM »

Quote from: Major

Quote from: Leverdude
I may be backwards but it seems we oughta ballance our own budget before we give out one red cent. Be a good idea to give Iraq a bill for our work there too. If we're gonna use our military as mercinaries for these people we should get paid. JMHO

Well, they had an "Oil for food" program there once, maybe we can set up an "Oil for freedom" program now to pay us back. There are so many people that think that is why we went there anyway.

In all seriousness that is why we care what happens over there, oil. Lotsa different pissant third world countries around the world with nutcase dictators that kill just like these scumbags do but we dont much care as it doesnt affect us. Shouldnt either, thats what charities are for not treasuries.
Send Sally Struthers to Iraq. :-D

Shorty · « **Reply #9 on:** February 15, 2005, 12:29:52 PM »

I'm not making excuses for the current budget, but you must admit that a billion dollars doesn't go very far today. :wink:
Some senator once said, "A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon you're talkin' real money".
Those figures being given to less than friendly countries are probably no bigger than has been happening for years. We've been paying off the Egyptians, Syrians, Palestinians and Israelis for decades.

Leverdude · « **Reply #10 on:** February 15, 2005, 12:38:09 PM »

Dunno Shorty, A billion would set me up for quite awhile. :-D
Look at it this way, how many people are in the US? Bet a couple billion cut up between the citizens of OUR land would put a couple thousand in everyones pocket.
Seriously tho where do you guys think that money comes from?
I for one dont much like giving up dern near a third of what I make just to have it sent away.

Heck, if a theres that much money left over to give away income tax shouldnt even be mandatory.

truckah · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2005, 03:35:22 PM »

Our president is adept at two things, saying what he thinks and spending money. he thinks men should be free, and so do i. he spends to much money on social programs, i agree. if we cut entitlements the budget will shrink. yeah....thats the ticket. :lol:

-dan

powderman · « **Reply #12 on:** February 15, 2005, 03:51:24 PM »

I support GW in most everything but I say screw the palestinians. Let them save their bomb money and buy food instead. I used to feel sorry for them,not anymore. I hope those Godless scum get what they deserve. POWDERMAN. :x :x :x :x :x :x

Varminter · « **Reply #13 on:** February 16, 2005, 09:58:25 AM »

Not to bring up another fire fight but back to the last election. I voiced my opinion before but here it goes again. GW DOES NOT NEED TO BE IN OFFICE. i just don't think he realizes what exactly is going is this country. He himself is probably a really nice guy and one i would personally get along with but i think he sorrounds himself with the wrong people. I don't think Kerry cou;d have done a better job either, only God knows what kind of hell he would have put this country through if had was in office. But Gw doesn't need to be in office.

jh45gun · « **Reply #14 on:** February 16, 2005, 04:12:35 PM »

Drew, Not to be disrespectful but I will respect your opinion more when you are old enough to vote. At 17 like most kids I figured I knew everything. When I got older and wiser to the ways of the world I found out that I was not as smart as I thought I was at 17. As do most folks when they get older. I disagree with you about Bush! Agree with you about Kerry. Bush may not be perfect but he is a darn sight better than any Liberal Democrat! :wink:

Gunsmoke · « **Reply #15 on:** February 16, 2005, 05:46:25 PM »

Amen to Jh45gun and Powderman!

Varminter · « **Reply #16 on:** February 17, 2005, 01:16:14 PM »

that's what's wrong with all you old farts you don't respect younger people's opinion. You think that since we are not old enough to vote that we don't know what the hell we are talkin about. BULL. You don't know if i am going to major in political science in college, you have know idea about how invovled i could be in politics. You old timers are so set in your ways that you don't give us younger folks an oppritunity to voice what we have learned through research and the studying of current events. And when you think we say we have done research you think that all we have learned has been the views of the liberal media. YOU"RE WRONG. some people my be that way but not me. Just because i'm young doesn't mean i don't know what i'm talkin about. Age is just a number. You old timers need to respect the younger generation coming up. Just because we're young doesn't mean jack ****.

(this is not directed to any one member in general, but to every person that doubts us)

Leverdude · « **Reply #17 on:** February 17, 2005, 01:34:11 PM »

Read what he said & then read your post Varminter.
Every 17 year old what ever was thought he knew it all & your post shows this. No one said you were stupid & if your a political science major then thats a fine thing IMO but dont forget that LIVING in this world & seeing firsthand how things turn out in different circumstances is where your school learning & research comes from. The older ones have seen & lived what you read & learn about.
Have some respect Sonny.

Varminter · « **Reply #18 on:** February 17, 2005, 01:58:47 PM »

That's just it i respect them, deeply i do but when they push us to the side and don't listen to what we have to say, that's when the **** hits the fan. I understand personal experience has alot to do with this but there is no reason not the fully respect my opinion and listen whole heartedly to what i have to say. When an old timer speaks of personal experiences growing up i shut my trap and listen up so i don't make the same mistake myself. But you all are so set in your ways that you think the misguided youth of the day doesn't know what their talking about, well if you would shut up for 2 seconds and actually listen to what we have to say you too might actually learn something.

FWiedner · « **Reply #19 on:** February 17, 2005, 02:04:53 PM »

Hey Varminter;

I wouldn't worry about the respect thing. All that guff is coming from those experienced old farts who have put the world in the shape you see it in now. Our nation and every nation that the U.S. is associated with is on the verge of civil war.

Nice, huh?

Enjoy cleaning up the mess made by your "elders". I hope your generation has got what it takes.

Varminter · « **Reply #20 on:** February 17, 2005, 02:09:47 PM »

me too. I just hope i can make it better for my children than they have made it for me

fe352v8 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 17, 2005, 03:41:17 PM »

Varminter,

Do not worry, the older you get the smarter your elders will become. My parents were probably the stupidest people in the world , for the first 35 years of my life. After having children I noticed my parents IQs increasing, and my children were pointing out my declining intellectual abilities.

Every proceeding generation wants to make the world a better safer place for their off-spring. My grand father fought the war to end all wars, my father fought to make the world safe for democracy, I fought to end communist aggression, and now my son is fighting to end terrorism.

Maybe he will succeed where his predecessors failed, but regardless we tried our best. I hope the coming generations will be smarter, and make better choices then we did. So good luck Varminter, and when you have children be nice to them, or they will put you in a really bad retirement home.

life is no joke but funny things happen.

jon

truckah · « **Reply #22 on:** February 19, 2005, 02:21:29 AM »

isn't it grand that every young man who thinks he has the answers to the worlds ills can loudly voice his opinions in the greatest nation in the history of the world without fear of harm.
-dan

magooch · « **Reply #23 on:** February 19, 2005, 04:40:48 AM »

I'm not at all happy about the size of the budget, nor do I agree with how a lot of the money is being spent, but as much as many here are critical of the Presidents proposals, there are even more with louder voices who would attack George Bush if he were to submit the kind of budget that would make you guys happy.

I've been around long enough and watched politics very closely and if anyone thinks they are ever going to agree with everything that our government does, they're living in a fantasy. This doesn't mean we should roll over and just accept it. Write your Congressman and Senators. You can even drop a line to the President.

I write to my Congressman/Senators and I have even sent the President e-mails. I don't kid myself by thinking that my stuff gets read by these people, but I do get responses.

I know that you all know that the President only proposes; the Congress disposes. The President can ask for the moon and in his position it is sometimes the best strategy to do so. I don't agree with that strategy, but I'm not the President. He has to appear to be throwing everyone a bone. Congress has to make the tough choices; it's too bad that they are collectively unable to be any more frugal than the President. Anyway, that's the system we have; it's not perfect by a long ways, but I think it's the best in the world.

Our leaders didn't get there by accident; they were elected by the most grueling process that exists. No one can say that they didn't have a choice, or that the candidates weren't closely examined.

I for one am thankful that George Bush is at the helm, and not that stuffed shirt, sKerry.

jh45gun · « **Reply #24 on:** February 19, 2005, 05:41:58 PM »

Like all old farts if you can call me that at 52 I was once your age and had the same attitude you do now. Remember this post and think back on it 30 years from now! See what you think then. You have to earn respect and at 17 you are just getting started and got a long ways to go in education wether it be in a school yet or the school of hard knocks. Respect kids yea I do when they show me they are trying to learn the ropes and listen to what maturity has to teach them instead of lipping off with a smart mouth. Lots of good kids out there but there are also a bunch of useless bums who float through the system that our society created. Kids who through the system were never punished either by their parents when they did wrong or by the school because a bunch of liberals thought time out was a appropriate punishment. I am not saying that any kid should have to suffer child abuse but a good crack on the butt never hurt anyone. A lot of these same bums who never got disiplined now sit in prison wondering what happened and went wrong because they never had to deal with any authority because the liberals took that away from the teachers and the parents. When they hit the real world they learned sometimes too late. ( I bet you know a lot of kids who you can think of that fit this catagory) Since you evidently like to hunt and like guns I am sure you are a good young adult and not in the last catagory. You just need some years under your belt to under stand what some of us "Old Farts" are talking about. I do not think there is a adult here who does not feel you have the right of your opinion or your postings here and are glad you are here as you are the future of hunting and of our nation. Just do not write us " Old Farts" off as not knowing anything and we do not have the answers. They may not fit with your ideals but when you get older your ideals may change to a different ideal as many of us have changed from when we were 17.

jh45gun · « **Reply #25 on:** February 19, 2005, 05:45:52 PM »

Fred just about the time I think there is hope for you, you post a post like you just did which is BS! :x :x :x

williamlayton · « **Reply #26 on:** February 20, 2005, 02:36:20 AM »

There is a truth to what FW has said, and, well, er, WE ARE RESONSIBLE. Maybe not the one that made the decisions that has got us in this spot, however: it is our collective thoughts and attitudes that has/have contributed to it.
Blessings

powderman · « **Reply #27 on:** February 20, 2005, 04:11:11 AM »

JH45GUN. Agreed Sir. I'm also curious how we got a 17 year old mod on this board? Heading for church, later. POWDERMAN.

jh45gun · « **Reply #28 on:** February 20, 2005, 10:43:52 AM »

Powderman as far as I know GB does not have any age limits here as long as he does his job nothing to worry about. Jim

RaySendero · « **Reply #29 on:** February 20, 2005, 02:44:26 PM »

Jim,
You and powderman are right on! Keep up the good work. Basically, the kid don't know any better and don't know he don't know any better. The other two liberals are old farts too. Just went liberal/wrong somewhere along the way! :mrgreen:

PS: "A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him toward the left." Ecclesiastes 10:2