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Offline Wad

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Savage 99 problems
« on: February 14, 2005, 04:30:19 PM »
Gents,
New to this forum.  Lots of great info here.  

I have a 99  in .308 which I am about ready to get rid of - looking for some help since I like the look/ weight/ caliber & etc.
1) After firing even the first couple of rounds, the point of impact starts to travel.  I believe it to be because of the two-piece wooden stock inherent to lever action rifles.  When I take the forearm off and fire it, the point of impact doesn't travel.  Any cures for this?
2) I tried a Hornady "Lite-Magnum".  After firing, the brass stuck in the bore.  Could not extract it.  Had to use a rod to tap out.  Can this be fixed by having the chamber polished by a gunsmith?
I know that using something less potent than the light magnum rounds would fix the 2nd problem, but I want to use it as an elk rifle and the extra ft-lbs wouldn't hurt.

Thanks for the help.

Wad

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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2005, 07:39:11 AM »
These are not typical for the model 99 from my experience.  I have several and they have all given me good service over the years.  My 30 cal. is in 300 Savage and not 308 but I have not had these problems.

In regards to the forearm problem, does your rifle appear to have a replacement forearm that perhaps the previous owner didn't fit properly causing a tension between the barrel and forearm?  When you remove the forearm screw, does the forearm appear to bind or show signs of misfit? Are there signs of interference on the forearm where it meets the barrel?

On the chamber or extraction problem, I have not heard of a chamber problem unless the rifle was not properly cared for in a previous life or loaded with bad ammunition.  You can check the chamber with a bore light for major flaws. If it is dark and shows signs of surface rust you can have the chamber polished. If really serious you may opt to sell the rifle to an informed party or make a swap with a gunsmith. My guess is the chamber is probably fine but your rifle may not like heavy loads.  You can check your extractor to ensure there is no damage or excessive wear which would cause an extraction problem as well.

I load standard factory velocities in my 300 and it shoots very well. While the receiver of the Model 99 is reasonably strong by design, I don't push mine above standard pressures.  I'm not familiar with Hornady's "Light Magnums" but this may be a little more than the model 99 enjoys.  Try a good standard load and it may be back to normal operation.

Sorry to hear about your problems. My model 99s have provided many a deer for my family over the years and wouldn't trade them away.  I hope you can get a handle on these problems.  Keep the faith!

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2005, 04:00:42 PM »
Thanks for the reply.

The forearm slips on & off easily without binding.  No unusual signs of wear points either on the metal or the wood.  I don't think it is a replacement - but tough to tell.  The wood shows more wear & use than the blueing does by far.

There may be a hint of dark in the bore.  I will likely take it to a gunsmith to have him polish it.  Unable to detect any problems with the extractor either.  This is something I will have to ask the smith about. I suspect that as you mention, the rifle just favors a lighter load. This being secondary to the problem with the "travelling" point of impact.  Nothing worse than having doubt about where the rifle is going to hit when it's not due to my own shortcomings.

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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2005, 09:30:52 PM »
It sounds like, as your rifle's barrel heats up due to being fired, it begins to bind against the forearm... and this changes the bullet's point of impact.

The more you shoot the rifle, the hotter the barrel gets, the more the barrel binds on the forearm wood and the more the bullet's point of impact changes.  You proved this is the problem by removing the forearm... and once it was removed, the point of impact stopped changing.

The "fix" is to relieve the pressure at the point(s) where the warm/hot barrel is binding against the wood of the forearm as the barrel heats up.  This is done by sanding the wood in the forearm's barrel channel away, using fine sandpaper wrapped around a round piece of wood of an appropriate size, until the warm/hot barrel no longer binds against the wood.  It will then be necessary to seal the raw wood with a recognized sealing agent of your choice.

A good gunsmith can do this for you... or you can do it for yourself.  BE CAREFUL NOT TO OVERDO THE SANDING if you do it yourself.

The Model 99 action is a very strong action and should easily withstand any "high energy" or "light magnum" type loads from Federal or Hornady.  However, it sounds like you might have a rough chamber due to a lack of proper care by a former owner.

This problem can  be checked out and, if required, easily rectified by a qualified gunsmith who will probably find it necessary to polish & smooth up the inside of the chamber.  The point is to POLISH the inside of the chamber without increasing it's size.  A qualified gunsmith will understand this and do the job properly.

Once these two relatively minor problems are solved, your Model 99 should shoot quite well.

My own 1953 Model 99 "EG" in .300 Savage (the cartridge from which the .308 Win. was developed) consistently shoots maximum loads consisting of 41.5 grains of IMR4895 behind a 150 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip bullets and sparked by a standard Winchester large rifle primer in once-fired Winchester cases into 3/4 of an inch at 100 yards.  The chronographed muzzle velocity of this load averages 2680 fps... and it is undoubtedly close to or at the SAMMI's Average Pressure for a .300 Savage cartridge which is 46,000 C.U.P. ("Copper Units of Pressure").

The .308 Winchester cartridges is loaded to a higher chamber pressure (about 52,000 C.U.P.) and your rifle is designed to withstand the chamber pressure generated by the SAMMI Average Pressure for a .308 Winchester cartridge... the caliber for which it was originally chambered.

Therefore, the use of Federal's "High Energy" or Hornady's "Light Magnum" cartridges should not cause any extraction problems if your rifle's chamber is as smooth as it should be.

Don't give up on your Model 99... it's one of the strongest, finest and most accurate rifles you could own.   :-)


Strength & Honor...

Ron T.
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2005, 03:41:30 PM »
Ron,

Thank you for your advice.  

How you describe the problem with the "travelling" point of impact is spot-on.  I will definitely take it to a gunsmith to see what they can do.

Best case, they fix the issues and I keep a fine rifle.  Worst case, they can't and I'm 'forced' to buy another hunting rifle.  Tough situation...

I'll let you know how it comes out.

Wad

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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2005, 06:39:51 AM »
You didn't say how old your 99 is.  If you have a later one it just might be possible that you have one of the reasons Savage quit making them - they were too expensive to keep doing it right.  I would look for reamer marks in the chamber to help explain the tight cases.  If you see rings in there then you can have them polished out.  

My .300 wanders, too, but it takes about 15 to 18 rounds before this happens due to heat.  This is pretty normal since it ain't no bench rifle like a Garand.  Good thing it only usually takes one shot for elk or deer.

In your case, I'd do what the others have said - check for interference.  You can use a candle and blacken the inside surface of the forend.  Then, go shoot and check for impact marks on the black.

If it's too much hassle, but you still want a 99, consider a .300.  They were beautifully made and the elk won't notice the difference.  I don't know about your area but .300 Savage with 180 grn bullets are all over in the NW.
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2005, 02:09:30 PM »
Wad  I didn't see anything about your sights, just guessed there is a scope involved.  Have you tried another one to see if you have loose x hairs, or loose mounting?  Mine began to wander because it was badly fouled with bullet coating from Winchester Ballistic Silertips.   Put the electric cleaner in it and  subsquent swabbing pulled out an unbelieveable amount of black crud.  I thought I had been cleaning it thoroughly.  Just a thought
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2005, 02:33:42 PM »
Gents,

Thanks for more recommendations.

Not sure about the age.  I bought it (used) about 15 years ago.  Checked on 'Savage99' and it says it was made after 1951.   I can't see anything abnormal in the chamber but I will get a professional opinion on it.

Yes, I have been using a scope.  Two different scopes actually with the same result.  I am pretty confident that the 'wandering' impact is due to the forearm since good consistency was the result when I removed it and fired a box or two.  

I have contacted a local gunsmith about it.  Will pass on what the results may be.

Thanks again.

Wad