qts. on old model and new model

[ggardner]

I have owned a .357 New Model Blackhawk and a .44 Super Blackhawk and understand the general differences between these two models.

What I keep reading about here and other places is the old model and new model, the flat top and the 3 screw model.  I would like to get a quick and simple discription of how to recognize each and are there any pros and cons to the older versions.  I run across a lot of used opportunities and would hate to miss a good shooter not knowing the difference.  thanks, Gary

[targetshootr]

The only thing to keep in mind about the 3 screw models is to call me when you see one for sale. Kidding. Sorta.
The old models have 3 screws on the side of the frame above the trigger. They are collector items nowdays and prices vary a lot. fwiw.

[BlkHawk73]

3 screw - Has 3 distinct screws in the cylinder frame, a slightly different grip profile and no transfer bar system - also called an old model (OM)

flattop - has a flat topstrap with no protective ears for the rear sight.   Up until the 50th Ann BH was released all but a special NM were old models or 3 screws

While these can be collectable, it's really neccessary to have the box/paperwork to really complete it as a collectable and have the gun in pretty good condition.  Some are more valuable than others because of production numbers.  OM's that have been converted to the new transfer bar system are less collectable than those not converted.  Any non-converted OM ent to RUger for anything, WILL be converted.  Some folks ask too much and other pay too much just becuase they think them to be "rare".  All depends on the model.

[Throckmorton]

Just in case yo've never handled an OM or FT...
The OM's released the cylinder for loading/unloading by pulling the hammer back to a half-cock position,ala Colts.The NM's utilize the loading gate for this purpose.On the new ones the charge holes do not line up as well for loading as the om's....on the om's when the ratchet 'clicked' you were in line,and on the New ones ,that 'click' meant you had gone too far and would have to go all the way around again.
The New Model Vaquero that just came out is said to have a little backward play via a ball detent to rectify this 'oversight'.

[ggardner]

Thanks guys...I think I have it figured it out now.  Glad you told me about not sending them into Ruger for repair.  I would hate for them to make the modification.  I have been wanting a .44 to shoot specials in and will keep an eye out.  Thanks, Gary

[targetshootr]

You can send an old model to Ruger for repair but I would send it without the lockwork and replace it when it comes back.

I have a question myself for Ruger owners. What size frame was the old model 41 mag made on? I should have one but a couple of sellers have told me they're on the 357 frame.

Edit:

It's on the large frame. I have the two Dougan books which list that kind of thing but, depending on how my chair is turned, are 3 and sometimes 4 feet away. Whew.

[November]

targetshootr,  you are my brother!     Thanks for the chuckle...I needed it.

[pastorp]

It is my understanding that any old model sent to ruger for repair will come back with the new lockwork and the frames are stamped to indicate the change. Ruger will not sell you parts for an old model. Regards, Byron

[mt3030]

The Old Model Blackhawk centerfires came in two sizes. The 357 mag and 41 mag shared the smaller frame, while the 30 carbine, 44 mag and 45 Colt used the large frame. Many feel the smaller frame rechambers to the ideal 44 Special. I agree, I've had two made up.
Good shooting..mt

[Lloyd Smale]

not quite correct the .41 mag was on the large frame also.

The Old Model Blackhawk centerfires came in two sizes. The 357 mag and 41 mag shared the smaller frame, while the 30 carbine, 44 mag and 45 Colt used the large frame. Many feel the smaller frame rechambers to the ideal 44 Special. I agree, I've had two made up.
Good shooting..mt

[Paladin]

so is the 30 carbine