I've never had a F to F with mine. Also, one of the most accurate handguns I own. Too bad it is wasted due to the .25's impotence. I carry this only when I can't wear a larger handgun, and consider it as a "no more than 3 feet away, very last resort firearm". Basically a very loud knife :lol: Very limited ammo is available. I intersperse ball ammo with frangible ammo and hope I never need it.