Author Topic: 30 herret,357 herret,7-30 waters or 30-30 (Read 1059 times)

jeff223 · « **on:** February 17, 2005, 03:35:28 AM »

what one would you like?i have a line on both herret barrels for a good price but i already have a 357max so i am thinking the waters or 30-30 would be better.i will be using the max mostly for deer hunting in the shotgun zone in Michigan but would like a bottle neck calliber for my Contender just in case if you now what i mean.ideas please about the 4.

KYODE · « **Reply #1 on:** February 17, 2005, 03:58:20 AM »

why not just add the 30-30AI to the mix? midway has had a heck of a buy on em lately. bout $191 :shock: .......ain't bad! :grin:

Wally · « **Reply #2 on:** February 17, 2005, 04:33:41 AM »

I vote with Kyode. My 30-30AI holds great groups witht the 130 Hornady
and I have found the 110 Sierra Varmiter to be even more accurate and when shot with the 130 H zero at 200, the 110 is dead on at 300.
What a package- 2 loads for two purposes, no adjustments needed.
and recoil is very modest. Check other forums for 30-30 AI load data, you will be impressed.

jeff223 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 17, 2005, 05:41:41 AM »

OK the 30-30AI can be added to the list.i know with the blown out shoulder the brass life is increased.i never even gave the 30-30AI a thought :?

Lone Star · « **Reply #4 on:** February 17, 2005, 06:18:30 AM »

Don't expect the .30-30 case life to increase based on shoulder shape in a T/C. Case life is effected by both chamber and sizing die dimensions, and by sizing technique. The only advantage of the AI is slightly more powder capacity....and a cool-looking case. Nothing wrong with the AIs, just that they seldom met their advertized claims at normal pressures.

flatlander · « **Reply #5 on:** February 17, 2005, 06:26:25 AM »

I vote for the 7-30. Hard to beat the performance, and a real pleasure to shoot. You can buy brass and loaded rounds so you don't have to fireform, and the dies aren't too expensive. Up to deer sized game it will do as well as anything out to a couple of hundred yards. Unless you are hunting something bigger than deer or hogs, the 7-30 will do it all.

handirifle · « **Reply #6 on:** February 17, 2005, 07:40:24 AM »

Lone star
Your wording was key to your expected results. Within original pressures of the 30-30 it doesn't gain much, but when loaded to much higher safe pressures in the AI version it jumps up a lot.

The 30-30 was designed for weaker leverguns of old and the manuals and factories still load for that. In an action like the TC or NEF even it can be pushed to much higher pressures and still be safe.

How do you guys feel about the muzzle blast from a TC in any of the 30-30 based rounds?

SamSpade · « **Reply #7 on:** February 17, 2005, 07:59:45 AM »

I would vote for the 30-30AI but you should look at the 375 Winchester also, rimmed case and BIG bullets, mild recoil.

fyrepowrx · « **Reply #8 on:** February 17, 2005, 12:46:57 PM »

I dont think the deer would know the difference much between any of them if you made a good shot, i currently own & shoot the 30 herrett, the 30/30, the 30/30AI, and the 7x30... i think a 7x30 or the 30/30AI would be my choice, both have better trajectory/performance than the herretts, and the 3 herrett barrels i have owned just would not shoot as accurately as the 30/30AI or my 7x30.

a big plus for the 30/30 AI is that you can still fire factory loads if you want, or load it up to maximum potential. I assume you are a handloader since you are considering a herrett, so availability of ammo wont be a huge factor, but at times i am lazy & since i shoot about 20+ calibers in contenders i find occasionally i dont have one ammo or another loaded up. That wont be a problem with the 30/30 or the 30/30AI, everybody stocks 30/30 ammo.

i find my 7x30 more pleasant to shoot than the 30/30AI, and on the little deer we have around here its fine, but you have a lot bigger deer up north. the 30/30AI might be a better choice since you get a bigger bullet with greater frontal diameter & more punch. Or we can trade deer, send your big ones down here & i will send these 100 pounders up to you... :wink:

jeff223 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 17, 2005, 01:20:27 PM »

the only reason i am giving the herret barrels a thought is because of the price.i dont thing i would be gaining much over the 357max.now i am down to the 7-30 waters and the 30-30AI.the price on the 30-30AI is a good one but i would need a scope rail and thats not to much at all.what kind of speeds are you guys getting out of a 14inch barrel with 130 and 150gr bullets?

Racepres · « **Reply #10 on:** February 17, 2005, 01:51:30 PM »

IMHO the 357 herrett is a quite a bit better than the 357 max... even if it is a hassel to make and reload properly. It may however be a bit much in the blast department. I think the 7-30 waters is the most versatile and if one is going to "overload" the 30/30 case then it is even more so... Marty

Styme · « **Reply #11 on:** February 17, 2005, 11:19:55 PM »

After crawling through the 60 pages of the TC Handgun forum, I decided on the 7-30 Waters. I went looking for info on the 357 Herrett, but about half way through (working backwards) I started looking at the Waters. No info on the shooting of it yet because I am waiting for it to be shipped to me. If time is on your side read a few of the older posts, there is some good info there.

flatlander · « **Reply #12 on:** February 18, 2005, 01:49:09 AM »

I don't think that you will regret the 7-30. I sold a 357 Herrett a short while back and IMO the 7-30 is a lot more pleasant to shoot. Did I mention that I REALLY like my 7-30? :lol:

KYODE · « **Reply #13 on:** February 18, 2005, 02:16:53 AM »

nuthin wrong with that choice at all :wink:

the 14"-15" 30-30AI gets around ........
2700fps with 110's
2600+ with 125's
2500+ with 130's
2350+ with 150's

........which is from several different barrels, and a few different shooters around the states.

Hopalong7 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 18, 2005, 02:52:55 AM »

Jeff223, You didn't mention barrel length of choice. If you thinking 10" then both Herrets are IMHO the way to go....14" the scale tips the other way 7-30 or 30-30. I'm also one of the group who LOVES the 30-30AI. It's just one great barrel and my velocities match Kyle's almost exactly. I've gotten better resuls out of 150gr'ers in the 30-30AI than with any other barrel and that includes my .309JDJ. GOOD SHOOTIN', Walt :grin:

jeff223 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 18, 2005, 06:23:19 AM »

both the 30 herret and the 357 herret are 14 inch barrels that a friend of mine have and i can get one or both of them or one of them for a good price.they both are great barrels and the accuracy from both are very good.

my 357max is a 12 inch barrel and my 22 lr and 223 barrel are 14s.if i go with a new Midway 30-30AI barrel it would be a 14inch.if i went with a 7-30 i would also like a 14 inch unless i was to find a steal on a used short one.i like both 12 and 14 inchers so far.the 10s seem a little short to me

i dont have a line on a 7-30 right now and from what ive seen on ebay the barrels there are selling for close to new prices. :shock: i dont think i will pay that much for a used barrel just to save a couple of dollars.a person could get screwed there too.

the 30-30AI from Midway is a great deal for $191.99 plus shipping and im giving that some carefull thinking.if a waters comes along for the right price i will have it but if not the 30-30AI will be just the ticket :wink:

Steve P · « **Reply #16 on:** February 18, 2005, 03:27:41 PM »

If you watch E-Bay, and are a GOOD E-Bayer, you can get some great deals on there. Also watch Auction Arms and Gunbroker.

Good Luck,

Steve

p.s. go for the waters!!

Ditchdigger · « **Reply #17 on:** February 20, 2005, 04:30:04 PM »

I have the 30 Herret and the 357 Herret,and the 357 is a hoss in my books. With 30 grs. of H4227 under a 158 XTP it is going 2350 through my highly Flitzed super 14.Drop back to 28 grs. of H4227 and I have gotten 3/4 " groups at 100 yds. when I do every thing right. The lighter bullets really take off in the super 14. Digger