Author Topic: If your a beginner or just browsing surplups read this!!! (Read 1447 times)

1911crazy · « **on:** February 17, 2005, 03:45:56 AM »

Here's a site that may give you some info. BB

Go to; www.kissata.homestead.com/RifleEvaluations.html

SBF · « **Reply #1 on:** February 18, 2005, 07:52:54 AM »

Dudes got some basic info available but he's a little too "wanabee urban commando" for my tastes.

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Even so I often carry my 91/59 and M44 on patrol. On occasion I even use the 91/30. I personally don't have a problem with point man carrying a weapon with the safety off.

:roll:

SAWgunner · « **Reply #2 on:** February 18, 2005, 08:47:45 AM »

Interesting that I never learned to use a bolt action weapon for suppressive fire in any of the Army courses I have attended. This guy needs to stop playing HALO.

SAW

New Hampshire · « **Reply #3 on:** February 19, 2005, 02:19:47 AM »

Interesting read, but I too think the guy needs to stop playing GI Joe. I say this because Im reading his note on "Sporterized" versions of the weapons. He says he does not like them for a few reasons, but the one that sticks out to me is tha you cant use a bayonet. OK, we need to be serious here. I, nor any other "civillian" I know knows how to properly use a bayoneted weapon. Thats the kind of thing taught in boot camp, not high school. And since a REAL military force like the US military will already be using better equipment and have NO need for Mausers, SKS, M44 and so on that means he is addressing his note to the "average Joe"....the same average Joe who dont know how to use a bayonet :roll: . As Fred would put it, Rifleman engage targtes and dont waste shots. He will leave a pile of dead enemy bodies next to his small pile of empties. Its not so much the GUN as the man behind it.
But hey, in the end Im gonna rely on the opinions of guys like SAWgunner, who know what they are doing when it comes to all thing "military."
Brian M.

Reed1911 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 20, 2005, 02:34:54 AM »

Come on now guys, I KNOW we have all faced MDD once or twice.
For those that don't know MDD is Mad Deer Disease it's caused when after a bad shot is made, the deer (mostly the smaller ones with banty rooster syndrome) becoming very upset proceeds to charge you very quickly and proceed to kick your butt. Those that have sporterized their rifles lack the very needed bayonet at this point. More over, good training in the use of improvised weapons also helps at this point, even without using the bayonet a good sharp butt stroke to the head will generally stop a charging deer. :eek:

SAWgunner · « **Reply #5 on:** February 20, 2005, 03:27:39 PM »

Hah hah hah!!! Butt stroke to the head series, followed by a parry left, followed by a butt to the groin series, MOVE!!!

SAW

45LCshoooter · « **Reply #6 on:** March 16, 2005, 08:44:27 PM »

What, no 1891 Argentine Mauser?

Hmmm, I never figured out what he is patrolling or who he is fighting but bayonets and high rates of fire mean that you have given away your position and lost.

Oh, and thanks for the link. Now that we've all been red-flagged for visiting his site :-D ....

(bummer, now they have me using those funny little !@#$ smilies)

45LCshoooter · « **Reply #7 on:** March 16, 2005, 08:56:37 PM »

Hey, I explored a little further and found the hive, er, home page. Maybe this guy just has a funny sense of humor. Down at the bottom of the page i found the following:

"BOYCOTT ALERT!
DO NOT boycott French's Mustard. It is not made in France. French's Mustard is made in the USA. The ONLY simularity is that they are both YELLOW. This is a coincidence only. Continue to use French's Mustard. Thank you."

Thrawn · « **Reply #8 on:** June 07, 2005, 03:46:29 AM »

Ummm, wow. :roll: I guess nobody ever told him that SMLE mags are fitted for their respective rifles. Just because the magazine comes out does'nt mean it supposed to. :x

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FEEDING AND RATE OF FIRE: This is where the SMLE leaves the Mausers behind. Uses a conventional ten shot detachable magazine. The SMLE action also cycles VERY fast, considered the fastest cycling conventional bolt action by many. If you lose your spare mags, the rifle also stripper clip feeds from the top of the action as with the Mauser, with five shot clips, so the mag can be filled or topped off without single loading the magazine. The SMLE is usually rated at 20 rounds per minute aimed fire, including stripper clip feeding/reloading. An expert could possibly do better by switching mags, but 20 rounds per minute of accurate aimed fire from a powerful cartridge such as the .303 is pretty awesome.

I also like his "method" of cleaning rifles in the field. "pull out the bolt and clean the receiver with a pointy stick" Betcha he's the most tacticle 14 year old on his block. :-D

coltnavy36 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 20, 2005, 06:40:05 PM »

lol-how dare the comment against the Mauser-heck, its better than a SMLE.
Well, in my opinion. Which is not worth half a cup of your best gourmet-roast Folgers.
Well, maybe the guy could try using them in every-day situations in hunting, or hunting things that bite.
Of course , though I've used both kinds for that purpose, and to be HONEST, no probs with either. Even with military ammo.
Actually, the .303 taught a few wild-dogs(the African kind) a lesson one morning, and I was fairly proud of the thing, being the first .303 I had used. Young back then,lol, now I can't make it too much farther than past the back yard.
The Mauser is just my personal favorite-from long long long walks with them.
I would bet him a (dollar) that if one guy had a Mauser, the other guy had a fancy modern type-full-auto, and were 150 yards apart going head to head, the guy with the Mauser will be the one going home alive.
It only takes 1 shot with the old 8mm.
I know this sounds like a old movie, but it's often true in some cases, and for the life of me, I can't figure out why someone does not chamber the 8mm round in a modern rifle---the cartridge can't be improved on as a (medium) gun.
Although the U.S. cartridges are weak, weak.

kombi1976 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 22, 2005, 06:36:24 PM »

Colt, I would say each rifle has it's strengths.
The .303 is definitly less finicky, cycles like Lance Armstrong on amphetamines(not to suggest he uses them :wink: ) and despite the fact doesn't move a bullet nearly as fast has some serious thump when it hits.
On the other hand a Kar98k is arguably more accurate, is a stronger action and the 8x57 is flatter and further shooting.
But after lugging a box of 50 8x57 loads from one end of the house to the other last week I really see why even the .308 is regarded as a heavy cartridge to cart around if you're using lots of ordnance like a semi or full auto tends to use.
I own SMLE and kar98k sporters and like both but I'm well aware of each others short comings.

kevin.303 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 22, 2005, 07:17:34 PM »

Remington did their Classic 700 in 8x57 a year or two back. after handling a Krag i'm not sure which is faster cycling, the Krag or the SMLE. either way the're both slicker then deer guts on a door knob.

cal sibley · « **Reply #12 on:** August 06, 2005, 05:42:34 PM »

The .303 SMLE and the 8x57 as well will never be a big hit in North America. Neither will the 6.5x55 and the 7x57. We have an aversion to anything metric, thinking it's inferior or old hat because it wasn't created here. As we all know that's just so much bull s...! All are indeed fine cartridges. I have all but the 7x57 and am thrilled with them in their civilian mode, as well as their military configurations. Just one mans opinion. Best wishes.

Cal - Montreal

kombi1976 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 06, 2005, 08:17:52 PM »

It depends on what you regard as North America, Cal.
The Canadians used .303s through 2 World Wars and I think were even using them for sniper rounds up until the '70s, although Kevin would be able to give better facts on that.
If you mean the USA then, yes, the prepoderence of cartridges like .243, .270, .308 and .30-06 always meant that the Old World metric cartridges would be up against it.
Having said that, I believe the 6.5x55 has been a survivor.
The Australian market seems to be a distilled reflection of the USA, mostly because it's so small that only high selling items are regarded as important enough to export here.
Our only eccentricity, much like the Canadians, is the old 303, but apart from that we cop only the Big 5 cartridges(as I like to call them) in most things i.e. .223, .243, .270, .308 and .30-06.
Plus of course the 7mm Rem and 300 Win Magnums.
I'm not saying that others aren't available but they aren't real easy to get.
And I might add that the idea of owning a rifle in any of the Big 5 puts me to sleep. :roll:
Yet despite this the 6.5x55 remains popular in many circles and is super easy to get ammo for.