Author Topic: Awards or Door Prizes (Read 2103 times)

Tonto · « **on:** February 17, 2005, 10:25:05 AM »

A new year of silhouette tournaments will be starting soon and for many shooters it will involve traveling great distances to attend.

Are door prizes and/or awards a factor in your decision to attend?
If you could change something, what would it be?

I'll be straight up. I am not a great shooter, even winning a class trophy is very rare now so the odds of getting a big award are much smaller for me than possibly getting a nice door prize. Based on skill and attendance I am much more likely to go home with a duck caller than a rifle safe. You should see my duck caller collection.

Tony n AR · « **Reply #1 on:** February 17, 2005, 04:13:24 PM »

I have yet to attend a match, and I will have to drive a long way when I do. The awards/door prizes have not entered my mind. I am more worried about how high a classification I will qualify with. I am very competitive, but I am out to see how good I can shoot and could care less what the other guy shoots or if I win anything. The way I look at it is I'm in competition with myself. The satisfaction of shooting a good score is enough for now anyway. The other guys are irrelevant.

genphideaux · « **Reply #2 on:** February 18, 2005, 02:04:42 AM »

I have done this for awhile and my main motivation is to do well and have fun with all the other shooters, if I win than so be it , if I get a prize I'll trade it, that's icing on the cake. If you are just going for prizes or trophy's then have a ball, the rest of use will clap and go ohhahhh, cause that's just the way we are. Whatever motivates you to show-up works for me beer, food, chicken george,duck gumbo,get'in hornetx fired up,....etc.

In a word priceless.

Dawg

alsmith · « **Reply #3 on:** February 18, 2005, 03:06:51 AM »

I enjoy silhouette shooting matches for the chance to shoot competitively against myself and the interaction with other shooters.

Trophies and pins clutter up the shooting box and the shelf space at home.

Al

eroyd · « **Reply #4 on:** February 18, 2005, 07:01:21 AM »

I don't care about door prizes etc. I'm there to shoot, because I enjoy just that. I also appreciate what a PIA it is for organizers of events to go around soliciting stuff from businesses etc. I'd rather have a reduced entry fee than having to pay for prizes and awards for 3 placements plus match winner for every match in every tournament. But there are those that think it's important to take something home at the end of the day, and thats fine, so we should cater to everyone.

GeoNLR · « **Reply #5 on:** February 18, 2005, 07:43:34 AM »

Quote from: genphideaux

if I get a prize I'll trade it.

Whatever motivates you to show-up works for me beer, food, chicken george,duck gumbo,get'in hornetx fired up,....etc.

In a word priceless.

Dawg

As I sit here in my cubical, I have a prize that give me comfort on those long and lonely days that I must be away from my shooting comrades. I have in my possession a Spyderco knife w/ an attached light. I traded genphideaux out of this fine little unit after he had had one to many beers from the wagon in Winnie last year.

The light is symbolic of an aid passed on from one shooter to another to help him if he should ever find himself in the dark. Never again will the darkness of the world overtake me. I have my light!

The knife is symbolic of a tool used to cut though all the BS that is dealt out during the course of a match! LOL Aheeeeeeee

All kidding aside, what ever it take to get shooters there, after the hook has been set and they learn this is one of the finest groups on individuals you can choose to spend you time around, the prizes and trinkets are a distant second.

Chicken

genphideaux · « **Reply #6 on:** February 18, 2005, 07:58:25 AM »

GeoNLR,

Them words brought a tear to my eye. So truthful and all. Your a real poet a true friend chicken george

Now tell'em how much of a POJ those sunglasses were.

I sure miss that beer, er I mean knife, no flashlight, ok beer

dawg

jneihouse · « **Reply #7 on:** February 18, 2005, 08:40:11 AM »

Actually, we all support ourselves from the booty we haul away from these events. The day jobs we have are just a cover for the enormous wealth we enjoy from out winnings......

Hornetx60 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2005, 01:26:05 PM »

when I am on the line shootin I have but one thing in mind. Hitting every single target...winning and setting records. Because when that part is over all you have from the shooting part is maybe your 15 minutes.Makin a little money or winning some prizes is nice but I could do with out it. I sure don't want any trophies at regular matches...give them to the juniors. But when I am waiting to get to the line I sure do have a lot of fun with the folks I have met all over the country, and from a few other countries. Drank a few beers told a few stories and laughed until my gut hurt.

Hey Dawg I won't be in Jacksonville most likely but I damn well will be in Winnsboro. and I still want that money you owe...thought I forgot about that didn't ya? LOL Thats the big match of the year this year for me.

GeoNLR · « **Reply #9 on:** February 20, 2005, 11:25:27 AM »

Quote from: Hornetx60

when I am on the line shootin I have but one thing in mind. Hitting every single target...winning and setting records. Because when that part is over all you have from the shooting part is maybe your 15 minutes.Makin a little money or winning some prizes is nice but I could do with out it. I sure don't want any trophies at regular matches...give them to the juniors. But when I am waiting to get to the line I sure do have a lot of fun with the folks I have met all over the country, and from a few other countries. Drank a few beers told a few stories and laughed until my gut hurt.

Hey Dawg I won't be in Jacksonville most likely but I damn well will be in Winnsboro. and I still want that money you owe...thought I forgot about that didn't ya? LOL Thats the big match of the year this year for me.

I like how he says "I won't be in j-ville this year"

Like he had a choice after the local 4-H director caught him eye'n the females setting the targets w/ his 80mm Kowa...Got REAL ugly after that...We can only hope for all the Convicts at David's match this year to big male...Oh wait....Ha-ha.

Don't call my Dawg out in public and think you can skate!

Chicken George!!!!

Hornetx60 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 20, 2005, 02:28:23 PM »

OK Lil Georgy First off I wasn't talking to you. now who on this board signs off as Dawg? Duh That would be Gen Phideaux ! Secondly I wouldn't be caught dead with that cheap ass Kowa....Try a Leica Televid and you'll throw that kowa away !!! Now pull you thumb out of you mouth and quit that your a big boy now ! Get back in the basement and keep practicing !!! Bring your money along with your mouth to Winnsboro and we can settle this on the line...but will the Lady of the House allow you to take your whole paycheck? LOL Bill

You just mad cause you couldn't see her!

genphideaux · « **Reply #11 on:** February 22, 2005, 02:13:43 AM »

Sad to hear that Bill, you will be missed, by some well aimed comments but you will get them in winnie, and no I know you will never forget, just remmember as long as I owe you money you'll never be broke. I would rather owe it to you than beat you out of it.

Chicken George, you the one, get'er done.

I sure do like this sport called silly wetters

Dawg

Hornetx60 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 22, 2005, 12:16:57 PM »

Oh its on in Winnie. Now are ya gonna be man enough to show up early and shoot some air rifle? We may not hit many But like ya'll say The important thing is "did I look good doin it" . We just might have to have a few beers while were down there.

genphideaux · « **Reply #13 on:** February 23, 2005, 01:17:49 AM »

Look'in good in the neighborhood, Kennedy's gun shy, you bet I'll be there for the air gun. A few beers, now come on Bill this ain't your first rodeo. See ya there.

Dawg

GeoNLR · « **Reply #14 on:** February 23, 2005, 04:01:17 AM »

I will be there to take my beating like a man! I plan to pull in with the camper around noon or so on Wednesday and be there until Sunday. Looking forward to seeing you there.

Chicken George

Jerry G · « **Reply #15 on:** February 24, 2005, 10:35:31 AM »

I have been shooting silhouette all over the west for a lot of years and the thing that keeps bringing me bakc year after year is the shooting and all the friendship at the matches. I live in a small trailer wherever the weather is nice so a trophy is the last thing I want. I have run matches before and trying to get door prizes out of sponsers is a pain also.

Just have a smoothe running match with a fair crowd within 600 miles of where I am at and I will show up, unless there is a schedule conflict.

Tonto · « **Reply #16 on:** February 26, 2005, 03:38:56 PM »

Thanks for the replies. I had hoped to hear from more. Maybe silence means it is a non-issue so I'll leave it at that. What I meant to ask was more along the lines of this.

The following items are going home with the attendees at a tournament either as door prizes (random draw) or awards (class and match winners)
Leupold scope
Anschutz rifle
Rifle Safe
Free Reticle Installation
etc.

Does it make any difference to you how it is done?

Guess it doesn't matter.

ajj · « **Reply #17 on:** February 28, 2005, 03:30:10 AM »

Not saying I wouldn't be thrilled to win somethng valuable but the prospect of doing so has absolutely no effect on my decision whether to attend a particular match.

AMB · « **Reply #18 on:** February 28, 2005, 04:54:13 PM »

Door prizes are great. It's adds a lot to a match. I like most of it to be a drawing. Prizes to match and class winners can be a touchy issue can encourage sandbagging. Yes, I would definetly pick a match because of Door prizes assuming most things being somewhat equal.

Jason · « **Reply #19 on:** March 01, 2005, 06:10:36 AM »

Speaking as only an A or AA shooter, I'd probably rather have door prizes as it would encourage other "not so great" shooters like me to attend. All those prizes you mention seem WAY bigger than anything I've seen at a match, though.

Tonto · « **Reply #20 on:** March 06, 2005, 03:27:27 PM »

Thanks for the additional responses.

I preface my remaining remarks by saying the original question I posed was not intended to start argument nor was it "aimed" at any single tournament. I was merely curious to see how competitors felt about it.

Regarding the Winnsboro match, I respectfully disagree. The key word here is respectfully. The Winnsboro match is successful by almost any measure, but the statement about most fair and equitable would be pushing the envelope IMO. Everyone pays the same entry fee but some go home with two safes, and some go home with a trinket drinking glass and a 10 minute deer skinner -- year after year.

Again thanks for the replies.

The End

Hornetx60 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 06, 2005, 04:08:17 PM »

Damn doesn't anyone think there is any value in winning. These are after all shooting competitions. To the victors go the spoils. What value is there in moving up in class and earning your way to the top of Master class if there aren't any spoils once you get there. To give away all of the of prizes in door prizes is insane. It tells shooters all you have to do is show up and you will be rewarded if if you loose!!! Have we really become that jealous of the winners that now we are taking away the prizes of excellence and spreading the wealth like Robinhood......

genphideaux · « **Reply #22 on:** March 07, 2005, 01:59:00 AM »

Hornetx60,

Wealth redistribution is what it is called, and I do believe it comes from the angle of everyone is a winner, no one is a loser, leave no one behind, never make them responsible for their actions or make them feel bad.

Your to competitive, calm down, this is a more kinder and gentler shooting society. We must pump-up eveyones self esteem, be our brothers keeper. Console them in their time of woes. Be a little more liberal.

Had you feared up didn't I, thought I went soft, no way. To the victor goes the spoils, second place is first loser and sits at home, the winner gets the home coming queen and all her court. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. I'll help you out, where's the door.

Bill, finally made Master in the hunter this weekend, still bagg'in in the standard(LOL)

Dawg

ajj · « **Reply #23 on:** March 07, 2005, 03:17:09 AM »

Winnsboro seems to be the leader in the distribution of loot. While there are lots of door prizes the bulk of the most valuable prizes (scopes, rifles, safes, etc.) are earned by shooting well in class.
I've always thought that the end of awards was part of the twisted lure of making Master. One more SB hunter score and I'm there, in the company of G.Fido et. al., never to see another trophy until Winstead, Lawton, Motl and a small busload of others have the same off day.

Hornetx60 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 07, 2005, 01:11:51 PM »

Well finally some MEN speak up!
Congats DAWG on making Master. I know the feeling with it taking long with the heavy gun. Keep at it I don't want to see any sand coming outta dem shorts by Winnsboro
....and for all of you that tremble at the names of past champions remember this. They all started at the bottom and worked there way to the top. Every one of them has earned the respect they are given through practice. Nobody gave them the championships the won.
BUT
No one is unbeatable. I don't want any of them to have a bad day when I compete with them. I want them to have their best day and mine to. Because when I win I want to know it was well earned. Come on the Challenge is what this is all about.!!!! You want the trophies and the prizes they are there for the taking and you have every bit as much opportunity to earn them as the next competitor.

GeoNLR · « **Reply #25 on:** March 08, 2005, 05:17:29 AM »

Quote from: Tonto

Thanks for the additional responses.

The Winnsboro match is successful by almost any measure, but The End

I guess after some phone calls and "off-line" talks from various parties, etc., I'm willing to ask you this question(with everyone knowing exactly who I am).

On what measure is the match NOT successful?

You state the post was not about any match in particular, and yet you line item deail Winnie in every description and then make the above statement. Dave has taken a state match and turned it into one of the biggest if not the biggest SB silhouette match year after year. Each year growing in sponsorship and hospitality. I just question how that would not be considered a sucess? Dave is an accessable guy, scroll up, send him an e-mail and discuss his match with him "off-line" if you wish. I just personally, IMOHO, think comming here on this form where so many of us are trying to promote this sport and doing this is chicken sheyot.

Respectfuly,

Chicken George

AMB · « **Reply #26 on:** March 08, 2005, 07:54:31 AM »

My previous post stated that I like seeing most door prizes going by drawing. When I wrote that I was thinking in terms of the typical match where the door prizes didn't amount to a whole lot. When you start having some some serious sponsorship and prizes my perspective changes. At one time I was very competitive, now I have an 11 yo boy and shooting takes a far back seat as a priority. So, I can understand how both the competitive and non-competitive shooter feels.

I agree the top shooters and class winners should be rewarded. I always liked seeing about 60 % going to skill and 40 % to drawings. That is just an arbitrary number and the split can go either way. So Class winners and MW about a dozen people, when counting both Hunter and standard get 60 % and the other 120 or more competitors can split the remaining 40%. Both groups those where competition is a driving force, and those where competition is less important can both have a chance at the "loot".

ajj · « **Reply #27 on:** March 08, 2005, 08:29:07 AM »

Hornet gives me an opportunity to clarify: I feel about prizes the same way I feel about trophies and finishing position. I'm there to try to execute good shots in competition. If I can ever learn to do that all the other stuff, including the score, will take care of itself.

genphideaux · « **Reply #28 on:** March 08, 2005, 08:39:35 AM »

I have never been strong armed into going to Winnsboro, I have traded off many deer skinning video's and I have shot at the top of my class and got several great prizes. According to Tonto I should not go this year because it is a waste of money and time, with Kathy ,Troy ,willie bill Z and Motl all lining up to kick my butt.

But you who know me, all know I will be there, because I am an abused and abusive dawg, I thrive on this stuff and if you can't take it stay on the porch and watch the Bigdawgs run.

Winnsboro is for us what dreams are made of, the rest of the thumb suckers, bed wetters and apron string holders need not apply( for the short bus crowd enter).

By running down how Winnisboro is run has revieled to me certain peoples character, I have yet to figure out who they are but I suspect I will know them when I see them, fear, whining and loathing are traits best viewed from afar, it makes one want to defecate.

To all who are champions in their hearts and souls, may we start the day with a pledge to this great county, comprised of warriors on foreign soil, who are the true champions, a prayer to our God for their safety and who has blessed us so much. And let us end the day with a toast to our days work as we have put to flight the loathing, whining, fearful perisites. Truly to the victor goes the spoils

James Culpepper

AKA Dawg, BigDawg

ajj · « **Reply #29 on:** March 08, 2005, 09:48:27 AM »

And I thought Hunter Thompson had passed.