Author Topic: Remington/Spartan Doubles (Read 1570 times)

mr.frosty · « **on:** February 21, 2005, 12:15:40 PM »

I been looking at the double rifles Remington has on their web site
the Spartan gun works has a double gun in 30/06 and 45/70.
The 45/70 is rated up to 28k psi and didn't see a pressure rating for the 06.
Anybody got one,shot one have an opinion on one?
Maybe a new toy for me who knows.

wink_man · « **Reply #1 on:** February 21, 2005, 12:47:58 PM »

The Remington Spartan is made by Baikal, a Russian firm, and previously imported into this country by EAA Corp. I have a Baikal IZH-94 coming, should get it in a week or so. The IZH-94 I am getting is a 12 Gauge over 30-06. I managed to find a Baikal, because Remington cheapened the gun up & raised the price. The Spartan has a hardwood stock, according to Remington Specs, whereas the Baikal has walnut. The Baikal has screw in chokes for the shotgun barrel, whereas the Remington has a fixed choke. While I don't have the rifle/shotgun combo yet, I do own three Baikal over/under shotguns, in 12, 20, & 28 gauge, and I can tell you they are excellent guns, nicely crafted, and fit me like a glove, and I doubt you could find more gun for the money. But again, I am talking the Baikal, not the Remington, have not seen a Remington yet, and from what I've read on the specs, don't care to.
Sincerely,
Garry

wink_man · « **Reply #2 on:** February 21, 2005, 12:58:48 PM »

I now see Remington has changed their specs from hardwood to walnut, and from fixed chokes to screw in chokes, so I don't know what to believe, glad I found the IZH-94 in brand new condition.
Sincerely,
Garry

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #3 on:** February 21, 2005, 12:58:55 PM »

Ah come on, just do it and take a risk

. I have no experience with the gun whatsoever and don't intend on purchasing one either. Good luck with your decision!

Graybeard · « **Reply #4 on:** February 21, 2005, 06:31:10 PM »

I could possibly see me with one in .45-70 but think I'd like to see it before buying it. Seems like it would come in real handy in keeping the buffalos out of the blueberry orchard. I've been real concerned since selling my buffler gun I'd have a rash of them trampling thru. :-D

Ramrod · « **Reply #5 on:** February 22, 2005, 12:54:36 PM »

I would like to see what Remington has to say about how close these doubles are regulated.

wink_man · « **Reply #6 on:** February 22, 2005, 01:49:17 PM »

There is an adjustable jackscrew at the muzzle of the gun, to regulate the bottom barrel to the top barrel.
Sincerely,
Garry

Ramrod · « **Reply #7 on:** February 24, 2005, 02:29:10 AM »

What about the SxS? I don't see an adjuster on them.

wink_man · « **Reply #8 on:** February 24, 2005, 07:12:10 AM »

Ramrod,
Not sure on the side by side, also not sure it Remington will retain the jackscrew, I would check very carefully on how and if they are changing the Baikal version. I Just purchased a Baikal IZH94 12 gauge over 30-06, should get it in a week, slightly used, but pristine, and it does have the jackscrew, but again, it's a Baikal, imported by EAA Corp. I've seen the specs change to many times on Remingtons 'Spartan' website, so I'd ask them before ordering, and make absolutely sure.
Sincerely,
Garry

WJM · « **Reply #9 on:** February 25, 2005, 06:32:00 PM »

I can only add 2 points to the discussion. (1) My local gun dealer saw a prototype of the Baikal SxS 45-70 at the Shot show 2 (two)years ago. I had asked him to watch for them at the show when Baikal first announced them 2 years ago. My dealer sells a lot of high end guns and generally dislikes the less expensive guns. However, he did handle it and was impressed. He said the jack screw was not obvious and it seemed like a regular double rifle. I realize that it was a prototype and they would not bring a gun over with poor fit and finish or poor wood. (2) I bought a Baikal SxS 12 guage shotgun and I am very happy with it. However, I bought it from dealer stock and could see that the walnut wood was nice and it had very acceptable fit and finish for a $300 gun. I understand that the reason EAA never got the SxS 45-70 into the States was that the actions were needed for the regular Baikal SxS shotguns and the Savage SxSs. Then Remington entered the picture.

mtbnsb · « **Reply #10 on:** March 03, 2005, 03:53:05 PM »

2005 Remington catalog says that the stocks on the SxS rifle are walnut. The stock on the model in the catalog looks darn good. If production guns have stocks on them that look half as good and the checkering is OK, I will buy one.

Graybeard · « **Reply #11 on:** March 03, 2005, 05:45:29 PM »

I've seen and held examples of the SxS and O/U shotguns. The stocks on them were NOT walnut. Overall they looked like a good value at the price marked but they were a bit rough around the edges and the wood clearly was some other hardwood not walnut.

Bullseye · « **Reply #12 on:** March 04, 2005, 06:55:13 AM »

I just sold a Savage Stevens SxS (also made by Baikal). Am not sure now why I ever bought it, stupid impulse purchase. It had more creep in the trigger than I have ever seen in a gun and a 9.5 lb trigger pull on one barrel and a 10.5 on the other barrel.

But worse, after missing a few squirrels at 10-20 yards I decided to pattern the gun. With a Mod & Full Choke Tube there was not really any pattern at 30 and 40 yards. You could set a squirrel or two in there and not hit them. No hot spot at all. I call it my $140 lesson which I should not have needed because I know better than to buy cheap guns.

Anyway if you decide to buy one inspect it good and hope for the best with the pattern if it is a shotgun.