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Offline tjkanavel

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« on: February 21, 2005, 11:46:44 PM »
hey guys, i need some help.i am fairly new new the T/C world, got a frame,300 win mag & 22-250 barrel for CHRISTmas. my questions are, what is a "hangar bar"? i see it said all the time and have no idea what one is. second, is there a company that makes barrels in the WSM calibers, or is that just a rumor? and lastly, how hard is it to adjust the encore trigger by yourself? i see the kits listed on ebay all the time and wonder if anyone can do it like they say.thanks for any help and thanks for this forum.i have already learned alot in a very short time. thanks again-tim

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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2005, 01:32:24 AM »
Tim
I will leave the hanger bar answer to someone who is more schooled in them.
The short mags are not chambered by anyone I know that does barrels-They thin the barrel out to much thus creating a possibly dangerous situation, There has also been talk of the pressures generated by short mags is too much for the break-open action. Whatever the case is......I have not heard of anyone in reputable circles making them.
As far as do-it-yourself trigger jobs, there is a person who sells the kits and gives free instructions--Unfortunately his last name is blocked from this board but if you send me a PM with your email address I will send you the web page. There is a bunch of things about contenders and encores to learn from him.
Any other questions just ask-I will help if I know the answer
Good luck
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2005, 03:11:30 AM »
tjkanavel,

Things like trigger jobs and hanger bars benefit the true handgun afficianados--people who shoot competition or hunt regularly with a handgun.  If you are a novice, more than likely such improvements will not benefit your skill level.  So the first thing to ask yourself, do you really need these upgrades?  I have done neither to my Encore, and still get acceptable accuracy out to several hundred yards.

That being said, a "hanger bar" is one method of floating the barrel from the forestock to reduce pressure on your barrel.  This is primarily a concern when you are shooting a lot.  When your barrel heats up, it tends to flex some.  This is more common in tapered barrels where you get uneven heat dissipation between the thicker and thinner parts of the barrel.  The reason you float the barrel is that as the barrel flexes as it warms, any part of the stock touching the barrel will put pressure on it, potentially spoiling your accuracy.  

One way of floating the barrel is to take a hanger bar (there are a couple companies that make them--such as Bulberry or Ole Georgia Jim) and attach it to the bottom of the barrel.  Your forestock is routered out for the bar, which essentially acts as a spacer between forestock and barrel.

The cheap way to do this, particularly if you don't want to go through the expense of the hanger bar and changing your forestock, or paying for one specially made, is to place a couple of rubber washers between the barrel and forestock over the forestock's mounting screws.  You may want to try this before buying the hanger bar.

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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2005, 07:10:41 AM »
sorry, guess i could have clarified a litlle more.i have been dealing with guns for 20 yeras now, just not the encore.thanks for the help though.

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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2005, 11:19:13 AM »
Hope I didn't offend by over-simplifying the answer, with these forums it's sometimes hard to tell how experienced a person is from their question, and how much detail you need to provide to answer their question.

I've been shooting for about 25 years myself, and just got into Contenders/Encores a few years ago.  If you haven't already, I'd see how they shoot before you make too many alterations.  With many guns you really don't have to change anything, the gun is accurate as it is.  But there always seems to be people out there who are quick to tell others that a gun is worthless until they do such and such an alteration.  I've had great success with my TC products without having to change anything.

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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2005, 11:58:19 AM »
Don't think anybody chambers Encores in WSM chamberings....the larger case puts more backthrust on the breech face and reduces the amount of steel in the chamber area....particularly where the scope mount screws are drilled. In an Encore there is no advantage anyway as WSM chamberings will not shorten the overall length of the gun or reduce much weight (the only significant selling points).
I like hanger bars and use them on all barrels, it is one of those things that you either go for and spend the money or avoid. Consider the cost of the hanger bar ($18-24) or so, you will need one for every barrel you want to use the same foreend on, cost of the forend ($50-150) or more. Before I got into that I would follow the advise of others and shoot it first. I originally got into them because I was ordering a custom barrel and wood anyway. I have never shot the current string of barrels I have without one so I have nothing to compare them to accuracy wise. Back when I had factory setups most were very accurate just the way they came from TC.

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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2005, 03:21:28 PM »
Excuse my ignorance but why would you want a short mag. in a contender anyways?
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2005, 04:14:21 PM »
Maybe because the short mags are more efficient cartridges and burn less powder with magnum performance. Less generated recoil.
Magnum performance in a short action is not the only advantage to the short mags.
That may be what they are thinking... some advantages similar to what the BR's and the PPC's offer. I don't know I why I replied, I failed mind reading :)
Just my two pennies,
Stan