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Offline onesonek

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« on: February 08, 2003, 02:15:38 PM »
Hi all, anybody have any experience with the .22 pellets. My sheridan 5mm is wore out. We have a major a$$ pest problem where I work, and so, I was considering retiring my 5mm, for something harder hitting. O.

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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2003, 11:19:18 AM »
On some of the other air gun forums I get the idea some folks rebuild or recondition all sorts of air guns including Sheridans.  Have you considered that option?  There are a lot of sites out there.

I have no real experience hunting but advice I've gotten suggests .22 for furry animals and .177 for feathered ones.  Some hold view 5mm /.20 as a good compromise. I'm hoping to get into the airgun hunting and it looks to me like .177 guns need to do an honest 800 fps (lots rated for 900-1000 fps don't really shoot that hard) or more to be effective while the .22s need 600+. Depending of course on the quarry and distance.  The spring guns are nice - most only need 1 cock but I'm surprised how much recoil the more powerful guns produce - it can take a lot of practice to get good accuracy. I'm also surprised how expensive the guns can be.

I did have an old chinese .177 gun that shot at 700-800 fps over my chronograph but the trigger and recoil were so bad that hitting what I aimed at was mostly a surprise beyond 30 feet.  

Now playing with a Beeman R7 .177 and its wonderfully accurate and easy to cock and its chronographing 500 to 650 fps depending on the pellet. I'm not confident it has the power for the grouse hunting I'd like to do but its fantastic practice.

Seems like the Beeman guns rated for 1000 fps (.177) and 800 (.22) are recommended for hunting.

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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2003, 04:17:34 PM »
It is not the caliber that is the problem it's the power supply. The Sheridan is a very powerful rifle. You would have to spend several hundred dollars and learn to shoot a more difficult spring or gas piston rifle to do better then the sheridan rifle.  I have a gas ram powered rifle whish is worth 1000.00 bucks but it's only about 100fps faster then the 125.00 sheridan and much more complicated to become accurate with.  

Don't waste your money on a cheap springer in .22 caliber. By cheap I mean under 400 bucks. If you think you can beat the power of the sheridan and ease of shooting for 200 bucks or so your mistaken!  It will take you many hundreds of dollars to beat the old sheridan rifle. Get it rebuilt and use som .20 crow magnum pellets at 750 fps you will kill anything any self contained rifle can out to 50 yards.

To step up from that old timer is quite a big step in expense!
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2003, 10:43:48 AM »
If you've already got experience and accuracy with the sheridan, then just keep it. If you need to get it rebuilt, I would suggest sending it out to Mac1 airguns. They do complete rebuilds, and also offer a 'steriod' treatment to the sheridans. It supposedly can increase the power quite a bit. Worth checking into if you want to upgrade your gun. HTH.

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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2003, 12:34:18 AM »
Quote from: onesonek
Hi all, anybody have any experience with the .22 pellets. My sheridan 5mm is wore out. We have a major a$$ pest problem where I work, and so, I was considering retiring my 5mm, for something harder hitting. O.


  How old is your 'Dan?  Especially if it's an old one, don't give up on it. There are a lot more .20 pellets around for it and they moslty weigh the same as the .22s with less frontal area.
  You can send it to Mac-1 for a "Steroid Tune as well as reseal and maybe a Billet lever for chump change compared to a new gun.

  "Mac-1 has modified Sheridans for around 2 decades.

My approach changes as the guns evolve. I could at one point many years back simply install an adjustable piston, a better check valve, and a beefier hammer spring and we could coax 900 out of most 5mm's. Things have changed a great deal. To get that type of performance nowadays from an early dan as I call Sheridans you would need to machine the valve, remanufacture the lever or replace with billet, fabricate custom inlet and outlet seals as well as do the custom piston. It actually is a little easier to start with the new gun and go billet/steroid/williams straight away and You don't have to fuss with whether the gun can take the stress etc. But it isn't cheap and if you have an old C laying around with a blown check or leaky valve you just might have a gem in the rough.
 

Early model C and CB.

The basic tune is $55 which uses upgraded factory components and Mac-1's check valve. What gets done on a $75 steroid tune?  

For the additional $20 I remachine the valve body to receive Mac-1's delrin outlet valve, install a custom adjustable piston, beef up the factory lever, and tune the gun to around 900 fps.
 
 
What's a billet lever?

$45

The factory discontinued the levers for the C and CB several years ago. I tooled up to remanufacture the factory lever with new pivot bearing. When buckled levers came in we could not fix the guns. We were forced to do a billet lever cause we were completely out of levers. Billet anything is defined as made from solid stock. In this case the lever arm is machined from solid steel and the part is far more rigid than the stock item. Made with a replaceable hardened steel bushing at the primary pivot this lever is what I call the lastlever because it will literally last forever. Billet levers are available for new and old model guns but when fitting the billet to any C or CB the customer is advised to also replace the early front plug with a late model brass plug($5) to make sure the front end is solid and the pins don't slip out. So the total to do a billet steroid to an early Sheridan is $125. These will shoot over 900 in .20 with light ammo at 14 pumps.
 

Late Model C9A or CB9A or 392.

Steroid Tune $75 on your gun. Adds $45 to the price of a new gun. The late model gun gets a little different treatment. I do the custom piston, delrin stem, and beef the factory lever. I also do a bolt probe modification to enhance airflow and of course the two stage trigger is tuned to a 1 lb. take up and 2-3 lb. break. The billet lever(adds $45) is especially popular with the new guns. It makes the lever feel like a quality car door shutting. So a billet/steroid tune including trigger, piston, bolt, and valve work cost $115 for YOUR late model gun. It costs $90 on top of the price of a new gun purchase." Look at the pictures at the first link on the right side to see what the extended billet looks like compared to the stock gun).
http://www.mac1airgun.com/steriodags.html
Other Service Prices at:
http://www.mac1airgun.com/services.htm

 A Steroid Sheridan shooting 14.3 Crosman Premiers @ around 900fps (you'll want the Billet lever option because it puts a lot more stress when pumping but you can go with the extended billet lever option which cuts off some of the stock and uses a longer lever for more mechanical advantage when pumpiing and looks pretty good too) will be putting out 25 Ft-LBs Energy. You'd need to spend over $500 buccks for a PCP gun plus a scuba tank or pump to feed it, or over $1,00 to get a springer that would do that(and then have to learn how to shoot it............and you already know how to shoot the Sheridan from wearing it out the first time)!!
   So, for $115 to $125 yiou get a Steroid Billet tune or for additional few $s(couldn't find the price but I think it's another $35 or a total of $145 to $155 depending on model, you can get the Extended Billet as well. If you don't have the Wiliams peep, that's a $25 option.

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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2003, 06:57:07 PM »
Ime not familiar with the Sheridan but don't you have to pump them up?
For three hundred you can get a used Beeman Goldfinger combo at the RWS service center.  It includes the mounts and a 4X12 Banner scope along with a barrel weight.  Also saw one on the for sale site in this forum for $290.  It would be a lot quicker to load if you are shooting pests, there not human are they, and its in .20 cal and kodiaks and CPL's are nasty. Good luck.