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« Reply #90 on: March 11, 2005, 06:41:58 PM »
If your wife had asked that she not be kept alive if permanently incapacitated, would any amount of money be sufficient to buy you off?
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« Reply #91 on: March 11, 2005, 08:13:54 PM »
Don't have to worry about that I am divorced.  :)  Before my mother died one of the hardest things I ever had to do was to explain to her that if she wanted extra measures to live it might not be for the best as the Doctors and the Nursing home told me as frail as she was doing CPR would surely envolve broken ribs and other serious complications. After hearing this she consented to signing a form saying she did not want any life saving measures. I Know what the parents  Terri have been through in a way.  I watched my mother waste away just from old age and basically starve to death as when you die from old age your body tells you it does not want food anymore. This can go on for a long time she lost her appitite well over a year and a half before she died and ate little. I know she weighed around 60 LB before she died.  If there would have been anyway to keep her here and have any quality of llife I would have been for it and I think so would have she. SO I know the parents do not want to lose her and since non of us are there or have seen first hand what is going on who is to judge here?  I do not the parents and as far as the husband goes I do not know what is in his head either but his conduct outside of the situation shows he has little respect for her. Considering his marriage goes there has to be a way he can get divorced or annulled considering the situation. Since he has a girlfriend and kids with her it shows he is not that interested in his marriage so why the hanging around?????

 I suppose the parents are looking to the fact that folks who have been in comma's have come back after years of being in one. Yea I know they have brain activity if Terri was flatline I would guess the parents after all this time would realize there is no hope something or signs is keeping them hanging on to hope?   Jim
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« Reply #92 on: March 12, 2005, 02:32:20 AM »
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I suppose the parents are looking to the fact that folks who have been in comma's have come back after years of being in one.    Jim


If this were a 'simple' coma case, then her parents would have something to stand on.  In this case, the portions of her brain that would 'wake up' are physically not there... rotted away.  There is nothing left to wake up.  I think she needs to pass on...  

JH, if you had read the links you would have found out that it was $700k he was offered, not $1 mil.  The Right-to-Life groups were testing him and he passed with flying colors.  They'll never admit that tho.  

Our society is not at all uniform in it's dealings with death.  We're quick to put an animal down if it's suffering but we won't give the same respect to humans.  

This story/discussion has also prompted me to do a living will this weekend.

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« Reply #93 on: March 12, 2005, 04:07:56 AM »
First the "privacy" rights...
 
   Anytime a 12 or 13 year old child applies an abortion, all reasonable adults should be concerned..

  1.) When a little child like that is found pregnant, and the sperm-donor is of an adult age....A RAPE HAS BEEN COMMITTED..perhaps many times over..
    If the adult community looks the other way. they are accessories to the crime...aiding the evasion of the rapist!

   2.) On this subject, don't come to me with this "children have a right to privacy"....more honestly, "children have a right"... to have a responsible adult to watch over their welfare...
     No reasonable adult allows a child to get staggering drunk...or take the car and play "grand prix racer" on the highway !
   
    Children should be loved and cared for...that means if they have been raped, we must find the perp...and make him face the full extent of the law..

   3.) Pedophiles and incestuous rapers must really appreciate such a "doctor" ....he works so hard to help them cover their tracks..

   4.) This, I am very firm about:
         I am convinced that pedophiles and child molesters are of such a low caliber of criminal....anyone that works so strongly to protect them...causes me to suspect the protector's motives...

   Now for the moral values clarification....

   We hear the arguments about "pro-life" and "pro-choice"..
       I maintain that sincere Christians and other people of decent conscience are both.....while those that favor abortion are neither..

   Obviously, Christians are 'pro-life" but since they favor allowing every little boy and girl live at least long enough so they can CHOOSE for THEMSELVES whether they should live or die...the Christians are by elimination, also pro-choice

    Both sides of the argument must admit that they realize that there are many "choices" to be made long before abortion has to be considered...
  There is the choice whether to partake of sex, choice whether to use contraceptives, the choice to adopt ( to many ready /waiting parents)..
 Since we must agree that the foregoing are viable "choices", the only scenario where we differ is with the killing of the baby..obviously at this juncture, one side is pure " death oriented ".

      When one has gone that far and made so many WRONG choices, there is no reason to compound their wrongs by the death of an innocent child...just my 2 cents..

  Whatever the reason for the pregnancy...I can see no crime that little bab y could have committed that he/she deserves capital punishment..

   Strange isn't it how thw liberals will fight so hard to prevent capital punishment from being inflicted on the Jeffrey Daumers of the world....and then fight just as hard to have the death penalty imposed upon the most innocent among us.! HMMMMM....
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« Reply #94 on: March 12, 2005, 04:20:16 AM »
IRONGLOW. Well saidmy friend. A big AAAAAMMMMMMEEEEEENNNN. POWDERMAN.  :D  :D  :D  :D
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« Reply #95 on: March 12, 2005, 05:30:08 AM »
Real life example about abortion:

I used to have this friend - Robert.  He was a great keyboard player, and was the keyboardist at my church.  He had a deformed arm and hand.  He could only use two fingers on the deformed hand.  When you heard him play music, you could never tell he was handicapped in any way.  In fact, he just wasn't.

One day, Robert and I were standing at a store counter.  Because we were behind the counter, nobody on the other side could see his arm and hand.

Well, on this day, we were having a little "abortion" debate with some fellow.  He made this statement:  " I don't think it's right to bring children into this world who are going to be deformed, or suffer in some way."  It's just wrong.

Well, Robert raised up his arm and hand and put it right on the counter in front of the man's face.  Robert then said, "So you think I ought to be dead?"
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« Reply #96 on: March 12, 2005, 06:46:05 AM »
If a 12 year old got an abortion then they will get her records & rightfully so. Thats no reason to just open the books so they can dig thru everyones private lives.  
Seems pretty liberal a view to me that all should give up privacy so maybe that DA can find a lawbreaker.

How are you gonna feel when they break in your door because you might have an illegal weapon? Or because someone without a clue says they think you do?

Freedom & privacy rights shouldnt be surrendered by the masses to forward anyones adjenda.

Despite what Iron Glow says its not cut & dry as far as the abortion issue.
If it was then we wouldnt be having this discussion & while I have great respect for him, find I must disagree.


We live in a (supposedly) free society acording to laws that (suposedly) we have a say in. This has been decided to be a legal thing & IMO thats good as there are cases where it might be deemed necesary if one chooses.

I wouldnt choose that path & as I said earlier hopefully my kids wont either & they will pass on the same values I'm trying to pass on to them.

That said, its not my affair what others who dont value life as much as I do
choose to do. Does it sadden me? Often yes it does. Doesnt change my feelings tho & neither does the fire & brimstone rhetoric I hear among some more devout Catholics that I come into contact with at family gatherings.

We worry about an unborn child that may or may not be a child in Gods eyes, yet think its ok to kill thousands of people on the other side of the world because they might be a threat to our security.

I'd say a mother & father have more right to decide their childs fate than our country has to decide Iraqs fate. JMO  :wink:
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« Reply #97 on: March 12, 2005, 09:39:11 AM »
Haywood the latest offer was for one mil and it was offered by some guy in CA. it was a news item on the home page I have for Juno. If the article would not have said one mil I would not have posted as such. It was a new article the day I posted it. Jim
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« Reply #98 on: March 12, 2005, 10:49:33 AM »
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First the "privacy" rights...
 
   Anytime a 12 or 13 year old child applies an abortion, all reasonable adults should be concerned..

  1.) When a little child like that is found pregnant, and the sperm-donor is of an adult age....A RAPE HAS BEEN COMMITTED..perhaps many times over..
    If the adult community looks the other way. they are accessories to the crime...aiding the evasion of the rapist!

 


Ironglow, nobody seeks help from someone who will snitch them out, and honorable people do not betray confidences. If pregnant girls do not have someone they can trust to keep their secrets, they will turn to other means.

The most obvious is RU-486 off the web. In this day and age, even the 12 year olds can work the web better than you and I. RU-486 will abort, but it is horribly dangerous without follow up care.  You're gonna have young girls dying by the dozen.

Mere pregnancy does not carry with it a presumption of rape, even in very young girls. There are states with very low age of consent laws and many, many more states with exceptions for sex partners of about the same age. It is far more common for the very young to become pregnant by someone roughly their own age than by an adult.

When the health care provider is allowed discretion, s/he can try to sort out which is which, decide which cases justify a breach of confidence or an offer of shelter and support.

When there is no discretion, the only honorable course is to inform the girl straightup, before even taking her name, exactly what must be reported and what will not be. Honorable people, threatened with prison for not becoming police snitches, will make certain that they are not  told anything in confidence that must be reported.

Narrow minded people might regard such candid disclosure as a short course in what lies to tell. They might even be right, but it's gonna be mighty tough to prove.

My theory is that support for forced reporting depends on how many girls you are willing to kill.
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« Reply #99 on: March 12, 2005, 12:42:34 PM »
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Haywood the latest offer was for one mil and it was offered by some guy in CA. it was a news item on the home page I have for Juno. If the article would not have said one mil I would not have posted as such. It was a new article the day I posted it. Jim


My apologies...  Has he taken it?  Or is he holding out  for a better offer maybe?

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« Reply #100 on: March 12, 2005, 02:03:44 PM »
No need to apologise Haywood all you did is state info that you thought was up to date. No he did not accept that either. I have to give him credit for that though I still think he is a jerk.
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« Reply #101 on: March 12, 2005, 03:01:56 PM »
LEVERDUDE. An unborn child may or may not be a child in Gods eyes? You are jokeing, right?  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll: POWDERMAN.
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« Reply #102 on: March 12, 2005, 04:13:03 PM »
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LEVERDUDE. An unborn child may or may not be a child in Gods eyes? You are jokeing, right?  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll: POWDERMAN.


Nope, not joking. I dont honestly know how God feels about it. Do you?
Again I'm not joking. If its in the bible & you can point me towards it I'd appreciate it.

I posted somewhere, mighta been this thread but I'm not sure, about a conversation I had not long ago with a priest at our parish. I dont go much & he knows this & makes it a point to talk to me a few minutes when we see one another. I should add that I enjoy his company.
Anyway his opinion on  birth control was abstinance was the only acceptable way. To him a condom or the pill are the same as abortion because they block a life God wanted to see happen.
I cant say weather he's right or wrong any more than I can say you are. I dont know. I dont think anyone knows.
I know what I believe & thats how I govern my life. I am gratefull that I was born in a country that lets me believe what I choose to & cant justify imposing what I believe to be true on someone else.
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« Reply #103 on: March 12, 2005, 04:40:23 PM »
LEVERDUDE. Theres a passage in the Bible where God states, I knew ye in the womb, or before ye were in the womb. Hopefully Ironglow or someone else knows the chapter and verse. If they don't respond I'll try to find it tomorrow afternoon.
As far as I know only the catholic church sees birth control as wrong. I personally see no connection with it to abortion. Birth control is to prevent an unwanted child. Abortion is to kill the unwanted child.
Thank you for your input. POWDERMAN.  :D  :D  :D  :D
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« Reply #104 on: March 12, 2005, 05:42:01 PM »
Powderman, Yea the Catholic Church still sees birth control as wrong yet lots of Catholics practice it due to not wanting any more children for what ever reason. While the Church does not condone it ( Birthcontrol) they see the bigger evil in abortion which I agree. Jim
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« Reply #105 on: March 12, 2005, 05:51:04 PM »
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I personally see no connection with it to abortion. Birth control is to prevent an unwanted child. Abortion is to kill the unwanted child.


I see a connection...

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« Reply #106 on: March 12, 2005, 06:05:31 PM »
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I personally see no connection with it to abortion. Birth control is to prevent an unwanted child. Abortion is to kill the unwanted child.


I see a connection...

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I must not be getting it. I too, see no connection. Only the words 'unwanted child'. But one kills, one prevents. Two different states. What connection is there, FWiedner?  :D
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« Reply #107 on: March 12, 2005, 07:43:50 PM »
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Powderman, Yea the Catholic Church still sees birth control as wrong yet lots of Catholics practice it due to not wanting any more children for what ever reason. While the Church does not condone it ( Birthcontrol) they see the bigger evil in abortion which I agree. Jim


Not "still", JH.  More like "recently".  The Catholic Church did not adopt its current stance until about 1870.
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« Reply #108 on: March 12, 2005, 08:16:10 PM »
Close enough
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« Reply #109 on: March 13, 2005, 03:37:33 AM »
LODJ. If you mean the end result is the same, you are wrong. In abortion, a murder has been comitted. There is no connection. POWDERMAN.  :?  :?  :?  :?  :?  :?
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« Reply #110 on: March 13, 2005, 05:26:13 AM »
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LODJ. If you mean the end result is the same, you are wrong. In abortion, a murder has been comitted. There is no connection. POWDERMAN.  :?  :?  :?  :?  :?  :?



This is what I find it hard to come to grips with. You cant have a murder of someone yet to be born. I do think its a more repulsive thing to have an abortion late in a pregnancy but again, thats my feelings, an emotional response if you will & not something that needs legislation.

If its wrong in a spiritual sense in that God wanted that life to happen then how can it be ok to stop it before it can even start?

I know he said be fruitfull & multiply. If thats taken literally then we ought to have as many children as possible. At the time when the bible & Christianity were in their infancy this was a good thing to desire & preach.
Population wasn't an issue, alot of children died during childbirth or within the first few years of life. Children were needed to help a community suceed & the more the better.

Thats no longer the case. We limit the size of our families in various ways which in itself seems like it may go against alot of  things Christian.

I tend to believe that God gave us the world as our home & gave us the intellegence & the means to make it a good place to live. He left us to be guardians of the world & all the plants & animals are here for our needs. We'v come to a point where the natural things that once limited our population are pretty ineffective & therefore came up with birth control & abortions, both of which are only possible because of the knowledge that God made it possible for us to obtain.
We now, for the first time in history, are hurting our planet to the point where the things that God gave us for sustanance are in serious danger.
Our air is polluted, the animals he put here to feed us have little unspoiled habitat left, the same for most all natural resources.

Left unchecked we will just use up the earth untill theres nothing for future generations.

I would think that God would frown on this as we have the knowledge that we are killing the planet & we have the technology to fix things.

I think alot of the more recent epidemics like Aids are nature trying like heck to cull a population thats out of control. Theres always been a system of checks & balances & we've been hard at work for thousands of years to defeat it. Now that we have just about got it to where every baby lives & most people live well into their seventies it seems the only thing limiting our growth is ourselves.
If someone makes a mistake ( we are after all human) & knows that they cant give a child what it needs & do what they do for what they believe is a good reason & do it promptly I dont think God will look on them any different than someone using birth control. Birth control isn't fool proof either. Condoms break, sometimes the pill dont work & sometimes people just do foolish things.

Like anything else, we as people have the ability to abuse birth control or abortion in order to lead lives that are less than moral in my view.

I believe thats for God to decide not the Gov't & when the time comes to answer for it I believe all will be well for me because I do & believe what I think is right & good & I know God knows this.
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« Reply #111 on: March 13, 2005, 08:55:24 AM »
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LODJ. If you mean the end result is the same, you are wrong. In abortion, a murder has been comitted. There is no connection. POWDERMAN.  :?  :?  :?  :?  :?  :?


Powderman, I am not quite sure what you are talking about. If you are objecting to a post of mine, please quote and repost your objection.
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« Reply #112 on: March 13, 2005, 09:04:31 AM »
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US Constitution Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Where is the probable cause against the 90 women?



 
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investigation into underage sex and illegal late-term abortions.


This is enough of a reason.
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« Reply #113 on: March 13, 2005, 09:50:10 AM »
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US Constitution Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Where is the probable cause against the 90 women?



 
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investigation into underage sex and illegal late-term abortions.


This is enough of a reason.



So if theyre doing an investigation into a rapist they should be able to make every male submit to DNA testing?

If they have a girl they suspect had an abortion done underage they need only look at her records.  That I believe is the issue here  :roll:
 
Its suprising how many people who rant when faced with losing rights they want, lose perspective when we are talking about something they dissagree with.

This is akin to saying its ok for the authorities to go thru anyones things anytime they wish because they think there MIGHT have been a crime comitted. Thats not how our system is supposed to work.

You want to keep the rights you think matter you oughtta fight & stand up for all of them.

Doesnt matter if your for or against abortion these women have a right to privacy concerning their personal lives.
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« Reply #114 on: March 13, 2005, 01:29:57 PM »
LODJ. I appologize Sir, I should have addressed that to Fweidner.  :D  :D . POWDERMAN.  :?  :?  :?  :?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
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« Reply #115 on: March 14, 2005, 07:08:59 AM »
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So if theyre doing an investigation into a rapist they should be able to make every male submit to DNA testing?


No...But they should be able to test the male's that come close to the description provided by the accuser.
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If they have a girl they suspect had an abortion done underage they need only look at her records.  That I believe is the issue here  :roll:


And press for the "male" involved for rape charges.
"I have the duty to investigate and prosecute child rape and other crimes in order to protect Kansas children.''
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« Reply #116 on: March 14, 2005, 07:21:26 AM »
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Since I did not get a answer on this I still would like to know what you guys think about this. If a woman gets a abortion the law considers it legal and the fetus is not considered a baby??? Yet if one of us killed a woman who was pregnant the law would charge us with a double murder and considers the fetus as a living person???? So how do you explain that? Sure as heck is a double standard if you ask me!!!!!!!  :x


I agree.. If the "thing" or "object" can be aborted, then you cannot charge for murder as from what I understand the whole reason for the allowing of abortions is the "thing" or "object" is not considered a living entity and therefore can be removed. If that's the case, then there can be no murder because there was nothing alive to murder.


Another thing that burns the heck out me is a woman can abort without having any long term responsibilities. She says "get rid of it" and it's gone. But take a male that says "I don't want that, get rid of it", and he is told you can't do a thing about it, so sorry, and if you're not with the mother when it's born, "then you can pay child support for the next 18 or so years because you are fully aware of what can happen when you have sex and now you must be held responsible for your actions.". That's also another double standard as I see it. She can walk away and not have to be held responsible for her actions (after all, she knows what can happen when you have sex) and sometimes even be treated as a victim, but the male gets the shaft no matter what.
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« Reply #117 on: March 14, 2005, 10:47:17 AM »
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Since I did not get a answer on this I still would like to know what you guys think about this. If a woman gets a abortion the law considers it legal and the fetus is not considered a baby??? Yet if one of us killed a woman who was pregnant the law would charge us with a double murder and considers the fetus as a living person???? So how do you explain that? Sure as heck is a double standard if you ask me!!!!!!!  :x


I agree.. If the "thing" or "object" can be aborted, then you cannot charge for murder as from what I understand the whole reason for the allowing of abortions is the "thing" or "object" is not considered a living entity and therefore can be removed. If that's the case, then there can be no murder because there was nothing alive to murder.


Another thing that burns the heck out me is a woman can abort without having any long term responsibilities. She says "get rid of it" and it's gone. But take a male that says "I don't want that, get rid of it", and he is told you can't do a thing about it, so sorry, and if you're not with the mother when it's born, "then you can pay child support for the next 18 or so years because you are fully aware of what can happen when you have sex and now you must be held responsible for your actions.". That's also another double standard as I see it. She can walk away and not have to be held responsible for her actions (after all, she knows what can happen when you have sex) and sometimes even be treated as a victim, but the male gets the shaft no matter what.



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« Reply #118 on: March 14, 2005, 12:28:30 PM »
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No...But they should be able to test the male's that come close to the description provided by the accuser.


Agreed, so then let them look at the records of the girls they think broke the law. Theyre looking to see if a law was broken not because one was.
My rape analogy isn't really appropriate as in a rape they know a crime has been commited. It doesnt apear that he's at all sure one has been commited here.


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And press for the "male" involved for rape charges.
"I have the duty to investigate and prosecute child rape and other crimes in order to protect Kansas children.''


He sure does & should, but he also has a duty to respect the law & the law says he cant just look thru medical records hoping to find a crime has been commited.

Maybe he's just bored.

Look, if some 15 year old went in there & got an abortion why the need to search everyones records?
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« Reply #119 on: March 14, 2005, 12:50:35 PM »
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So if theyre doing an investigation into a rapist they should be able to make every male submit to DNA testing?


No...But they should be able to test the male's that come close to the description provided by the accuser.
Quote from: Leverdude


If they have a girl they suspect had an abortion done underage they need only look at her records.  That I believe is the issue here  :roll:


And press for the "male" involved for rape charges.
"I have the duty to investigate and prosecute child rape and other crimes in order to protect Kansas children.''


Better think this one through. If there is enough of  description to narrow the field to five men, DNA testing is reasonable. ten men and we can argue about it, a hundred men and the answer is no, a thousand men and the answer is hell, no! You have to balance what you hope to accomplish against who you will hurt to do it. Personally, ain't nobody getting a sample from me without a court order or a fight.

btw, there is no such thing as girl who has an abortion underage. There is no age limit on abortion.  If someone knows of a girl who has aborted while very young, he does not need any medical records, he can go and talk to her directly.  Take a lot meaner man than me to do that, though.
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