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Offline KF9VH

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357 mag or 38 +p for a 686 4" barrel?
« on: February 27, 2005, 11:11:38 AM »
What is the difference in recoil between these two? I have read some prefer the +p's for self defence, what do you all think.

I am looking for a good self-defence load for a 686 4 inch gun.

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357 mag or 38 +p for a 686 4" barrel?
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2005, 11:30:35 AM »
While I am an admirer of the 357 Magnum cartridge, I usually prefer to carry 38 Special +P ammunition in my self defense revolvers. The +Ps are much easier to control, especially for fast follow-up shots. I also think they provide adequate stopping power, especially in several of the newer loadings. The +P will never be a 357, but that does not mean it is a poor choice for "serious social purposes."

I believe many people using full-house 357 Magnum ammunition shoot  poorly due to recoil and muzzlle blast. I have observed this over many years as a defensive firearms instructor.

I am also a great fan of the L Frame S&W revolvers. 8)

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357 mag or 38 +p for a 686 4" barrel?
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2005, 01:36:41 PM »
I carry a 38 on duty, loaded with Federal Nyclad +P's, but only because I'm limited to 38's.  If it were up to me, I'd carry a good magnum load.  My house gun is also loaded with 38 +P's, but that's mostly because my fiancee is there alone two nights a week, and I don't think she'd handle the magnums as well.  If I lived alone it would be different.  The recoil equation is up to you, the 357 bucks and roars a lot more, but it's also a better stopper than ANY 38 load, plus P or not.  
   
I was also a police firearms instructor, and while we practiced with 38's, we carried magnum rounds on duty.  It was cheaper, it was easier on the guns, and we figured in those naive days that the guys would never notice the difference in the stress of a shooting situation.  Luckily, we never found out in the time I was there, the only shots fired were at animals.  The biggest advantage of the 357 is the amount of hydrostatic shock it imparts in liquid targets, something the 38 can't approach.  People hit in the thorax with 357's tend to go down RIGHT NOW, as opposed to bad guys who soaked up several 38's before giving up.  Faster is better.  There wouldn't be so much emphasis on energy figures if they didn't mean anything!

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357 mag or 38 +p for a 686 4" barrel?
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2005, 01:20:56 AM »
I think papajohn has it right.

I would shoot 38 wadcutter loads in this gun until you have complete confidence in the action and can control any flinching, then and only then start using the .357 rounds.  A good test is to but one empty round in cylinder with the rest being live, spin cylinder and close so you do not know where empty round is...now shoot like normal, when empty comes around look for excess muzzle movement.

The 38 wadcutter is a great target round and is much much cheaper than .357's.  I shoot 100-200 wadcutters a week.
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