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Bought a 45-70 barrel/Need advice on fitting to receiver
« on: February 28, 2005, 03:22:46 PM »
Just bought a 45-70 barrel and needed some advice on getting it to fit right. The barrell will almost lock up but not quite when I close the receiver. It feels like it needs just a little more room to lock up.

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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2005, 04:08:04 PM »
wtxbadger, send me your phone number in a PM and what time to call tomorrow and I try to talk you through fitting that barrel. It does not sound like it will be much of a problem. I trust your reciever will handle the 45-70? Which reciever is it and what barrel was on it when you bought it? Did you buy the gun new or used? What 2 letters do the serial number start with? What finish is on the reciever?....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2005, 04:11:21 PM »
Check the gap at the top of the barrel, if the gap is bigger there than closer to the middle, you'll need to remove metal from the pivot on the underlug. I use a drill bit wrapped with emery or crocus cloth to deepen the pivot point on the barrel. The pivot pin measures .370", so you need a combined total of than amount or real close to it between the dill bit and emery cloth thickness to maintain the pivot's size. Be careful not to get it out of square and not to make the pivot point any wider, just deeper. Keep working it until it locks up and there is no visible gap between the barrel and standing breech. It should lock up tight on a .002" feeler gauge blade and snug on a .001" blade. Once you get that tolerance, you need to check the latch engagement. Clean, then smoke the latch shelf on the barrel with a candle, then mount the barrel and close the action, you should have approx 1/8" latch engagement on the latch shelf as shown by the mark in the smoked shelf. If it barely engages, hone the latch shelf on the barrel with a stone to remove some metal and smooth the surface, check it again, continue until you get good engagement. I just did a used barrel that I bought from Mac, it was a tough one, but I got her whipped!

Good luck and feel free to ask questions.

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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2005, 04:14:02 PM »
Quicks instructions are wonderful!!! If you still want some assistance let me know....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2005, 04:27:23 PM »
MSP, sorry, I was typing when you were posting or I wouldn't have jumped in there on top of ya.... :oops:
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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2005, 04:38:11 PM »
Quick old buddy, I am happy to see you typed what I was thinking. Sometimes I find it a bit easier to talk someone through something than putting it down on paper. I am glad you put such great directions down in the written word. We should probably have them posted to the FAQ's!!!....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2005, 04:41:43 PM »
Thanks MSP! I have posted it before, but I have never found it again!!! Must be buried in another topic....Maybe Mac will put it in the FAQ if it's OK with Graybeard....????
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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2005, 04:43:08 PM »
Quick old buddy, I am happy to see you typed what I was thinking. Sometimes I find it a bit easier to talk someone through something than putting it down on paper. I am glad you put such great directions down in the written word. We should probably have them posted to the FAQ's!!!....<><.... :grin:


OK here's an edit for you, I have no idea how this got double posted and there is no delete tab on the post, so I guess we will have to live with it, unless a kind moderator or GB himself can put it out of it's duplicitous misery....<><.... :roll:
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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2005, 01:12:38 AM »
I wondered if the pivot point was where to start on this, or if where it latched up on the barrel might need some work. I bought the gun new last year and it had a 30-30 barrel. I enjoyed shooting the 30-30, but decided I wanted something with a longer range for west TX and traded the 30-30 barrel to Duce for a .280 barrel. The .280 was a little sloppy but shimming took care of the problem and I was impressed with how well it shoots.
Don't know why but the 45-70 has always appealed to me and when one showed up on the classifieds the other week I had to have it. The barrel will almost lock up, but not quite. After reading quickdtoo's post it does look like it needs just a little work on the underlug to get it to fit.
Hats off to both of you for your help on this. If I can get in early enough this evening I will give it a shot and try to get it to fit.

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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2005, 03:00:33 AM »
These posts answers some of my questions too. The work on the pivot point seems like a easy fix---- but what about the shimming on one too loose, how about a quick lesson on that for us handi- newbys ??
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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2005, 06:07:04 AM »
Just to make it clear, all work needs to be done on the barrel, never make any changes to the frame or your other barrels won't fit proper.

You can make a temporary shim to wrap the pivot pin to find out how thick the shim needs to be to get the barrel tight at the standing breech. The goal is to have no visible space at that point, and a .002" feeler gauge blade placed across the breech above the firing pin should be real tough or can't be pulled out of the space there...while a .001" blade can be pulled out with some effort. These 2 "specs" are what a factory fitted barrel will yield. I use sode pop can material for the temporary shim, it usually measures .002" and you can use multiple layers to get a thicker shim. Once you have determined the right thickness, buy a cheap feeler gauge set at an auto supply store, look for a set that has .001" increments in the blade assortment. Choose the right size blade, anneal it by heating it cherry red then let it air cool. Cut it to the width of the barrel lug pivot then file the piece so the edges are nice and flat. Rough up one side of it so epoxy will adhere good. Clean it and the barrel pivot well with acetone or alchohol. You'll also need something that is the same diameter or slightly smaller than the pivot pin which is .370" in diameter. I have a brass drift that is .368" that I use to press the shim into the pivot using a "C" clamp. Just place the shim against the pivot surface, place the round drill bit or whatever you use against the shim, place the clamp jaw against the round stock and the other screw end of the clamp against the edge of the latch shelf and tighten the clamp. This will force the shim into the pivot surface and form it to the pivot. Once it's formed, just mix up some JB Weld epoxy and epoxy it together. Make sure you use a release agent on the round piece so you don't epoxy it to the barrel. I used TC Bore Butter on mine because it was handy, but Pam or just about any oil or grease should work, just be sure not to get the release agent on the epoxied surface or the epoxy won't hold. Wipe away any excess epoxy from the underlug surface and let it cure. I used the 4 minute JB Weld and it is fully cured in 4hrs at room temp. After it's cured used an 11/32" drill bit wrapped with emery cloth to make the final fitting. You want the emery cloth wrapped drill bit to measure as close to .370" diameter so the pivot surface is the same size as the pivot pin...so use the right size drill bit to get that total diameter including the emery cloth. After you get lock up and the correct spacing checks are made, work on the latch shelf according to the instruction in my other post. Once you get everything fitted correctly, apply a bit of grease or oil to the pivot pin, I use Tetra grease on mine, but any lube will help maintain the tolerance of the fit so the barrel doesn't loosen over time. The latch and latch shelf should be dry, no oil there, just a smooth surface.

Good luck and ask questions if you have em!

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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2005, 02:44:53 PM »
Thanks for the great advice on fitting the 45-70 barrel. Got it finished up this afternoon and had just enough time to shoot a few rounds this evening. This cartridge is a lot of fun. Had a couple of empty gallon size water bottles that I filled with water to use for this evening and after a couple of rounds to see where it was hitting the 45-70 is a very impressive round. Both made a spectacular sight when hit. A few more trips to the range to see where it hits on paper and get it dialed in and then can't wait to see how it does next deer season. I am shooting iron sights for now, but wondered what kind of scope might be good for this one?

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