Author Topic: Don't mean to beat this in the ground but.... (Read 1298 times)

BKS · « **on:** March 02, 2005, 12:11:22 PM »

Can you or can you not, take the stocks off of an Encore and put a pistol stock and barrel on it and have a LEGAL pistol?

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 02, 2005, 01:36:23 PM »

Quote from: BKS

Can you or can you not, take the stocks off of an Encore and put a pistol stock and barrel on it and have a LEGAL pistol?

if it is a registered rifle frame no. Have people done it, I am sure they have, but it is not legal.

MickinColo · « **Reply #2 on:** March 02, 2005, 01:52:50 PM »

In this state the frame and the frame only of a Contender or an Encore is registered and its either registered as a pistol or rifle.

I personally dont worry about using a T/C frame to configure a legal rifle or pistol regardless of how the frame is registered. It may be illegal in some states and maybe in this state, I still dont worry about it. Its never been a big deal with the law enforcement people Ive talked to, as long as its setup as a legal rifle or pistol.

Keith L · « **Reply #3 on:** March 02, 2005, 02:35:43 PM »

This topic comes up every few weeks. I am no lawyer, but my understanding is it isn't the state that will care in most states, but more the feds. And it isn't how the frame is regestered, but how T/C reports it to the BATF.

I guess I don't need them complicating my life. All of my Contenders started life as pistols just to be safe.

Graybeard · « **Reply #4 on:** March 02, 2005, 04:00:17 PM »

There are no sure answers only opinions. Once someone has done it, gotten charged and tried in court we'll know for sure. Until then it's just a matter of who's opinion you want to believe. At this time there is no court precedent set. The famous TC case was NOT about this issue.

Flash · « **Reply #5 on:** March 03, 2005, 11:18:43 AM »

I'm not too sure that a federal agent wouldn't research the serial number of a Contender once there were other federal charges lodged against an individual. I definately wouldn't think that a federal agent would be stalking hunting grounds for a illegal Contender or Encore. I have a few frames that I'm not shure of what they started out as but I don't have a behavior that would draw attention to myself, I just legaly hunt with them.

Pruts · « **Reply #6 on:** March 09, 2005, 08:20:25 AM »

Let's say I take my Encore rifle serial number to the local state office and try to get that serial number placed on my permit as a pistol. Is there some way that the government would know that the serial number is actually for a rifle? If I could do that it would save me the $200 to get the government to change over the number "officially."

Pruts

SLAVAGE · « **Reply #7 on:** March 09, 2005, 08:38:15 AM »

200 for the gov to redo it as a pistol hell just go get a new frame for 300 an call it a day lol

Greenhunter · « **Reply #8 on:** May 17, 2005, 05:21:46 PM »

If you have a Encore or Contender RIFLE, it must have a barrel length of at least 16 inches or more. If you switch out the rifle stock for a PISTOL grip, you must attach a barrel of less than 16 inches on it to comply with federal laws. It does not matter if the frame is registered as a rifle or a pistol. That is one of the wonderful things about a Contender or an Encore, you can easily change them from rifles to pistols in about 5 minutes. It's legal as long as you have the appropriate barrel on your pistol or your rifle.

Keith L · « **Reply #9 on:** May 17, 2005, 10:22:35 PM »

Quote from: Greenhunter

If you have a Encore or Contender RIFLE, it must have a barrel length of at least 16 inches or more. If you switch out the rifle stock for a PISTOL grip, you must attach a barrel of less than 16 inches on it to comply with federal laws. It does not matter if the frame is registered as a rifle or a pistol. That is one of the wonderful things about a Contender or an Encore, you can easily change them from rifles to pistols in about 5 minutes. It's legal as long as you have the appropriate barrel on your pistol or your rifle.

Let me know how your case comes out.

1. Rifle barrels must be longer than 16 inches. That is why super 16 barrels were 16 1/4 inches long.

2. I know of no law that says you have to have a pistol barrel shorter than 16 inches. If that is the case the super 16s would all be illegal for pistols.

3. Many state laws can put you in the hurt bag if you make a rifle into a pistol without proper registration. There is no case law on the federal laws on this topic.

4. Be careful of advice you get on the internet. Do your own research and make up your own mind.

crow_feather · « **Reply #10 on:** May 21, 2005, 10:08:00 PM »

State law can be more restrictive, but not less restrictive than federal law. If you get information on state law, make sure that the person supplying the information is a law enforcement official. "A guy at the gun show" or "crow-feather on the internet" isn't going to work when a judge asks where you got your information. You need a name, agency, and I D number. Of course the odds are that your short barrelled rifle or long barrelled pistol will never get you into trouble. But then, someone usually wins the lottery. And if you take your weapon on a trip across state lines, a whole new set of laws applies.

JMHO
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