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Offline willysjeep134

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Going winter hiking tomorrow
« on: March 05, 2005, 06:18:00 PM »
Here's the plan. A few buddys from my dorm and I decided to take a winter hike at the Mc Cormic Recreation Area and hike in. We will be spending three nights out. We don't have any mileage goals. We're going to estabish a base camp and take a few day hikes.

The McCormic Rec. Area is in the Escanaba River State Forest just south of the Huron Mountain Club in the UP of MI. It has an established trail to follow if you wish, and we will follow it for quite a ways. We plan on pulling off somewhere after a few miles and establishing our camp.

I just got some new gear to try out. I am a wool fanatic. I like to buy from N. American companies too. I just got a Codet Melton wool vest. It isn't made in the USA, but Canada is OK in my book too. I also have their wool pants. The weather is supposed to be especially nasty over the next few days. Temperatures around zero and light snow. Hopefully the wool will come through. I think it is money well spent to not only get a very practical piece of clothin but to put money into the pockets of american and canadian textile workers.
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2005, 05:20:54 AM »
Sounds interesting. Post your experience when you get back. I'm especially interested in your sleeping system, and whether or not you have any problems with your bag icing up.

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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2005, 07:40:11 AM »
I too would like to hear your report when you get back. Your thoughts on equipment pro & con. I'm interested in gear that should have been brought and gear that could have been left behind. Let us know how the wool works out.
   As always, I hope everything goes well and have a safe return.
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2005, 06:29:49 AM »
The two guys who I went with are room mates. One of them is an avid winter camper(Steve), and the other is more of a summer camping man(Andy). Andy is also in the ROTC up here, so he had some military equipment he was going to use. We thought it would be OK. Unfortunately he didn't really have adequit boots, his GI snowshoes binding buckles were worn out and wouldn't stay tight, and his LC2 pack belt wouldn't fit around him and his winter clothing.

The hike in was problematic. The trail to White Deer Lake is supposed to be about 3 miles long. We managed it in four hours. We got to the old Cyrus McCormick settelment site and decided to camp there for the night. We dug an 8 by 10 foot pit in the snow, which was about 3 feet deep. We just strung a tarp up over the pit and spread out our sleeping gear.

On the hike in Andy, the ROTC man, must have tripped and fallen at least a dozen times. He was soaking wet by the time we got to our camping area. When we finally got to the camp site and cooled down a little he began to get cold. His GI combat boots and BDU pants were both soaked. We dug down through a 5 foot snowbank and made a fire to warm up by. It was in such a deep pit that the fire wouldn't draw that well most of the time, and almost smoked us out. We made a quick pot of chile and boiled some water for hot Nalgene bottle bed warmers. When we hit the sack I realised that I should have taken my thinner yet wider sleeping pad. This one I had borrowed form my dad wasn't wide enough so I hung over and onto the snowy floor in one spot. We all slept pretty well. The other guys were in GI arctic sleeping bags and on GI sleeping pads.

In the morning my sleeping bag was still warm, but my canvas over bag was frozen down where it was touching the snowy ground. We all crawled out, got our warm outer clothes on again and made some scrambled eggs and corned beef hash for breakfast. Steve and I took a short hike to get a look at the island on White deer lake. Andy stayed back at camp. It didn't take us a half hour.

When we got back Andy blew the whistle. He made us aware that he thought he had reached his limit. His clothing wasn't entirely adequit and he wasn't comfortable spending another night. We all agreed to hike out that day. I personally wasn't at my physical limit yet, but I was approaching my comfort limit. I also feel that it was a very good decision on his part to let us know.

So, Andy discovered that his BDU pants had frozen solid over night. He dug out his spare sweatpants and put them on. He put on dry socks and his slightly damp boots, then tried to put on his GI snowshoes. On the trek in I had used 550 cord to help lash his snowshoes on his feet. Now the straps on the shoes were frozen solid in place. He couldn't get them on. So, Steve let Andy borrow his commercial snowshoes and hiked back along the packed trail in boots. I took a little extra load from both of them seeing as I had good snowshoes on. We set off back over the trail to the car. It had snowed 4 inches the night before and the temperature had dropped from the mid 20s to around 12. The trail was mostly easy to follow, but with snowshoes and a pack on I think 3 miles was a very good workout for me. Without snowshoes on Steve set a pretty fast pace, so we made it out in half the time it took us to get in. Andy didn't fall nearly as much as on the way in.

My sleeping gear consisted of a canvas over-bag, a 5/8 inch closed cell pad, and an experienced Coleman 0 degree Holofil mummy bag.  My clothing was as follows; Duofold wool long johns, US Military winter wool boot socks, a Woolrcih shirt, Codet wool hunting pants with suspenders, a Codet wool vest, an M-65 Army field coat with liner, chopper mittens with wool inserts, and a Woolrich ear flap hunting cap, and LaCrosse Iceman pack boots. I had to shed quite a bit of that on the hike in. On the hike out I was hot, but kept most of it on. We were leaving after all. It didn't matter so much if I worked up a sweat.

We both thought Andy would be able to get by comfortably with his gear. I guess it depends a lot on the mentality of the user as well as the quality of the gear. If he hadn't fallen so much he would have been a lot better off. He was soaked through his BDU pants and polypropoline underware by the time we got to camp. If his snowshoes had been more dependable he would have been fine. The ROTC gets hand-me-downs from the national guard up here so the snowshoe bindings were pretty much beyond their expected life.

Now that we are back in our dorm Andy is feeling fine. He wasn't injured, but I think he will look into some better equipment before he goes winter camping again. Steve and I might take some of the extra food and go for another overnight campout somewhere closer to home. It wasn't a bad experience for me, but I think Andy learned some important lessons about winter camping the hard way on this trip. I just hope he doesn't get too discouraged and will give it another try with better equipment and more mild conditions.
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2005, 07:45:36 AM »
Well good, I'm glad everything went OK. I don't have the winter experience that ya'll do up north but I do learn a lot every time I go. I'm always changing and modifing my equipment list. Testing new gear is part of the fun, old worn out stuff is not sometimes.
    I think you guys used good judgement on allowing Andy to go back. I've seen people get ribbed so many times on their first outing that they'd never go again.  I'm sure he is already thinking about equipment changes for the next time.
   You guys got me wanting to go now.
  thanks for the report.

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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2005, 03:27:48 PM »
Sounds like you guys had a little winter adventure. Luckily you're friend didn't get frostbite or hypothermia. Winter camping is definitely not something to be taken lightly. Making a trip like that with non-insulated, non-waterproof military boots could have been alot worse.

It's good you guys had enough sense to take your buddy back home rather than trying to talk him into toughing it out. I camp alot in cold weather and alot of guys want to try it but not everyone is cut out for it.
Last year a bunch of us camped over a weekend when it was -20. One of the new guys showed up with non-insulated boots and a summer sleeping bag. He had no idea what he was in for and he was miserable. One of my friends ended up giving him his bag so he wouldn't freeze to death.

I now have extra zero degree bags and spare insulated boots that I take with me for people that show up unprepared. I like Carhart insulated bibs or overalls myself. Sometimes I just stuff them in the bottom of my pack in case I or someone else needs them. They are great for putting on if someone gets their clothes wet or sometimes if it's sub zero I put them on before crawling in my bag at nite.

I really think in cold weather though the boots are key to a person staying warm. It doesn't matter how many layers a person has on. If their boots get wet they are going to be cold. I've worn the same pair of Rocky waterproof insulated boots for the past 10 years. I've had to have new soles put on them cause I wore them out but the boots themselves are fantastic. I wear one pair of wool socks with them and I've stayed out all day in freezing weather many, many times with no problems whatsoever.

You've got the right idea starting your collection of cold weather gear. The stuff can be expensive but it's worth it. I've camped out 3 of th 4 past weekends in 20 degree weather and I'm leaving Friday for a weekend of trout fishing and camping.  Temps will be in the 20s and my brother is taking his 2 teenage sons with him and I dont know that they've cold weather camped before. I hope they come prepared but just in case I'm going to pack some extra Carharts and extra boots and bags.

Let us know how the next winter trip goes.

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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2005, 04:34:42 AM »
Willeys,
      It's nice to here from others from Marquette.  That hike in to White Deer lake can be rough.  Some friends and I camped there last year.  The temp bottomed out at -15 though.  We had one girl and guy head back after one night.  They broke two rules and paid the price.  The girl wore cotton under her shell and neither of them stripped layers for the hike in or when they built a quinze.  I hiked in in just a capiline top, pants and supplex pants.  Even with that I still sweat, but I only got one layer wet.  The one thing I always seem to do is pack way too much stuff.  Too much food and clothing.  I used a pulk last year, which just allowed me to add more stuff.  I brought a .22 rifle(which froze up and wouldn't fire), an ice auger and fishing gear.  My hips hurt so much from the sleds belt that I didn't enjoy the trip as much as I could have.  Next year my load will be much lighter.  If you will be here next winter feel free to contact me.  We always welcome more people on the trips. Also, I don't have the best gear, but if anyone has any questions about waht we used, ask away.  -Ian
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