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Offline rks1949

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« on: March 09, 2005, 02:00:30 AM »
I was checking Mid-Way last night,and it looked like I could buy bullets(200gr.W/C) about as cheap as I could cast them. It's getting pretty hard around this area to come up with lead,so I was wondering if any of you guys had switched from casting to,buying bullets.Ron S :-)
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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2005, 03:16:15 AM »
I'm guilty too. I can buy from a comercial caster alot easier than I can cast my own. He lives a few miles from where I hunt and can go by hsi house and get good deals. (don't quote me but I think I pay $15 for 500 hard cast .45, 185gr SWC and $20 for 250 290gr WFP .44.) Lead is getting scarce round here too so I save mine for jig heads to fish with.
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2005, 10:32:24 AM »
Its a no-brainer for me.  Casting my own is basically free.  All my cars are serviced by the same shop, so since I'm a good customer any time I need lead I just ask the owner.  I have found that 100% wheel weights are just perfect for my needs in both rifle and pistol.  If I get into a casting binge and run out, I go to a local tire dealer.  They have old weights by the bucketfull.  5 bucks usually gets my 5 gallon pail filled up.  The biggest problem is lifting the pail into the trunk of the car....LOL.
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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2005, 12:35:51 PM »
I guess I am one of the ones that buys them also. I don't want to add one more thing I have to go in the garage.  :D
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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2005, 02:49:58 PM »
I buy cast bullets, as for the price I have not the time nor am I willing to invest in the equipment and the study to handle this. HOW EVER I AM CLOSE TO RETIREMENT.
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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2005, 11:19:26 PM »
theres no way i can buy bullets for all the shooting i do and still be able to afford new guns so you know what i do! Granted I have enough money tied up in casting equip and molds that i could have boughten truck loads of bullets but when the bullets are gone there gone and to be honest to me anyway casting is my favorite hobby other then shooting. I just wish i could finds someone to do my loading :-D
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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2005, 09:33:04 AM »
I buy cast or swaged bullets for target shooting and plinking, especially in the heavier bullets. I do my casting for hard, fast bullets in handguns or gas-checked rifle loads.

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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2005, 11:08:30 AM »
It's not worth my time. I tried casting and unless I was going to get high volume production equipment at a dedicated casting workstation, it's just not worth the effort. It takes just as long or longer to size and quality assure your bullets.  The availability of lead around here is poor also, so wheelweights are not in abundant supply. Wheelweights require extra equipment to clean the metal and make ingots out of them. You can't use them directly for bullet casting.
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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2005, 02:13:24 PM »
I used to formulate #2 alloy from a concoction of lead pipe, linotype and bar solder.  Then the linotype got scarce and the solder was too expensive.  For me 100% wheel weights were a good compromise.  I don't go the ingot route - never could really understand the logic of melting it all twice.  I simply soak a couple of buckets of weights in Mister Clean overnight, then rinse and lay out on the floor on newspapers to dry.  They go right into the casting pot as-is.  What little oil or grease is left burns off (I keep a window open), the steel clips and junk floats to the top, and I use a bottom discharge melter.

My total equipment cost was maybe $50 for one caliber, and additional molds were maybe $12 each.  Been doing it this way for over 30 years and have been happy with the results.

Like a previous poster said, it's a hobby too.
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« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2005, 02:19:40 PM »
Hewre is a site you cant beat the prices,
 Northeastbullet.com

They have cast 200grSWC at $43per thousand Shipped. Now thats a good price and great bullets.
Talk to Tim McCandles, he is the owner and tell him Jerod Sent you.
They have topnotch service and are super to deal with.

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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2005, 08:42:27 PM »
as for myself I enjoy casting my own bullets,and reloading them,being human,we don't all have the same taste in every thing,if you don't like casting,by all means buy them,you can't beat the prices. :toast:
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2005, 12:56:03 PM »
I also enjoy casting my own bullets. I cast for four calibers in handgun & three in rifle.

I usually wait for a rainy day & spend the whole day casting in my garage. Naturally common sense dictates that I have both doors open to provide adequate ventilation.

I am retired so I have the time to do this. When I was working I occasionally had to purchase from a commercial bullet caster.

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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2005, 07:11:26 AM »
I would cast all if I had enough time.
But I must buy and cast.
I buy in as large a volume as possible to keep cost down.
Casting also keeps the cost down.

Casting is fun, though it is work.
When you do a good job you feel proud.
But I shoot the crap I turn out also.
A bullet has to look bad before I will re-cast it.

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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2005, 07:40:02 AM »
I use to cast my own out of wheel wieghts but got a smart and started buying them   :P  . I can truly understand the pride of making your own but the dangers of molten metal and lead fumes with my two kids steered me different. I do however cast my own catfishing lead wieghts buying those things aint cheap and even an ugly, frosted and wrinkled (poor quality) cast sinker works beautifully on the bottom of the river!

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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2005, 12:40:24 PM »
Casting is like any other aspect of hand loading: if you get it right you get better results than you can buy.  The only exception I ran into was a retired police officer who went into casting and got feedback from a high master shooter until he got his bullets really right.  This was 20+ years ago, and I doubt he is still in business.  Anyway, he would pack his work neatly in old cigar boxes, not just throw them into cartons will-nilly, so his didn't have all the dents and scraped-off lube the commercial stuff often does.

I have a couple of target pistols that like the Lee Tumble Lube bullet designs better than anything else I've tried and shoot groups with them almost half the size of the best cast bullet I can buy.  Time constraints for casting are real enough, but the 6-cavity Lee molds cut that obstacle down to size.  I can knock out 500 bullets in about two hours, including pot warm-up.  I won't put anything else in these two guns for a match.

You can look up metal foundries and actually buy virgin alloy.  Not free, like wheel weights, but you get exactly what you want.  If you can cough up the money for a couple hundred pounds at a time and know someone who works the receiving dock at work, it isn't a bad way to go.

As for casting hazards:  Welder's gloves and apron, full-face shield, outside-exhausting ventilating hood over the pot.  More bother, but all doable on the cheap if you look around for these items.

Nick

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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2005, 04:18:14 PM »
I do a bit of both. For just a fun day at the range, I shoot commercially cast SWCs in .41Magnum and .45ACP. For handgun silhouette and hunting I cast my own. The nice thing about casting is that you can have a mould cut for a bullet exactly the way you want it. I've got moulds in .41 caliber from 135grWC to 400grSPGC. It's still pretty difficult to find heavy .41 bullets at a price you can shoot alot and not end up in the poor house. The cost of my casting equipment has been paid for time and again in the last 35 years.  :wink:
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2005, 01:37:32 PM »
The safety issue comes up from time to time.  I read a report a few years ago that was done by an Engineering firm.  They did a full blown environmental study in the basement of a guy that was casting bullets using all Lee Equipment with nothing other than normal ventilation.  They put EPA/OSHA type monitors in the room as well as on the guy.  Their conclusion was that the airborne particles were well within govt. guidelines for the workplace.
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