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« Reply #120 on: April 28, 2005, 05:41:46 AM »
What Americans Think About Border Chaos

Now that data indicates the border is a vital issue for most Americans. Yet as you know, the federal government seems paralyzed in the face of the immigration chaos. The question is will everyday Americans rise up and demand to be protected? And the answer is, not until there's another 9/11.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,154907,00.html

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« Reply #121 on: May 05, 2005, 12:28:18 PM »
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So I guess that everyone who is not Native American [indian], is a terrorist or alien?
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The problem with your arguement is understanding historical facts, you notice the Euro-Americans took this country over due to the fact the tribes would not unite and work in unity to drive out invaders and unless Americans stand together against illegal immigration we will know how the Native tribes felt. Also you are bringing up historical issues which evolve over time I.E. we can not possibly continue the influx of illegals (go to fairus.org and see what it costs the US/year). I would almost bet you no one here has aproblem with LEGAL immigration and welcomes it but law breakers should not be tolerated.

Besides I can't understand how liberals or anyone else cry against this for illegals get taken advantage of due to there residence standing and if they were here LEGALLY they could work for better wages etc and actually take advantage of the American Dream.

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« Reply #122 on: May 06, 2005, 03:15:53 AM »
Mexicans Still Think They Own the U.S.

by Jim Meyers

Many Hispanic activists, Mexican citizens and perhaps even members of the Mexican government believe the American Southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico.

They refuse to accept the legality of the U.S. annexation of Texas in 1845, the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo following the Mexican-American War, which gave large parts of Mexico to the U.S., or the 1852 Gadsden Purchase of Mexican territory now in Arizona and New Mexico.

A Zogby poll found that 58 percent of Mexicans agreed with the statement, "The territory of the Southwest U.S. rightfully belongs to Mexico," and therefore they believe they don't need permission to enter.
In 1997, then-Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo told the National Council of La Raza in Chicago: "I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders."

And current President Vincente Fox "repeated this line during a 2001 visit to the U.S., when he called for open borders and endorsed Mexico's new dual citizenship law," according to Investor's Business Daily.

Activist Charles Trujillo, a professor at the University of New Mexico, predicts that a new Hispanic nation will be formed within this century, encompassing much of the American Southwest and part of northern Mexico.

He says U.S. states have the right to secede under our original Articles of Confederation, and this will occur in the future when several Southwest states have Hispanic majorities.

The Hispanic student activist group MECHa (a Spanish acronym for Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan) claims that Texas, California, Arizona, New Mexico and southern Colorado were stolen by the U.S. and should be returned to the people of Mexico, under the name "Nation of Aztlan."

Aztlan is the mythical original home of the Aztec people.

Some Californians seem to think that Los Angeles has already been "returned" to the Mexican people. As NewsMax.com reported in April, billboards touting a Spanish-language TV news program showed two newscasters in front of the L.A. skyline, with "Los Angeles, Mexico" printed above.

The billboards angered groups fighting illegal immigration. Stuart Fischoff, who teaches media psychology at California State-Los Angeles, told the L.A. Times: "The joke here is, ‘We're taking back California.' Underneath the joke is part of the truth."

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/5/5/121134.shtml

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« Reply #123 on: May 09, 2005, 04:05:32 AM »
Minutemen do the dirty work that 'government won't do'

Andy Isaacson

Curtis Stewart drives his truck to the Miracle Valley Bible College, where the Minuteman Project has set up its headquarters, a compound of ramshackle buildings situated in a high desert plain a mile from the barbed wire cattle fence dividing Arizona from Mexico.

"How many demonstrations have we had in the United States for women, lesbians, blacks -- minority demonstrations, right?" the San Antonio man asks from behind a windshield with a "Liberal Hunting Permit" sticker. "Never have you had the white, right wing say 'I've had it.' This is the first demonstration for the country since the Boston Tea Party."

Stewart and his fellow Minutemen could soon be headed for the California border if Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has his way.

Last month, hundreds of volunteers from across the nation heeded a call put out over the Internet by a loosely organized coalition of immigration activists to join a grassroots patrol of a 23-mile stretch along the nation's most penetrated section of border in Cochise County, Ariz.

It's a region steeped in a rich Wild West history of lawlessness. It was once home to Wyatt Earp, Geronimo, Army forts and gunfights at Tombstone's OK Corral.

Today Cochise County has the nation's largest flow of illegal migrants, a stream redirected from a more-enforced California border. In 2004, some 350, 000 migrants were caught along the Arizona border, almost half of them in this county.

In their wake are littered belongings, damaged property, strained social services, an enforcement presence and a violent edge. It's a reality that local resident May Kolbe calls "living in a war zone."

The border patrol volunteers call themselves the Minutemen after the Massachusetts colony militia that was the first to arrive at a battlefield. They are retired military, firefighters and construction workers who bring along a modest air force, communications equipment, guns, lawn chairs and sunscreen to perform "the job the government won't do."

Local residents and authorities eye the arrival of these outsiders suspiciously, mostly out of a concern for the potential violence they could usher in, fueling an already raging fire.

From a distance, volunteers seem easy to typecast as disaffected, libertarian xenophobes, but the Minutemen have a range of backgrounds and views from moderate to extreme. Some arrive out of a concern for jobs lost to the influx of cheaper labor or with stories of family members unable to get into hospital emergency rooms occupied by illegal immigrants.

"I feel our state was near bankruptcy and our budget upside down because of illegal immigration and all the health, welfare, prison and education costs that we have to pay," said Artie Chandler. "We strongly feel that it's taxation without representation, and we're going to change that."

Afraid of crooks, terrorists

Others are united by a fear of criminals and possible terrorists streaming unchecked by the thousands across a porous barbed wire cattle fence. They worry about the demographic changes in their communities and the violence they feel is a byproduct of impoverished immigrants seeking economic opportunities.

Many are Pat Buchanan Republicans and Constitution Party voters alienated ("Bushwhacked") by a conservative government that, they say, looks the other way while lining its political pockets with financial tributes from employers who profit from the exploitation of cheap labor.

For the alienated, the problem stems from a diplomatic failure between the White House and a corrupt, Mexican government that flagrantly assists the illegal flow, washing its hands of the impoverished many while welcoming remittances from migrant workers who send back their wages in amounts that surpass domestic oil revenues.

The volunteers feel they are the vanguard of a silent majority, which polls show favor a crackdown on illegal immigration. They are frustrated by the government's contradictory pro-security rhetoric and under-funded and ineffective border activities. For many volunteers, this is their first act of political protest, an exercise of civic responsibility not unlike a march on Washington.

"What we're doing right here is First and Second Amendment, plain and simple," says volunteer Greg Coody, an ostrich farmer from Waco, Texas, who stood night guard at a fortified Minuteman compound. "There's not any insurrection or vigilantism except to the extent that President Bush said to be vigilant after Sept. 11, 2001.

"We're trying to close this sieve that's called a border. If you don't want it to be against the law, then get rid of the law. But if you're going to have a law, then enforce it."

Chris Simcox, publisher of the Tombstone Tumbleweed and an organizer of the event, makes clear to volunteers at an orientation meeting on April 1 in Tombstone that their job is strictly to observe illegal activity, make no contact with migrants and report to the Border Patrol. "Hold the line, but put your ideals before any instant gratification," warns Simcox, alluding to the temptation to confront.

His words work. There are no reported incidents during the monthlong watch. One volunteer is sent home because, after he offered a distressed migrant a bowl of cereal and $20, he shook the man's hand, thereby breaking the no-contact policy.

Nevertheless, the Anglo-Saxon tapestry of the Minuteman volunteers who assemble to deter mostly nonwhite migrants incite accusations of racist intentions. But volunteers cloak their racial and cultural views under a legal banner. They say it's not about who comes in, but how.

"If I'm in my house and I see my neighbor's house being broken into and call the police, I'm not a racist just because the burglar was black, brown or some other color besides white," said Coody. "A burglar is a burglar. This is not a race thing, it's a law thing."

Well, not exactly.

Along the border fence one afternoon, a California volunteer with Hispanic roots complains about how his son was told by Mexican restaurants denying him employment that he is too white.

Another volunteer points to the shopping bags stuck in the shrubs on the south side of the fence left by journeying migrants. "I want to tell you something light, a little joke we talk about. See those white plastic bags? I've given them a new name. They're called Mexican Samsonite. Isn't it true? They're all over the place. ..."

Much of the hysteria about gun-toting vigilantes is much ado about nothing. Retired men and women sit on the backs of pickup trucks in six-hour shifts. They are concentrated along a 2-mile stretch of border fence and eye the vacant desert. They appear more like a Neighborhood Watch group or a bird- watching excursion than a violent, paramilitary force.

The kaleidoscope of characters swirls around them, however. Reporters and camera crews watch young, liberal ACLU representatives in white "Legal Observer" T-shirts watch over middle-aged, middle American Minutemen. The Minutemen watch over the desert for migrants. Border Patrol agents cruise by, responding to remote sensors planted in the brush, which these onlookers have tripped.

Apprehensions drop

The U.S. Border Patrol says migrant apprehensions last month in the corridor where the Minutemen were posted were down 65 percent from the same period a year ago. Emboldened by the turnout and the international attention it garnered, organizers plan to stage similar protests in other border states. Schwarzenegger says he would welcome the group in California.

Others say their emphasis on militarization of the border complicates the problem.

"What we're simply saying is give workers access to globalization," said Christian Ramirez, who directs the U.S./Mexico border program for the American Friends Service Committee and was among the several groups that arrived on the border to protest the Minutemen's presence.

"Why is it that the borders have come down for transnational corporations, but it has become more deadly for working people on both sides? It's been 11 years since NAFTA was introduced, and the issue of labor movements has not been resolved. Allow workers the same rights that we have allowed product," Ramirez said.

The Minutemen's core grievances about illegal immigration are what they perceive as changes to the status quo of culture and community and the "greedy, self-serving companies that are hiring these poor people." While their solutions vary, the right wingers patrolling the border and the left wingers blocking the World Bank doors both blame governments for the failure to rein in globalization run amok. It's an irony lost on Minuteman Curtis Stewart.

Globalization may have accelerated the flow of migrants across the U.S.- Mexico border. But in demanding a closed border and the preservation of a more unified culture, the Minutemen may be waging a fight in futility.

The forces that have governed the interminable flow of human beings across lands since time immemorial -- wealth, greed, power and human survival -- are deep and historic phenomena. What's to stop them now?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/05/08/INGFACJHK51.DTL

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« Reply #124 on: May 13, 2005, 04:04:29 AM »
Border Patrol told to stand down in Arizona

U.S. Border Patrol agents have been ordered not to arrest illegal aliens along the section of the Arizona border where protesters patrolled last month because an increase in apprehensions there would prove the effectiveness of Minuteman volunteers, The Washington Times has learned.

    More than a dozen agents, all of whom asked not to be identified for fear of retribution, said orders relayed by Border Patrol supervisors at the Naco, Ariz., station made it clear that arrests were "not to go up" along the 23-mile section of border that the volunteers monitored to protest illegal immigration.

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http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050513-122032-5055r.htm

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Now that the American People have gone home, the government once again turns it's back on the security of our nation...

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« Reply #125 on: May 13, 2005, 04:09:02 AM »
Border Patrol Takes Fire From Across Border

SOUTH OF ALAMO - Border Patrol officers take fire from across the Rio Grande at the Santa Ana National Wildlife Refuge.

Border Patrol agents come under automatic weapons fire from across the Rio Grande after finding a truck being loaded with drugs at the Santa Ana Wildlife Refuge south of Alamo.

No agents were injured in the exchange.

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http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/5/12/2682/Border-Patrol-Takes-Fire-From-Mexico

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Oh, but the Mexican people are our friends.  They don't want to hurt anyone.  They just want jobs picking lettuce...

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« Reply #126 on: May 14, 2005, 07:33:28 AM »
Workers, Drugs, Criminals ............... My son, a US MARINE was placed on Boarder Patrol a few years back ........... he and his Squad were issued 1 clip each of .223 live ammo and told not to us it. They ran into a nest of drug peddlers and were pushed to the limit - they had to take cover from significant threat / very tense. My son was not happy .... a lot of it is drugs and crime, not work.

America is not supposed to know whats going on.

Doesn't seem that anything can be fixed by government any more - other than their benefits, wages and our taxes ....... they fix them.
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« Reply #127 on: May 15, 2005, 05:52:04 AM »
:roll: I can't see where Jorge Boosh has done anything for this great country.  Just like Texas, he is running it in the ground with his personal agenda.

Perhaps he was a better choice than Kerry, but there are others republicans out there that can do a much better job of running this country that he is doing.  Leave it to Boosh and Tom DeLay and and we will all be speaking spanish by 2020.  

Funny thing too, Mr Fox has the Mexican Army on his southern border to keep folks out, he also has the Mexican Army on his northern border to help them get out.  

This is the only country in the world that lets illegals run around free with little or no effort toward sending them home.  I am tired of paying the cost to keep them here, higher school taxes to teach in spanish, higher medical cost due to the large number being treated free, increased crime increased social services, and most don't pay any taxes.  It's got to stop someplace.  I say now. :twisted:

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« Reply #128 on: May 15, 2005, 06:20:22 AM »
rockbilly:  They say JOBS THAT AMERICANS WONT DO .... Whats with that,
as a kid and beyond, I worked many jobs - tough and not always jobs to brag about ....... I wont even list them here. If Americans wont do the jobs, then somethings wrong with age of America. What I'm seeing, is a mess ....... working for low wage way beyond picking strawberrys / they call it Minority Workforce ........... pushing the living wage jobs out - taking us down. Adrian Michigan is becoming a nest ........ nothing being done that I can see ............ many benefits offered them ..... all papers are in two languages ....... can't speak english / full of tricks .... they try to pass stamps or volenteers, if asked for ID they pay cash. They go to self-serve all you can eat food places and stuff baby diaper bags with the food - theft is just a game.

AMERICA NOT FOR SALE AT ANY PRICE - OH YA !!!! Just let this continue for a few more years / you see our government try to make our volunteers look bad ................ We at least need government truth explaining why this is allowed. I can see a lot of volunteers in the future - retirees out of retirement.
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« Reply #129 on: May 16, 2005, 03:08:14 PM »
I apologize if this is a bit off topic but it seems relevent in light of the last few posts on the thread.
IMO the fellow coulda chose his words better but he's pretty close to right.



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Mexico's Fox Defends Comment on Blacks By TRACI CARL, Associated Press Writer
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MEXICO CITY - President     Vicente Fox refused to apologize Monday for saying Mexicans in the United States do the work that blacks won't — a comment widely viewed as acceptable in a country where blackface comedy is still considered funny and nicknames often reflect skin color.

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City had raised the issue with the Mexican government. "That's a very insensitive and inappropriate way to phrase this and we would hope that (the Mexicans) would clarify the remarks if they have a chance," Boucher said.

Fox's spokesman, Ruben Aguilar, said the remark has been misinterpreted as a racial slur. He said the president was speaking in defense of Mexican migrants as they come under attack by the new U.S. immigration measures that include a wall along the Mexico-California border.

Stung by the U.S. crackdown on illegal immigrants, many Mexicans — including Mexico City's archbishop — said Fox was just stating a fact.

"The president was just telling the truth," said Celedonio Gonzalez, a 35-year-old carpenter who worked illegally in Dallas for six months in 2001. "Mexicans go to the United States because they have to. Blacks want to earn better wages, and the Mexican — because he is illegal — takes what they pay him."

Later Monday, Aguilar said the president had a telephone conversation with     Rev. Jesse Jackson, assuring him he "had no racist intention" in the Friday remarks. Fox had also invited Jackson to meet with him to discuss joint strategies between blacks and immigrant groups in the United States, Aguilar said.

Jackson and the Rev.     Al Sharpton, both U.S. civil rights activists, said Fox should apologize. "His statement had the impact of being inciting and divisive," Jackson said earlier in the day.

Lisa Catanzarite, a sociologist at Washington State University, disputed Fox's assertion. She said there is intense competition for lucrative working class jobs like construction and that employers usually prefer to hire immigrants who don't know their rights.

"What Vicente Fox called a willingness to work ... translates into extreme exploitability," she said.

Fox made the comment Friday during a public appearance in Puerto Vallarta, saying: "There's no doubt that Mexican men and women — full of dignity, willpower and a capacity for work — are doing the work that not even blacks want to do in the United States."

Responding to the criticism Monday, Aguilar read a statement expressing Fox's "enormous respect for minorities, whatever their racial, ethnic or religious origin."

"The purpose (of the comment) was none other than to show the importance Mexican workers have today in the development and progress of U.S. society," Aguilar said, repeating a statement released Saturday.

He refused to comment further, saying only that Fox would "intensify his diplomatic efforts to protect the integrity of the Mexicans living in that country."

The dispute reflects Fox's growing frustration with U.S. immigration policy and deteriorating relations between the two nations.

The Mexican government was expected to send a diplomatic letter to the United States on Monday protesting recent measures that include requiring states to verify that people who apply for a driver's license are in the country legally, making it harder for migrants to gain amnesty, and overriding environmental laws to build a barrier along the California border with Mexico.

The measures have been widely criticized in Mexico, where residents increasingly see the United States as adopting anti-migrant policies.

Even Cardinal Norberto Rivera Carrera, the archbishop of Mexico City, criticized the U.S. policy as ridiculous and defended Fox's comments, saying: "The declaration had nothing to do with racism. It is a reality in the United States that anyone can prove."

Gilberto Rincon, president of the National Council to Prevent Discrimination, said the statement was "unfortunate." But, speaking after releasing a report on racism in Mexico, he said it reflected outdated language more than a racist attitude.

Fox has championed the rights of minorities and the disabled and has led a successful campaign to amend the constitution to make discrimination a crime.

George Grayson, a Mexican expert with the College of William & Mary in Virginia, said the dispute will hurt Fox's campaign to liberalize immigration laws, adding that it shows "once again how tone deaf Mexico's president is with respect to the United States."

While Mexico has a few, isolated black communities, the population is dominated by descendants of the country's Spanish colonizers and its native Indians. Comments that would generally be considered openly racist in the United States generate little attention here.

One afternoon television program regularly features a comedian in blackface chasing actresses in skimpy outfits, while an advertisement for a small, chocolate pastry called the "negrito" — the little black man — shows a white boy sprouting an afro as he eats the sweet. Many people hand out nicknames based on skin color.

Victor Hugo Flores, a 30-year-old bond salesman, cringed when asked what he thought of Fox's comment, but said it isn't too different from popular sayings celebrating what Mexicans see as a strong work ethic among blacks.

"It was bad, but it really isn't racist," he said. "Maybe the president shouldn't have said it. But here we say things like, 'He works like a black person,' and it's normal."

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I know here, in my area theres alot of folks that cant seem to find work, black, white, yellow, whatever.
Most of these guys were born here & need welfare because they say theres no work, but is it true? Can you say theres no employment when a Mexican or south American makes his way here from Mexico, cant speak the language or even get a license & yet with all that against them they find work.
A large part of the problem is America's youth is too good to pump gas or cut lawns anymore & our career welfare people feel the same way.
Here in my part of the country these guys make decent money, often $15 to $20 per hour after a few years. They work hard for it but if there were english speaking Americans willing to pay their dues they would displace them pretty quick I think.

May be different in other parts of the country but it seems here either the kids go to college or down the tubes.
When I was younger, I pumped gas, I washed dishes & made pizza, I worked in a first aid kit assembly line & at a Town Fair tire, I mixed cement & carried roofing, dug ditches & cut trees. I took what I could get & just kept looking for my nich so to speak. I didnt have the luxury of a formal education so I went & educated myself the way countless generations of people have done before me
Why cant Americans do that anymore?
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« Reply #130 on: May 16, 2005, 05:45:45 PM »
A little issue of character that we used to refer to as a "strong work-ethic".

People used to understand that if you don't work, you don't eat.

Nowadays we have the welfare/nanny state.

It's always somebody else's fault, and you must have had a disadvantaged childhood.

In modern America, even men who know how to put in a day's work for a day's pay don't have a clue how to teach that to their kids.

I think that's because we simply aren't permitted to deliver effective and occassionaly harsh discipline to children and young adults.

Another result of the social enlightenment enabled by the welfare/nanny state.

JMO

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« Reply #131 on: May 17, 2005, 05:44:28 AM »
I'll bet you will find this web link interesting.
http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm

I don't agree with everything he writes but the last one "Thoughts on Poverty" are dead on.

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« Reply #132 on: May 27, 2005, 02:59:12 AM »
Mexican commandos new threat on border

U.S.-trained elite force now works for drug cartel

WASHINGTON – Elite Mexican commandos, trained by U.S. forces to combat the drug cartels have switched sides and are working for the drug smugglers in the border area posing a special hazard to American law enforcement and Border Patrol agents, according to a U.S. Justice Department memo.

The commandos, trained by the U.S. Army at Fort Benning, Georgia, are known as "Los Zetas."

The Justice Department warning was sent to law enforcement agencies throughout the Southwest.

Using the commando training, Los Zetas are known to be extremely violent and have been blamed for an outbreak of violence along the Mexican border.

There are reports of the commandos making cross-border runs into U.S. territory in military-style vehicles, armed with automatic weapons.

The U.S. government has spent millions of dollars training Los Zetas to intercept drugs, some of them coming from Mexico's southern border, before they could reach the U.S. The U.S. government has also sent U.S. Border Patrol agents to Mexico's southern border with Guatemala to train law enforcement and military forces to intercept human smugglers destined to reach the U.S.

"Things like that are a concern to us, especially trained here on the U.S. side," Pima County Sheriff Tony Estrada told KVOA, channel 4 in Tucson, Arizona. "They've gotten pretty special training. ... Now, they are working with drug traffickers on the Mexican side."

Lt. Ron Benson added: "Not only did they receive some early military training but they developed their own internal training as well increasing their violence far beyond their own original capabilities."

Benson has worked with the Department of Homeland Security and tracked the rogue Mexican commandos. He is now retiring from the Pima County Sheriff's Department and will be working with the FBI.

"They are a threat to authorities not only in Texas, but in New Mexico, Arizona and California," he said. "Because we believe Los Zetas are being used as protectors for narcotics coming into this country."

Benson says sons and nephews of Los Zetas are starting their own organization and taking part in the drug wars.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44486

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The U.S. Government has been training guerillas and commandos in Central and South America for decades.  The U.S. government trained Usama Bin Laden and three-quarters of the best known operatives identified with Al-Queda.

This activity is continuing to come back and haunt us.  It is always The People and never the government that pays the price.

When will the U.S. government stop training terrorists?

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« Reply #133 on: May 27, 2005, 11:24:14 AM »
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When will the U.S. government stop training terrorists?



Who knows? Maybe after we're done training the ones in Iraq?   :)
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« Reply #134 on: June 01, 2005, 03:25:34 AM »
Iranian smuggling ring busted near Mex border

Feds believe man brought 60 from terrorist state into U.S.

A smuggling ring specializing in bringing Iranians into the U.S. over the Mexico border has been broken up in an FBI sting operation.

A 39-year-old Iranian with permanent legal residency status who is suspected of having smuggled 60 other Iranians into the U.S. was arrested Thursday in Mesa, Ariz., according to the U.S. Attorney's Office.

Iran has long been designated a terrorist state by the U.S. State Department and FBI.

A source told immigration officials that an Iranian man had sought help getting false Mexican visas so he could bring Iranians into Mexico and then across the border into Arizona.

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It was only a matter of time before someone noticed that the emperor didn't have any pants...

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« Reply #135 on: June 03, 2005, 05:21:46 AM »
Governor of Texas to allow Minuteman vigil at border

By Jerry Seper

Texas Gov. Rick Perry rejected a request by a Hispanic state senator to block plans by Minuteman Project volunteers to begin border patrols in October, saying no elected official has the authority to prevent "law-abiding citizens from traveling to, from or within this state."

In response to a resolution authored by State Sen. Juan "Chuy" Hinojosa and signed by 10 others, Mr. Perry said that although he is opposed to civilian volunteers patrolling the Texas border, he would not block their pending vigil, telling the senators that policy changes were needed to deal with the problem.

"I fully understand and can appreciate the frustration that many Texans and others across the nation have with illegal immigration, its potential impact on our national security and the unacceptable burden it is placing on taxpayers, and state and local criminal-justice, education and health care systems," Mr. Perry said in a statement.
 
    "The federal government can and must do more to close the border to illegal immigration," the two-term Republican said. "Until that happens, these kinds of citizen-initiated efforts likely will be the result. If you want to send the Minutemen home, I urge you to make sure we have enough federal agents on the border to secure it."
 
    Mr. Perry, who said 1.4 million illegal aliens live in Texas, warned that the "continued flow of a significant number of undocumented immigrants into the United States is not acceptable, especially in the post-September 11 era."
 
    U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee, Texas Democrat who also asked the governor to "disinvite" the Minutemen, told Mr. Perry she was concerned that the Arizona project had given people time to get "incensed" and was worried about "deadly violence" along the Texas vigil.
 
    Mr. Perry replied in a letter that border control and the enforcement of immigration laws are the federal government's responsibility and that as a member of the House Judiciary subcommittee on immigration, border security and claims, the congresswoman was "in a position to address this important matter."
 
    Mr. Hinojosa, a Democrat from McAllen, said in the resolution that Texas border communities rely heavily on tourism, commerce and the free flow of legal cross-border traffic to help support local economies and that the Minuteman patrols could "impede the traffic and negatively affect both tourism and trade along the border."
 
    Minuteman volunteers plan to monitor a portion of the Texas-Mexico border along the Rio Grande in October, although a specific start date has not been set. Minuteman organizers Chris Simcox and James Gilchrist initially targeted the border region between Brownsville and Laredo, although no location has been finalized.
 
    Mr. Simcox, publisher of a Tombstone, Ariz., newspaper, said more than 10,000 civilians have volunteered for new patrols in Texas, New Mexico and California, adding that the 30-day Arizona vigil brought worldwide attention to the problem of illegal immigration and sent a message to Congress that Americans want stronger immigration enforcement.
 
    The Texas vigil is expected to present the Minutemen with new challenges. The Arizona vigil took place on open, mostly uninhabited desert land, but much of the area on the Texas border is privately owned. An effort to stop illegal immigration in Texas in 2003 led to assault charges and a civil lawsuit. The Texas border also is violent, with alien and drug smugglers willing to protect their turf through killings.
 
    The Texas Senate Committee on Intergovernmental Relations left Mr. Hinojosa's resolution pending. The senator did not return calls to his office yesterday for comment.

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« Reply #136 on: June 10, 2005, 03:19:17 AM »
Terrorism threat justifies troops on borders

When other countries feel threatened by terrorism, their leaders do the most prudent thing they can think of: They deploy military forces along their borders, to help prevent infiltration.

They figure, and rightly so, there is no force better equipped and trained to defend their sovereign territory. More so than police, federal agents, and volunteer civilians, however well-intended they may be.

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« Reply #137 on: June 11, 2005, 06:09:24 AM »
I'm sick of the pc term of undocumented workers, they are illegals, trespassing on American soil. What part of ILLEGAL do these panty wetters not understand??? I read where 1/7 of the population in the United States is now hispanic. I wonder what the figures would be if the wetbacks were included in the total??? I don't understand the seeming unconcern by my govt reguarding this problem. I've read that most hospitols in the border states are forced to give millions of $ of free care to these illegals, almost to the point of bankruptcy. American companies move their factories to mexico, mexicans come to America for free food, free medical care, and work, go figure.
If they want to live and work here, fine. Do it legally. Immigrate, become a citizen, learn and SPEAK english. Adapt. Quit setting up little tijuanas all over America. If they don't want to do that, Get the hell out, GO HOME. POWDERMAN.  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x
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« Reply #138 on: June 11, 2005, 07:25:51 AM »
I've been thinking about that 1 in 7 number and I don't think it's true.

The media has people falsely convinced that any person born on American soil is automatically an American citizen.  I believe that this is a deliberate misinformation, and the numbers it generates, contributes to this false 1 in 7 statistic.

If a person is in this country illegallly, they are a criminal.  If they produce offsping, and since they are in this country illegally, their offspring are not American citizens, they are a succeeding generation of illegal immigrant.  They are illegal because their parents are illegal.

All of those children of illegals who made it across the border are not American citizens, they are just as illegal as their parents, and just as deportable.

They are not Americans, they are second generation invaders.

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« Reply #139 on: June 11, 2005, 04:01:01 PM »
Is that a fact Fweid?

I was under the impression that anyone born here was a citizen regardless. Didn't get it from the media(I dont think) its just the way I always thought it was. Never thought it made much sense but in all honesty I'v become used to senselessnes from our Gov't.  :roll:
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« Reply #140 on: June 11, 2005, 05:32:28 PM »
The 14th Amendment largely defines citizenship rights and whom they are avilable to.

However, the Fourteenth Amendment does not automatically extend to children born to alien parents at war with the United States, or to the children of diplomatic agents, or to American Indians, or to illegal aliens.

There is no evidence that these people intend to settle in the United States, or even that they have a right to do so.

There is no evidence that they consent to be subject to the sovereignty of the United States, or seek to settle in the United States or to renounce their Mexican or other citizenship. All evidence is that they retain allegiance to whatever country might have spawned them.

Section 1401(a) of Title 8 of the United States Code defines a U.S. citizen as "a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." This law uses the same language as the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

Birth on U.S. territory has never been an absolute claim to citizenship.

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« Reply #141 on: June 13, 2005, 03:27:13 PM »
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Mexican commandos new threat on border

U.S.-trained elite force now works for drug cartel

WASHINGTON – Elite Mexican commandos, trained by U.S. forces to combat the drug cartels have switched sides and are working for the drug smugglers in the border area posing a special hazard to American law enforcement and Border Patrol agents, according to a U.S. Justice Department memo.

The commandos, trained by the U.S. Army at Fort Benning, Georgia, are known as "Los Zetas."

The Justice Department warning was sent to law enforcement agencies throughout the Southwest.

Using the commando training, Los Zetas are known to be extremely violent and have been blamed for an outbreak of violence along the Mexican border.

There are reports of the commandos making cross-border runs into U.S. territory in military-style vehicles, armed with automatic weapons.

The U.S. government has spent millions of dollars training Los Zetas to intercept drugs, some of them coming from Mexico's southern border, before they could reach the U.S. The U.S. government has also sent U.S. Border Patrol agents to Mexico's southern border with Guatemala to train law enforcement and military forces to intercept human smugglers destined to reach the U.S.

"Things like that are a concern to us, especially trained here on the U.S. side," Pima County Sheriff Tony Estrada told KVOA, channel 4 in Tucson, Arizona. "They've gotten pretty special training. ... Now, they are working with drug traffickers on the Mexican side."

Lt. Ron Benson added: "Not only did they receive some early military training but they developed their own internal training as well increasing their violence far beyond their own original capabilities."

Benson has worked with the Department of Homeland Security and tracked the rogue Mexican commandos. He is now retiring from the Pima County Sheriff's Department and will be working with the FBI.

"They are a threat to authorities not only in Texas, but in New Mexico, Arizona and California," he said. "Because we believe Los Zetas are being used as protectors for narcotics coming into this country."

Benson says sons and nephews of Los Zetas are starting their own organization and taking part in the drug wars.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44486

*FW Note:

The U.S. Government has been training guerillas and commandos in Central and South America for decades.  The U.S. government trained Usama Bin Laden and three-quarters of the best known operatives identified with Al-Queda.

This activity is continuing to come back and haunt us.  It is always The People and never the government that pays the price.

When will the U.S. government stop training terrorists?

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Elite Mexican commandos?Stop it Fred,you're scaring me.Gorillas trained to a razors edge working for the cartel.I bet they can hit Rosie O'Donnell in the butt with a scattergun from ten feet out. :roll:

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« Reply #142 on: June 21, 2005, 04:19:33 AM »
Mexican drug commandos expand ops in 6 U.S. states

Feds say violent, elite paramilitary units establish narcotics routes north of border

The ultra-violent, U.S.-trained elite, Mexican paramilitary commandos known as the "Zetas," responsible for hundreds of murders along the border this year, have expanded their enforcement efforts on behalf of a drug cartel by setting up trafficking routes in six U.S. states.

A U.S. Justice Department memo says the U.S.-trained units have recently moved operations into Houston, San Antonio and the states of California, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Georgia and Florida. They have been operating in Dallas for at least two years, according to the feds.

The original Zetas are former Mexican army commandos, some apparently trained in the U.S. by Army special forces to combat drug gangs. Members of a broader Zetas organization have worked for the Gulf cartel since 2001. They provide firepower, security and the force needed to oversee shipments of narcotics and smuggled aliens along the border and up Interstate 35, which runs through Texas and Oklahoma.

According to FBI officials, the Zetas are attempting to consolidate their grip on the smuggling route along I-35. Anyone caught not paying the 10 percent commission they charge on all cargo – drugs or humans – is killed, according to U.S. and Mexican law enforcement sources.

The Zetas have also brought their cold-blooded killing tactics to the U.S., say federal law enforcement authorities – murdering rival drug dealers and sometimes innocent bystanders.

"Texas law enforcement officials report that the Zetas have been active in the Dallas area since 2003," said the Justice Department intelligence bulletin circulated among U.S. law enforcement officials. "Eight to ten members of the Zetas have been involved in multiple assaults and are believed to have hired criminal gangs in the area ... for contract killings."

The feds say the group has begun establishing its own trafficking routes into the United States and will protect them at any cost.

"U.S. law enforcement have reported bounties offered by Los Zetas of between $30,000 and $50,000 for the killing of Border Patrol agents and other law enforcement officers," the bulletin said. "If a Zeta kills an American law enforcement officer and can successfully make it back to Mexico, his stature within the organization will be increased dramatically."

The Zetas take their name from a radio code once used by its members. While originally there were 68, the Zetas have trained a second generation of commandos – many of them sons and nephews of those trained by U.S. military forces to combat drug trafficking in Mexico. U.S. law enforcement officials say they now number more than 700. Their numbers also include some Mexican army deserters and former federal police officers.

U.S. and Mexican law enforcement authorities say the Zetas operate special training camps in the Mexican states of Tamaulipas and Michoacán, where newly recruited Zetas take intensive six-week training courses in weapons, tactics and intelligence gathering.

The Zetas conducting a bloody war for control of the entire southern border in an effort to secure a monopoly on drug-smuggling and people-smuggling routes, according to law enforcement officials.

At least 600 have been killed this year in a wave of violence waged by the Zetas gang, headed by reputed drug kingpin Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, said Mexico's Attorney General Daniel Cabeza de Vaca.

Among the victims of the U.S-trained Zetas have been other suspected smugglers, hit men, police, soldiers and civilians on both sides of the 2,000-mile border.

There are widespread reports of the commandos making cross-border runs into U.S. territory in military-style vehicles, armed with automatic weapons.

The U.S. government spent millions of dollars training Los Zetas to intercept drugs, some of them coming from Mexico's southern border, before they could reach the U.S. The U.S. government has also sent U.S. Border Patrol agents to Mexico's southern border with Guatemala to train law enforcement and military forces to intercept human smugglers destined to reach the U.S.

Guzman, whose nickname means "Shorty," bribed guards to escape from prison in 2001. He is one of Mexico's most-wanted fugitives. U.S. authorities have offered a $5 million reward for his capture.

The spike in killings and kidnappings in northern Mexico in recent months has made headlines and prompted federal agents and soldiers to patrol the streets of Nuevo Laredo, across from Laredo, Texas. Recently, a new police chief in Nuevo Laredo was assassinated nine hours after taking office.

Among the 600 people murdered in gang shootings across the Mexican border this year, many were slain execution-style, with their hands tied behind their backs.

The violence along the border has reached a point where some are questioning President Vicente Fox's ability to govern the country.

A senior U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration official, Anthony Placido, told Congress last week that Mexico's corrupt police forces were "all too often part of the problem rather than part of the solution" in fighting the drug cartels.

Fox won office in 2000, ending 71 years of one-party rule and promising to clamp down on the multibillion-dollar cross-border trade in cocaine, marijuana and heroin.

While initially winning praise for putting bosses like Benjamin Arellano Felix and Osiel Cardenas behind bars, his crime-busting reputation has been undermined by the alarming rise in violence, along with evidence Fox has failed to clean up Mexico's police forces.

Faced with the fallout on its southern frontier, the State Department has twice issued travel warnings for the Mexican border, where more than 30 U.S. citizens have been kidnapped.

Mexico's apparent inability to curb the bloodshed on the 2,000-mile border is affecting the financial markets. Banking group HSBC said "staggering" levels of violence could raise questions about Mexico's stability in the run-up to next year's presidential election. Fox is constitutionally barred from running for re-election.

His approval rating has taken a hit, dropping 3 points to 56 percent in a poll in May, with many Mexicans complaining of safety fears, particularly in the north.

Fox has pledged a "mother of all battles" against the drug traffickers he says are openly challenging the government.

"We have taken on the challenge and we will do battle against all the cartels' criminals and against organized crime," Fox said in a speech Friday.

He sent hundreds of troops and federal agents to the states of Tamaulipas, Sinaloa and Baja California last week after suspected drug hit men killed the police chief of Nuevo Laredo.

Despite the move, drug gangs shot and killed at least 11 people across the three states during the week, prompting observers to declare the operation, dubbed "Mexico Secure," a failure.

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« Reply #143 on: June 21, 2005, 04:23:06 AM »
Illegals raiding Valley crops
 
Daniel Perry

Law enforcers ineffective in thwarting thieves, says local farmer

LA GRULLA — A vividly colored watermelon, cut open and abandoned on a narrow trail leading to the Rio Grande, already was attracting a cloud of gnats in the early morning heat.

It was all the evidence Javier Perez needed that someone other than his workers was paying attention to his 160 acres of watermelons.

Perez, 51, said the visitors usually are Mexicans who float or swim across the river, raiding his land and taking the produce back to Mexico to sell.

The problem is not an old one along the riverbanks of the Rio Grande Valley, but it is something Perez wants the authorities to control.

"I would like the Border Patrol to pay more attention to our problem and do something about it," he said.

There were other signs on a recent morning at his three-year-old La Grulla operation in Starr County, indicating one or more people had made a recent trip across the river. A gunnysack and a dirty pair of sneakers lay near a field, and a deflated black innertube rested next to the riverÂ’s edge.

"They travel light," Perez said. "They know we are not going to do anything to them. They know Border Patrol will not do anything."

He suspects the thieves come during early morning or late evening hours. They are mostly males, Perez said, though he has seen some females make the trip across the river to perform the crop raids. His land takes up a mile of riverbank, and Perez has counted seven different footpaths used to gain access to his fields.

People coming across the river would have to walk up a steep, bushy embankment to the top of rows of retama and hackberry trees. Tall grass lines the small slope, and large ants scurry from mound to mound. Dirt roads separate the embankment from the fields, which are drip irrigated with river water.

Only four or five watermelons fit in a gunnysack, Perez said. He did some math and could lose 26,000 pounds of the fruit this growing season. He anticipates getting about 48,000 pounds per acre from his crop.

Perez said someone — though he does not know for sure who — also stole 500 gallons of fuel and an alternator off a water-pumping machine last year.

He said he has chased some Mexican intruders in his truck just to scare them. Sometimes, he has gotten into a foot chase with them down to the riverbank.

"You canÂ’t be 24 hours here," he said.

The first time he saw Mexicans stealing watermelons, he called to get a local Border Patrol number but could not find it. Then he called the Starr County SheriffÂ’s Department, which gave him the correct number to call. An agent eventually appeared and stood on an embankment to see what was happening.

"The illegals saw him and they went to the river," Perez said.

Perez said Border Patrol agents who ride on his property often do not stop the illegals when they are seen handling watermelons. Perez said he has been told to report incidents to the sheriffÂ’s department.

Starr County Sheriff Rey Guerra said he was unaware that growers were having crop theft problems.

"IÂ’ve been here 24 years and IÂ’ve never ran into this situation," he said.

Guerra said his officers can only do so much if they catch Mexicans stealing fruits and vegetables.

"We would not even consider going into the river," he said. "You very well know itÂ’s a different country out there and they have their different laws. You just donÂ’t go into other countries."

An agent for the Border PatrolÂ’s Rio Grande Valley Sector in McAllen said the agency would have no comment on the issue

The Border Patrol uses vibration, thermal, magnetic or pressure sensors along the border. But landowners must give permission for the agency to bury the technology on private land.

Edward Mathers, 40, of Brownsville, allows the Border Patrol to put sensors and cameras on his property to watch for illegal border crossers. Mathers, owner of Mathers Family Partnership Ltd., has raised watermelons in the past but this year grew tomatoes and onions on 3,000 acres near the former Amigoland Mall. His Cameron County land runs along about six miles of river.

"You plant in areas where you donÂ’t have the pressure of thieves," he said.

Mathers has encountered not only Mexicans, but also Winter Texans and local vegetable seekers, parking next to fields to grab what they can during daytime hours. The Mexicans sometimes use ice chests to store the goods to make it easier to get them across the Rio Grande.

People steal his crops because they think they are free, Mathers said, and the crops most likely are sold by others for profit.

"You donÂ’t mind sharing with them, but not every day feeding themselves 25 pounds," he said.

The problem has not been as bad lately because of an influx of homeland security officers patrolling the river. He has talked about the issue before with border agents, but has gotten the impression some care and others do not.

"They are not going to be able to control the border 100 percent, unless you make it a police state," Mathers said.

The fruit and vegetable stealing problem is something Arturo Salgado, vice consul for the Mexican Consulate in McAllen, has not heard much about. He said the issue sounded complicated.

"I can see undocumented migrants taking the risk to come back across the river and try to escape from Border Patrol," Salgado said. "But, I donÂ’t know about the people coming in, taking the risk and coming across the river and possibly being caught by Border Patrol just to take some vegetables."

He said it concerns him how easy it is for people to cross into the United States without going through legal ports of entry, and the lapse in border security could make it easier for people to transport firearms. There already has been a problem with people taking used clothing from the United States to sell in Mexico because Mexico does not allow such products to be imported.

"The Mexican border patrol, we donÂ’t have one," Salgado said. "We just have the federal police and Mexican immigration."

Perez said assigning more agents to the border is probably not the solution to curbing theft problems. U.S. Congress must enforce the laws it has, he said, and if illegals are caught, the government should deport them and take away any wages they might earn while on American soil.

"If they couldnÂ’t get away with it, they wouldnÂ’t come so often," Perez said.

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« Reply #144 on: July 07, 2005, 03:07:08 AM »
Officers told not to photograph illegal day workers

By ANNE MARIE KILDAY

The Houston Police Department has instructed officers not to photograph illegal immigrants seeking day jobs, after an incident last month prompted an outcry from an immigrant rights group.

Houston police Capt. Juan Trevino made the pledge to 400 people who attended a meeting Tuesday night organized by The Metropolitan Organization, an interfaith grass-roots political action group.

Trevino said that "an isolated handful of officers" took immigrants' photographs after a business owner on North Shepherd recently complained that they "were walking on private property."

Addressing the TMO gathering in Spanish and English, Trevino said that the Houston police department will work with the organization to encourage immigrant workers to seek work at the east side day labor center.

"We have initiated a policy where, at this time, we are instructing all officers that they cannot photograph any of the day laborers that are currently out in the field," Trevino said.

After the meeting at Immaculate Conception Catholic Church, Trevino said the photographs of immigrants involved "an isolated handful of officers — it was maybe only one or two."

"But currently the department has given directions down through the captains to instruct all officers to cease that practice until our legal services investigation ... until that matter has been clarified," Trevino said.

The police officers who took the photographs were trying to persuade the immigrants not to stand on private property while waiting for day jobs, Trevino said.

"It really was an attempt to remind them the next day that 'Hey, you were here because here's the picture.' That was just one officer's way of doing things," Trevino said.

Broderick Bagert, an organizer for the TMO, said the community organization welcomed Trevino's comments.

"It had been an issue of real concern because people from the churches in the East End have worked for more than a year and half to win funding for the worker-development center in the East End," Bagert said. "We've been working to staff that, to organize it, and we've really invested in that strategy to deal with day laborers. The second work site has just gotten started in the last few months."

Even though the incident occurred on Houston's north side, Bagert said, there was concern "that the police were going to be intimidating workers. It was seen as a real step back. So we were very concerned about it," Bagert said.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3254235

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« Reply #145 on: July 10, 2005, 12:23:53 AM »
We need a Great Wall of America.........similar to the one in China, with plenty of razor wire, claymores, a big smooth sandy killing field, and the wall manned by Natl Guard from across the country on their 2 week rotations.

As Mr. Spock would say "Crude, but effective"

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« Reply #146 on: July 12, 2005, 02:50:11 AM »
Al-Qaida nukes already in U.S.

Terrorists, bombs smuggled across Mexico border by MS-13 gangsters

WASHINGTON – As London recovers from the latest deadly al-Qaida attack that killed at least 50, top U.S. government officials are contemplating what they consider to be an inevitable and much bigger assault on America – one likely to kill millions, destroy the economy and fundamentally alter the course of history, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

According to captured al-Qaida leaders and documents, the plan is called the "American Hiroshima" and involves the multiple detonation of nuclear weapons already smuggled into the U.S. over the Mexican border with the help of the MS-13 street gang and other organized crime groups.

Al-Qaida has obtained at least 40 nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Union – including suitcase nukes, nuclear mines, artillery shells and even some missile warheads. In addition, documents captured in Afghanistan show al-Qaida had plans to assemble its own nuclear weapons with fissile material it purchased on the black market.

In addition to detonating its own nuclear weapons already planted in the U.S., military sources also say there is evidence to suggest al-Qaida is paying former Russian special forces Spetznaz to assist the terrorist group in locating nuclear weapons formerly concealed inside the U.S. by the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Osama bin Laden's group is also paying nuclear scientists from Russia and Pakistan to maintain its existing nuclear arsenal and assemble additional weapons with the materials it has invested hundreds of millions in procuring over a period of 10 years.

The plans for the devastating nuclear attack on the U.S. have been under development for more than a decade. It is designed as a final deadly blow of defeat to the U.S., which is seen by al-Qaida and its allies as "the Great Satan."

At least half the nuclear weapons in the al-Qaida arsenal were obtained for cash from the Chechen terrorist allies.

But the most disturbing news is that high level U.S. officials now believe at least some of those weapons have been smuggled into the U.S. for use in the near future in major cities as part of this "American Hiroshima" plan, according to an upcoming book, "The al-Qaida Connection: International Terrorism, Organized Crime and the Coming Apocalypse," by Paul L. Williams, a former FBI consultant.

According to Williams, former CIA Director George Tenet informed President Bush one month after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that at least two suitcase nukes had reached al-Qaida operatives in the U.S.

"Each suitcase weighed between 50 and 80 kilograms (approximately 110 to 176 pounds) and contained enough fissionable plutonium and uranium to produce an explosive yield in excess of two kilotons," wrote Williams. "One suitcase bore the serial number 9999 and the Russian manufacturing date of 1988. The design of the weapons, Tenet told the president, is simple. The plutonium and uranium are kept in separate compartments that are linked to a triggering mechanism that can be activated by a clock or a call from the cell phone."

According to the author, the news sent Bush "through the roof," prompting him to order his national security team to give nuclear terrorism priority over every other threat to America.

However, it is worth noting that Bush failed to translate this policy into securing the U.S.-Mexico border through which the nuclear weapons and al-Qaida operatives are believed to have passed with the help of the MS-13 smugglers. He did, however, order the building of underground bunkers away from major metropolitan areas for use by federal government managers following an attack.

Bin Laden, according to Williams, has nearly unlimited funds to spend on his nuclear terrorism plan because he has remained in control of the Afghanistan-produced heroin industry. Poppy production has greatly increased even while U.S. troops are occupying the country, he writes. Al-Qaida has developed close relations with the Albanian Mafia, which assists in the smuggling and sale of heroin throughout Europe and the U.S.

Some of that money is used to pay off the notorious MS-13 street gang between $30,000 and $50,000 for each sleeper agent smuggled into the U.S. from Mexico. The sleepers are also provided with phony identification, most often bogus matricula consular ID cards indistinguishable from Mexico's official ID, now accepted in the U.S. to open bank accounts and obtain driver's licenses.

The Bush administration's unwillingness to secure the U.S.-Mexico border has puzzled and dismayed a growing number of activists and ordinary citizens who see it as the No. 1 security threat to the nation. The Minuteman organization is planning a major mobilization of thousands of Americans this fall designed to shut down the entire 2,000-mile border as it did in April with a 23-mile stretch in Arizona.

According to Williams' sources, thousands of al-Qaida sleeper agents have now been forward deployed into the U.S. to carry out their individual roles in the coming "American Hiroshima" plan.

Bin Laden's goal, according to the book, is to kill at least 4 million Americans, 2 million of whom must be children. Only then, bin Laden has said, would the crimes committed by America on the Arab and Muslim world be avenged.

There is virtually no doubt among intelligence analysts al-Qaida has obtained fully assembled nuclear weapons, according to Williams. The only question is how many. Estimates range between a dozen and 70. The breathtaking news is that an undetermined number of these weapons, including suitcase bombs, mines and crude tactical nuclear weapons, have already been smuggled into the U.S. – at least some across the U.S.-Mexico border.

The future plan, according to captured al-Qaida agents and documents, suggests the attacks will take place simultaneously in major cities throughout the country – including New York, Boston, Washington, Las Vegas, Miami, Chicago and Los Angeles.

In response to the G2 Bulletin revelations, Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, a citizen action group demanding the U.S. government take control of its borders, said an immediate military presence on the borders is now imperative "to stop the overwhelming influx of unidentified, potentially hostile and seditious persons coming across at an alarming rate."

"Terrorists have carte blanche to carry practically anything they want across our national line at this time," he said. "As ordinary citizens have warned this government for years, the only surprising part about the new information reported here is that nothing apocalyptic from Mexican-border weapons trafficking has yet happened. Terrorism has reared its ugly head in London again these past few days, and as we know all too well we are not immune in this country. At this point, the next attempt to attack America at home is just a matter of 'when,' not 'if.' And our unsecured borders have surely contributed to this threat – yet our government officials continue to fiddle while our nation's margin of security and safety burns away. The president and Congress had better wake up before they have to answer for another devastating terrorist incursion on our own soil."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45203

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« Reply #147 on: July 15, 2005, 03:33:14 AM »
Senate shuns attempt to add agents

By Stephen Dinan

The Senate voted yesterday against fulfilling its pledge from last year to hire 2,000 more Border Patrol agents and fund 8,000 new detention beds for illegal aliens in fiscal 2006, as some potential presidential candidates weighed in on border security and illegal immigration.

The intelligence overhaul bill that Congress passed and President Bush signed into law in December called for 2,000 new agents and 8,000 new detention beds every year for the next five years in order to meet a threat posed by illegal aliens.

Yesterday's votes were on amendments to the Department of Homeland Security spending bill, which funds only 1,000 more agents and 2,240 more detention beds in fiscal 2006.

Sen. John Ensign, Nevada Republican, had called for another 1,000 agents, and Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican, called for 5,760 more beds in order to meet the goals set by last year's bill, with both increases being paid for by reducing grants to state and local governments.

"Anybody who comes into the United States of America across our southern border today and is from a country other than Mexico, 95 percent chance they will continue their journey to wherever they want to go," Mr. McCain said. "We don't have enough detention facilities. We don't have enough beds."

But Sen. Charles E. Schumer, New York Democrat, said the amendments would sap funds from local law enforcement.

"That's the problem here. It's not in strengthening the borders. It's in taking away money from the people every day who defend us and, since 9/11, have new duties," he said.

Both amendments failed -- Mr. Ensign's by a 60-38 vote, and Mr. McCain's 56-42. Later in the evening, the overall Homeland Security bill passed 96-1, with Sen. Tom Coburn, Oklahoma Republican, voting against it.

The Senate debate came as Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff testified to both chambers of Congress that better homeland security requires a broad immigration policy change.

Meanwhile, potential presidential candidates weighed in on yesterday's amendments and immigration policy, with Majority Leader Bill Frist, Tennessee Republican, voting for both amendments.

"Immigrants have enhanced our history, and they will enhance our future, but we must make sure they come to America legally," Mr. Frist said. "It's a matter of security in a time of war. It's also a matter of morality for a caring nation and a nation of laws."

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, New York Democrat, who had made a splash recently with comments about cracking down on illegal immigration, voted against both amendments, as did Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, the 2004 Democratic nominee, and Democratic Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware, who has said he plans to run.

Mrs. Clinton's office didn't return a call for comment, but other prominent Democrats who are considered presidential candidates said they didn't want to vote for cuts in first-responder grants to localities.

"Homeland security isn't served when we steal from firefighters, police officers and other first responders to hire Border Patrol agents," said David Wade, a spokesman for Mr. Kerry. "If the Republicans who run Congress had drafted a bill that actually meets our needs, none of these votes would be necessary."

Norm Kurz, a spokesman for Mr. Biden, said the Delaware senator introduced his own bill earlier this year calling for an increase in agents and voted for the intelligence bill last year.

"He just doesn't support doing these things at the expense of police, fire and EMTs," Mr. Kurz said.

Mr. Kurz said Mr. Biden's bill called for 1,500 agents, although the text only shows 800 agents and 300 investigators.

Sen. Rick Santorum, Pennsylvania Republican, and Sen. Evan Bayh, Indiana Democrat, voted against the Border Patrol increase but for the detention bed increase.

Mr. Bayh's spokesman, Dan Pfeiffer, said the Homeland Security Department has said it can only train 1,200 to 1,500 agents a year right now anyway. He said Mr. Bayh voted for the detention beds because 90 percent of aliens who aren't detained never show up at their deportation hearings.

Robert Traynham, a spokesman for Mr. Santorum, agreed, saying the detention beds money could be spent this year.

"The senator is for border security, but he would like for us to spend it in a responsible and approriate way," Mr. Traynham said.

Sen. Ken Salazar of Colorado was the only Democrat to vote for both amendments.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050715-121229-7851r.htm

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« Reply #148 on: July 18, 2005, 05:52:36 AM »
CA - Police Keep Close Eye On Border Vigilantes

Vigilantes Spark Protests From Civil Rights Groups

A group of volunteers that plan to start monitoring the San Diego County-Mexico border this weekend -- and their foes -- will not be allowed to commit vigilante or racial violence, authorities said Friday.

Participants in the grassroots project "Operation Border Watch" must limit their involvement to "eyes and ears and talking," San Diego County Sheriff Bill Kolender warned.

"If there's any violation of the law ... on either side of this issue, law enforcement will, in fact, take action," Kolender said during a news conference.

Also attending the midmorning briefing at the sheriff's Kearny Mesa headquarters were officials with the U.S. Border Patrol and the Chula Vista and National City police departments.

In recent weeks, preparations for the civilian immigration-control effort have sparked protests from civil rights groups, as did similar endeavors conducted in Arizona this year by a group called the Minutemen.

Opponents called the self-appointed border enforcers -- most of whom carry guns -- dangerous vigilantes and bigots.

The monitors say their goal is to help enforce immigration laws and that they carry firearms strictly for self-defense.

Along with law enforcement agencies, immigrant-advocacy groups have promised to send observers to the county's arid southern reaches to keep an eye on the volunteer border watchers.

http://www.10news.com/news/4729945/detail.html

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« Reply #149 on: July 27, 2005, 04:15:06 AM »
Minutemen say no to government co-opt

'What makes Homeland Security think they can do better?'

The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps has rejected the idea of being absorbed into a government-run program of civilian-volunteer border watchers.

Last week, Homeland Security border security chief Robert Bonner claimed the Department of Homeland Security was exploring ways in which the department might incorporate civilians into its Border Patrol operation. A day later a spokesman for DHS denied that any plans were being drawn up for an official civilian program through the department.

Either way, say Minuteman officials, they will keep their organization independent of any government supervision.

"Since before the 9-11 attacks, the federal government has failed to run effective and efficient border security," said Minuteman co-founder Chris Simcox. "Tens of thousands of illegal immigrants – including criminals and would-be terrorists – flood into our country every month completely undeterred by Border Patrol. What makes Homeland Security think they can run a civilian program any better than the one run by paid staff? This is bureaucracy at its finest!"

The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps has assisted in the detection and arrest of hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants – as many as 20 percent of which have criminal records, say leaders. Over the persistent roadblocks laid by federal border security officials, the Minutemen continue to expand their operations along the southern U.S. border with Mexico.

"There is absolutely no reason to think that the federal government can come down here and do a better job than what we've already done and continue to do," said Simcox. "If they're so concerned about securing our borders, I'd like to think they would have done it by now. But they haven't, so we are."

MinutemanHQ.com – the combined effort of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps and the Minuteman Project – has now established at least 25 Minuteman chapters along the U.S.-Mexico border. Minuteman volunteers are trained to peacefully assist in the detection of illegal immigration, which is then reported to U.S. Border Patrol officials.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45445

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An effort by government to extend a helping hand, or to get a collar on a loose mutt?

Not sure if the Minutemen are doing themselves a favor by sneering at DHS.

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