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« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2005, 11:53:04 AM »
For whatever reason these peoples illegally cross the border into our country, the only significant point is that they do it illegally.

They are criminals,  They are knowing participants in a huge criminal enterprise designed expressly to subvert the national security and sovereignty of the United States, it's citizens and our borders.

Many of these peoples are criminals in their own countries, and I don't mean political dissidents.  They earn their living by harming other peoples, stealing their money, property, and many times, their lives.

They are coming here.  They are establishing networks to smuggle drugs, materials, and humans into this country.  They are victimizing American citizens on our southern border by invading, vandalizing, and stealing their property.  Some are becoming wealthy by initiating lawsuits against American property owners for not providing water or shelter or for having been forced off of private property by force od arms after having been caught vandalizing, stealing ot otherwise trespassing there.

Each and every one of these people is a criminal.

Even the "hard-working, honest" ones.
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« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2005, 05:45:04 PM »
They may very well be criminals, and I do not advocate them doing what they are doing---I just understand why they do it. I also must admit that I admire many who do it, submit themselves to much harsh treatment not to exclude the hardest of labor and send much of what they earn back to their families in Mexico.
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« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2005, 03:56:28 AM »
Report: 10 Million Illegal Aliens in U.S.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/21/114853.shtml


ACLU intends to prosecute American citizens who patrol the border to defend America

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050320-101809-2477r.htm


Our nation is being invaded.  Our military is serving on every corner of the globe but is not defending the homeland.  Americans are being persecuted for protecting their homes and property from aggressive foreign criminals entering our country illegally.

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They may very well be criminals...I also must admit that I admire many who do it...


Americans have a heritage that expresses a sometimes overt admiration for outlaws and respects a rebellious nature, but when Americans condone and even express an open admiration for foreign invaders intent on victimizing their fellow citizens, with the expressed intent of conquering and reclaiming a vast area of territory in the southwest using a long-standing strategy of population saturation and assimilation, it indicates to me that the United States of America has likely seen it's golden days.

IMO, It's all downhill from here.

It's kind of sad.

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« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2005, 04:57:07 AM »
Fweidner:

The only part of your last post I would take issue with is the word  "assimilation."  The invading Mexicans are not and have no intention of assimilating.  They send their money back to Mexico, go back and forth over the border, and can vote in Mexican elections.  They are Mexicans not Americans.  Assimilation more than anything else is what separates them from  previous generations of immigrants.

For the poster who said that civilizations change, yes and they die too.  Why should those of us who love and appreciate our culture stand by while others want to kill it or won't do anything to save it?

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« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2005, 05:49:55 AM »
Bush Calls Border Watchers 'Vigilantes'

WACO, Texas —- President Bush said yesterday that he opposes a citizens' effort to help Border Patrol agents monitor illegal aliens crossing the border.

The president called the volunteers who have joined the effort "vigilantes."  

Speaking at a press conference alongside Mexican President Vicente Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin, the president said: "I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America. I'm for enforcing the law in a rational way." About 1,000 people have joined the Minutemen, an effort that begins next month along the Arizona-Mexico border that includes 30 pilots and their private planes. The group says it will monitor the movement of illegal aliens and report them to the Border Patrol.
The nation's undocumented immigrant population surged to 10.3 million last year, spurred largely since 2000 by the arrivals of unauthorized Mexicans in the United States, a report released Monday said.

President Bush has persistently called for a more liberal border policy, pushing legislation to grant guest-worker status to millions of illegal aliens already in the United States. Republicans criticized him earlier this month for not adding 2,000 agents to the Border Patrol as prescribed in the intelligence overhaul legislation passed late last year. The president's budget provided financing for just 210 additional agents for the U.S. borders with Canada and Mexico.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/24/112450.shtml

*FW Note:  There it is,  The President of the United States stands against the unorganized Militia.  The President doesn't want The People to defend either themselves, or our nation, against invasion.  As he consorts with foreign heads-of-state (one of which, Mr. Fox, has openly spoken of his mission to invade and conquer the American southwest), Our President speaks out against his own countrymen.

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« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2005, 03:34:32 PM »
William...I respect your opinion here.....  Has anybody thought of????  While the local LEO's, and border Patrol are trying to supervise the K.K.K. that are showing up down there..it is the perfect oppurtunity and diversion for Terrorists to sneak accross the border.  Law enforcement has enough problems down there, and BUSH is right.  All the 'Vigilantes' should be rounded up and do no less than 1 year in prison for 'obstructing justice'. In my humble opinion.  Very many of these people that some of the guys on here are calling criminals...are just poor people that  want a better life, and the 'American Dream' is right accross the border.  Of course there ARE criminals taking advantage of these people, and marketing humans...but those HUMANS don't need to be injured or terified by a bunch of idiots showing up that do not have a clue as to the hardships that these people have already endured.
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« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2005, 04:15:15 PM »
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William...I respect your opinion here.....  Has anybody thought of????  While the local LEO's, and border Patrol are trying to supervise the K.K.K. that are showing up down there..it is the perfect oppurtunity and diversion for Terrorists to sneak accross the border.  Law enforcement has enough problems down there, and BUSH is right.  All the 'Vigilantes' should be rounded up and do no less than 1 year in prison for 'obstructing justice'. In my humble opinion.  Very many of these people that some of the guys on here are calling criminals...are just poor people that  want a better life, and the 'American Dream' is right accross the border.  Of course there ARE criminals taking advantage of these people, and marketing humans...but those HUMANS don't need to be injured or terified by a bunch of idiots showing up that do not have a clue as to the hardships that these people have already endured.



Ummm, who cares what they endured. I dont, if you do then send them your money.
Look, I live thousands of miles from the border & theyre all over the place here. Most of the ones I know are hard working men who do indeed send most of their money back home (This is in itself a drain on our economy) I'm sure the closer you get to the border the worse it gets.
Why shouldn't Americans do what their gov't won't do? You want to jail Americans for chasing away illegal aliens?

Wanna know what I think? I think our President oughtta let the Iraqis kill each other & bring our men home to defend us, the USA like theyre supposed to. Not just for the Mexicans but for the terrorists as well.
If he can't see clear to do that then he oughtta let the people do what needs doing.
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« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2005, 08:13:28 AM »
Guess some here have never read Article IV Section 4 of our Constitution. The Minutemen aren't the KKK they our not vigilantes. They our the true Militia that protects our country when out leaders won't. That is why the founders put in the 2nd amendment. They knew that the true enemy of are country could in time be our own goverment. GWB has proved this beyond a doubt.

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« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2005, 03:39:34 AM »
Gang will target Minuteman vigil on Mexico border


NACO, Ariz. -- Members of a violent Central America-based gang have been sent to Arizona to target Minuteman Project volunteers, who will begin a monthlong border vigil this weekend to find and report foreigner sneaking into the United States, project officials say.

    James Gilchrist, a Vietnam veteran who helped organize the vigil to protest the federal government's failure to control illegal immigration, said he has been told that California and Texas leaders of Mara Salvatrucha, or MS-13, have issued orders to teach "a lesson" to the Minuteman volunteers.

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http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050328-125306-7868r.htm

*FW Note:  Summary thus far- Organized foreign criminals invade the United States.  The government of the United States fails to act, forcing a citizen Militia into action to defend the nation from this threat.  Those foreign criminal gangs move to retaliate, and make overt threats of harm against American citizens (aka, the Minutemen Militia) who might interfere in their conduct of organized criminal activity.

Let's see if the Bush adminstration acts to protect the Minutemen or the MS-13.  Time to see where his loyalties lie, and what the priorities of Mr. Bush and his friend Mr. Fox really are.

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« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2005, 04:21:40 AM »
WHY should Bush ACT to protect self appointed malitia that do not belong there?  They should go home before innocent people get hurt.  Either that..or the US should just take over Mexico.....but then...who would want it?
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« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2005, 05:53:38 AM »
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WHY should Bush ACT to protect self appointed malitia that do not belong there?  They should go home before innocent people get hurt.  Either that..or the US should just take over Mexico.....but then...who would want it?


Since he has turned his back on Americans living in affected border states, the citizens have been forced to act in their own behalf.

President Bush has referred to these brave Americans as "vigilantes", thus taking sides against American citizens defending their homes, property, and nation in favor of an armed foreign invader, going so far as to invite their leader, Vincente Fox, into this nation to plot against his country and it's citizens.

President Bush has a Constitutional duty to act as the commander in chief of the armed forces and of militia in service to the United States.

What does it say about his loyalty to his countrymen when he outright refuses to provide "official government" protection, and then openly condemns those Americans who out of necessity choose to take on the task of protecting themselves?

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« Reply #41 on: March 29, 2005, 06:25:06 AM »
U.S. agency poised for big border security operation

Arizona-Mexico stretch focus of effort

By Brock N. Meeks

TUCSON, Ariz. - The U.S. government is poised to launch a multi-million dollar security initiative along a 260-mile stretch of the Arizona-Mexico border this week in an effort to shut down the main artery for illegal immigration into the United States, MSNBC.com has learned.

The operation, run by the Customs and Border Protection unit of the Department of Homeland Security, will increase the number of agents in the region by 40 percent, and is designed to thwart both illegal immigration as well as the potential for terrorist infiltration along the border area referred to as the Tucson sector.

The goal is to “establish and maintain operational control” of the border, according to planning documents for "Operation Full Court Press," the initiative's code name. The operation will  redeploy Black Hawk helicopters and significant numbers of air and ground resources from around the country, the documents say.

On the ground, the Border Patrol will see an increase in agents to “just shy of 2,300,” said Kristi Clemens, a Customs and Border Patrol spokeswoman.

Clemens said the operation is intended to “strengthen and improve” the border protection procedures put in place last year, when the government launched the Arizona Border Control Initiative (ABCI), a $23 million operation.

The 2004 operation was viewed as a great success, helping to yield nearly a half-million apprehensions -- about 50 percent more than the previous year.

“The 260-mile Tucson sector has become the leading corridor for illegal entry," according to Wayne Cornelius, a political science professor and border expert at the University of California at San Diego. In a paper, “Controlling ‘Unwanted’ Immigration: Lessons from the United States, 1993-2004," Cornelius wrote that the Tuscon sector accounted for 490,827 apprehensions, or about 43 percent of all those along the Southwest border of the United States during fiscal year 2004.

“We’ve learned some things,” Clemens said.  “We know where some things have been successes so we’re going to emphasize those areas and even add to that.”

'Like we squeezed a hose'
The Arizona-Mexico border is now the main entry point for illegal immigrants, owing in large part to significant enforcement build-ups along the border at San Diego, El Paso and the southern Rio Grande Valley in Texas.  

“It’s almost like we squeezed a hose [at both ends] and now Arizona is where it’s bulging, because we’ve closed off so many areas,” Clemens said.

Planning documents for "Operation Full Court Press" note that U.S.-Mexico border crossings are vulnarable to a variety of "human and contraband smuggling" operations into the United States. The documents list “terrorists and weapons of terrorism” as a main “criminal element” along with “human and contraband smuggling organizations that operate exclusively in the Tucson” area that could be encountered over the course of the operation.

Officials from the FBI and Department of Homeland Security recently testified to Congress about the vulnarability of the Mexican border to potential terrorist infiltration, although each said there is no conclusive evidence that such a plot is underway.

“We are concerned, Homeland Security is concerned about special interest aliens entering the United States,” FBI Director Robert Mueller told Congress, using the Bureau’s phrase for people from countries known to harbor al-Qaida operatives.

Deterrence, risk questioned
Despite the success of last year’s effort, the flow of illegal migration seems to have had little effect on the numbers of those attempting illegal migration.

“These guys really want to get in,” said Clemens.  “They have an economic incentive to get in, you see some trying over and over and over again,” she said.  “Why hasn’t it been a deterrent?  I think it has,” Clemens said, “you also have to look at our numbers in San Diego and some in Texas, they are way down,” leaving Arizona has the main problem area, she said.

But those who study the issue maintain that such efforts have little or no real deterrent effect.  “The ‘ABC Initiative’ is tantamount to tossing another boulder in the stream,” said Cornelius. In January he interviewed more than 600 Mexican immigrants who recently returned to their home communities.  Overwhelmingly Cornelius said he found that tougher border enforcement “has had no deterrent effect on the likelihood that someone would cross the border illegally.”  

Knowledge of increased border enforcement and even first hand knowledge of someone that has died attempting entry into the U.S. doesn’t have a deterrent effect, he said.  “Migrants and people-smugglers are avoiding, end-running, the most heavily fortified areas,” he said.  “They know perfectly well where these are. Their probability of being apprehended is still low enough to justify the physical risks.”

The vulnarability factor
A federal law enforcement agent familiar with "Operation Full Court Press" voiced concern that critical areas of the country, already deemed to be “high interest targets” for terrorists, were being left vulnerable because so many resources were being shifted to Operation Full Court Press.

“Anyone determined to enter this country in a clandestine fashion will know shortly
or already knows about this operation,” the federal agent told MSNBC.com on the condition of anonymity. “They will also know that we have finite resources … the vulnerability is huge for it will make it easier to cross the border in other places,” the agent said.

In addition, shifting assets to the Arizona border for an extended time significantly decreases the investigative support those resources provide for other anti-terrorism operations, such as the Joint Terrorism Task Forces, the agent said.  “Foolish placement of all of ones assets in one place will allow the enemy to sneak in behind you and hit you where you are vulnerable,” he said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7317822/

*FW Note:  Has the government decided to actually DO something?  Is this a token response to political criticism or actual official concern for a situation out of control?

I hope it's the opening move in a new defensive strategy.

Only time will tell.

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« Reply #42 on: March 29, 2005, 07:11:36 AM »
If even just one minuteman gets hurt Traitor Bush should be impeached !

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« Reply #43 on: March 29, 2005, 08:45:34 AM »
Sources: 500 new agents to patrol Arizona border
 
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Homeland Security Department will assign more than 500 additional patrol agents to the porous Arizona border, saying they will help keep potential terrorists and illegal immigrants from entering the country, The Associated Press has learned.

The border buildup was to be announced Wednesday -- two days before civilian volunteers with the so-called Minuteman Project begin a monthlong Arizona patrol against immigrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico line.

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« Reply #44 on: March 29, 2005, 09:02:22 AM »
Only reason you are seeing this F Wiedner is so GWB can someway justify when he goes after the Minutemen. Watch and see if he don't

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« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2005, 09:15:23 AM »
Likely true.

It will be telling to see whom this force is directed to act either for or against.

Heck, maybe they're just "peacekeepers".

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« Reply #46 on: March 30, 2005, 05:20:10 AM »
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If even just one minuteman gets hurt Traitor Bush should be impeached !
 That is such a crock of B.S.  I was just about to apologize for my lack of support....it seems that the minuteman effort HAS accomplished something....It has drawn attention to the problem and got results from the government.  But that does not seem to be enough for you guys.  What are you all going to BASH BUSH over next?  I am actually shocked that your harsh judgements of Bush are even tolerated on these forums.  G.B. has been VERY gracious so far with this crap.  But in my opinion....This entire thread should be removed/Locked and if it were my say.....I would make it clear that Treason would not be tolerated.  But then....this IS a free country, you have the right to Freedom of Speech.  If you guys don't care for the elected Commander and Chief and President of this country...why don't you move to N. Korea and try bashing the leaders there?  It would surely be MORE EXCITING....and would get Swift results.  I really wish I could say here whay I really want to say...but G.B. dosent allow profanity.
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« Reply #47 on: March 30, 2005, 05:32:36 AM »
Each and every one of these people is a criminal.

*FW Note: There it is, The President of the United States stands against the unorganized Militia. The President doesn't want The People to defend either themselves, or our nation, against invasion. As he consorts with foreign heads-of-state (one of which, Mr. Fox, has openly spoken of his mission to invade and conquer the American southwest), Our President speaks out against his own countrymen

Ummm, who cares what they endured. I dont

Only reason you are seeing this F Wiedner is so GWB can someway justify when he goes after the Minutemen. Watch and see if he don't

It will be telling to see whom this force is directed to act either for or against

And the AWARD GOES TO.....If even just one minuteman gets hurt Traitor Bush should be impeached !
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« Reply #48 on: March 30, 2005, 05:36:51 AM »
By the way....I have never really though that G.W. is great or anything...I did vote for him.....but I cannot support the garbage I see here.  I WILL SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT.  I WILL also support the next president...either left or right.
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« Reply #49 on: March 30, 2005, 06:19:43 AM »
What's your point, Robert?

That you disagree?  You're entitled, but one thing you're not entitled to do is to tell other folks that they can't have an opinion or express same just because you disagree.

People see the issues differently.  There is nothing that has been said in this forum where there is no supporting issue to back-up the opinions expressed.

I'd like to politely suggest that you "get used to it".

What will he be bashed on next?  Hmmm...

How about that goofy haircut?

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« Reply #50 on: March 30, 2005, 06:30:10 AM »
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WHY should Bush ACT to protect self appointed malitia that do not belong there?  They should go home before innocent people get hurt.  Either that..or the US should just take over Mexico.....but then...who would want it?



I would suggest you read the Constitution. I guess you've never read it. Start with Article IV Section 4. Then look up some definitions of the word Treason. From the way you write I have allot of reasons to wonder if you our legal yourself or if you our one of the people who make money with the cheap labor.

*Friendly warning:  Stick to the topic issue, i.e., the border war, the President and his actions, the Constitution, your outlook on those issues, etc...  We can have a disagreement without getting nasty or personal about it.  Thanks.  FW

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« Reply #51 on: March 31, 2005, 03:45:46 AM »
One thing is for sure; it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.  The one and only way to stop the illegals is to eliminate the reasons why they come up here.  That's going to take a massive change in the political and economic thinking.

Actually there is another way to stop the illegals--Bounties--Open Season--No Quotas--Yeeeeaaaah.
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« Reply #52 on: March 31, 2005, 04:30:37 AM »
That's a great idea.  Why don't we start snuffing some of those darkies too.  Hell they breed like rabbits, they are taking over too.  While we are at it...lets finish the job Hitler couldn't accomplish....snuff all those rich jews...hey...it would be good for the economy.  Oh...I almost forgot about women...they have way too many 'rights' and are getting out of control.
  This has got to be the sickest topic on the internet.....just go kill them all...SCREW IT.
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« Reply #53 on: March 31, 2005, 05:23:20 AM »
I'm thinking way down in the dark recesses of my memory, that it did not used to be illegal to defend the border.

I'm certain that until recent times it was quite legal to defend your life and property from persons meaning harm.

I'm pretty sure that magooch's comment was intended as tounge-in-cheek, or...maybe not.

There are several designated and federally supported legal ports of entry along our southern border with Mexico.  Why shouldn't those who choose not to use them be regarded as criminals and invaders and simply shot on sight?

If a U.S. citizen crosses the border witth Mexico, say to purchase a basket from a friendly indian, it is illegal for that U.S. citizen to re-enter the U.S. at the same place he left the U.S. unless it is an authorized point of entry.  There is a $10,000 fine.

What is the penalty for a foreign invader?  A meal, a drink of water, a new blanket and a clean bed for the night, medical care, and a bus ride or U.S. government paid flight back to their own country.

If an American citizen can be fined such an outrageous sum and/or imprisoned for attempting to re-enter his own country, why should it be illegal to shoot a foreign invader crossing the border with overt criminal intentions?

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« Reply #54 on: March 31, 2005, 05:58:02 AM »
Sounds like we have have someone who makes allot of money using illegal labor or he is illegal himself. One thing for sure like GWB he sure doesn't believe in our Constitution

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« Reply #55 on: March 31, 2005, 06:02:45 AM »
And when they are in your sights...how do you determine if they have Overt Criminal intentions or if they are simply in need of water or food? This is exactly the kind of thinking...that makes me beleive the malitia should go home.  They are probaly mostly thrill seekers looking to hunt 'Human Game'.  Probaly a lot of Portland Oregon LEO's should go down there for vacation.....they seem to like to kill for fun...  I mean what is the sense of going on African Safari if you don't kill something?
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« Reply #56 on: March 31, 2005, 06:33:45 AM »
Citizens Take Border Patrol in Own Hands

The Minuteman Project, a group that organizes volunteer civilian patrols on the Arizona/Mexico border to report illegal immigrant crossings to the Border Patrol, couldn’t possibly have taken the Bush administration by surprise.

Bush made his beliefs clear last week when meeting with Mexico’s Vicente Fox. Fox, a foreign head of state, had threatened legal action to block the Minuteman Project’s efforts to report sightings of illegal aliens to the Border Patrol. Bush bettered Fox by labeling the members of the Minuteman Project “vigilantes.”

In President Bush's view, members of the Minuteman Project are vigilantes, while those who cross the border in violation of U.S. laws are “heroes,” as Bush called them during his 2000 campaign.

Read the article at:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151987,00.html

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« Reply #57 on: March 31, 2005, 06:37:45 AM »
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And when they are in your sights...how do you determine if they have Overt Criminal intentions or if they are simply in need of water or food? This is exactly the kind of thinking...that makes me beleive the malitia should go home.  They are probaly mostly thrill seekers looking to hunt 'Human Game'.  Probaly a lot of Portland Oregon LEO's should go down there for vacation.....they seem to like to kill for fun...  I mean what is the sense of going on African Safari if you don't kill something?


If they've crossed the border at a point other than a federal port of entry,  they have displayed their overt criminal intent by knowingly crossing the border and entering the country illegally, in open defiance of U.S. immigration law.

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« Reply #58 on: March 31, 2005, 06:39:17 AM »
From what I've heard the Minutemen aren't planning to shoot anyone at all. They'll watch for illegals and if they spot them they'll report it to the Border Patrol. Personally, I'm outraged that the Mexican gov't and some criminal gang have the nerve to tell (and in at least one case threaten) us we should allow their illegals to come into our country.
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« Reply #59 on: March 31, 2005, 06:43:05 AM »
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From what I've heard the Minutemen aren't planning to shoot anyone at all. They'll watch for illegals and if they spot them they'll report it to the Border Patrol. Personally, I'm outraged that the Mexican gov't and some criminal gang have the nerve to tell (and in at least one case threaten) us we should allow their illegals to come into our country.


I believe that the "shooting 'em" discussion was based on a a joking remark offered by magooch, and was not intended to indicate some policy or attitude of the Minutemen.

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