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« Reply #90 on: April 07, 2005, 04:01:27 AM »
Border family's strange encounters with illegal crossers

NACO, ARIZ.  The Garner family on Purdy Lane doesn't know exactly how many chickens, roosters, Guinea hens, or geese they own on their 5-acre farm in this dusty town on the US-Mexico border.

But they know the number is smaller than the number of illegal immigrants who can be seen daily in groups of three, 10, 40, 60, and more on their property. They are often huddled in centipede form (hands on the hips of the person in front), kneeling under windows, crouched behind trees, and sleeping in their egg house.

Mr. Garner, a carpenter, his wife, and three daughters (age 10, 12, and 15) tell countless stories that are as alarming to outsiders as they are matter-of-fact to them. Theirs is a life dominated by self-defense lessons, family practice drills to huddle in the master bedroom, obligatory two-way radios for kids who walk to school, and a handgun on the hip for mom.

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« Reply #91 on: April 07, 2005, 05:50:23 AM »
Citizen Border Patrol Accused of Holding Man
   

TUCSON, Ariz. — Three volunteers patrolling the border for illegal immigrants were being investigated after a man told authorities he was held against his will and forced to pose for a picture holding a T-shirt with a mocking slogan.

The volunteers said they were members of the Minuteman Project (search) — a monthlong effort that has people from around the country fanned out along the border to report undocumented migrants and smugglers. Law enforcement officials have said they fear the project will lead to vigilante violence.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152721,00.html


*FW Note:  The government's got their little frog in the pot, and the flame has now been applied.  The disturbing part is not that the Minutemen encountered an illegal and gave him drink or took a photo, but that the closing paragraoh of the article makes a side-long attempt to refer to this as a "violent" encounter.

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« Reply #92 on: April 08, 2005, 03:31:33 AM »
Border crossings hinder training at Ariz. bases

Illegal immigrants found on test range

By Karen Schaler

MARINE CORPS AIR STATION YUMA, Ariz. -- Marines preparing for combat in Iraq or Afghanistan have lost significant amounts of training time because undocumented immigrants from Mexico have constantly wandered onto a bombing test range in Arizona, according to the commander of this base along the border.

Since July 2004, the training range has been shut down more than 500 times because of immigrants spotted on the range, causing a loss of more than 1,100 training hours, said Colonel James J. Cooney, the base's commanding officer.

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« Reply #93 on: April 08, 2005, 04:40:13 AM »
The Clock is Ticking for the Minutemen

By Bill O'Reilly

The clock is ticking for the Minutemen: that is the subject of this evening's "Talking Points Memo."

You may have heard that hundreds of Americans have traveled to southern Arizona to surveil the border with Mexico. They call themselves the Minutemen. And the concept is very simple — bringing attention to the chaotic border situation by launching a media attractive protest. And the Minutemen are getting a lot of attention.

The Bush administration doesn't like this one bit. And the Office of Homeland Security has encouraged its border patrol supervisors to say bad things about the Minutemen.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152838,00.html

*FW Note:  "And the Office of Homeland Security has encouraged its border patrol supervisors to say bad things about the Minutemen."

DHS - Turning up the heat a bit... :roll:

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« Reply #94 on: April 09, 2005, 12:52:31 PM »
Migrant Not Held Against Will: Authorities

TUCSON, Ariz. -- Authorities determined Thursday that three volunteers involved in a civilian project to watch the border and report illegal crossers did not hold an illegal immigrant against his will.

The Mexican man had told sheriff's deputies that he was detained and forced to pose for a picture holding a T-shirt with a mocking slogan. The shirt read: "Bryan Barton caught an illegal alien and all I got was this T-shirt." Barton was one of the three volunteers.

"The county attorney's office reviewed all available evidence, that indicates that there was no forcible detention, therefore the case is not substantiated, and no charges are pending," said Carol Capas, a spokeswoman for the Cochise County Sheriff's Department.

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« Reply #95 on: April 09, 2005, 03:05:00 PM »
Can't figure out if someone is doing something illegal and you hold him until the authorities come How the hell could you be doing anything wrong? I guess everytime the police arrest you unless you want to be arrested they are in the wrong thinking like that. I really believe it is the traitors that run our country wanting to set the minutemen up

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« Reply #96 on: April 10, 2005, 01:01:20 AM »
That is a good question. I am surmising that they were told not to.
The real question is why were they told that ?
Could it be that the Border Control folks do not want an incident ? Maybe they are concerned that some of the minutemen may take matters and method of detention too far. It is speculation, however, I could see that they would want to keep as much control over this situation as possible . Juts trying to keep it from getting out of hand.
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« Reply #97 on: April 10, 2005, 04:36:34 AM »
It should have been kept from getting out of hand a looooong time ago. The border was kept open because farm's in Arizona and mostly California wanted cheap labor. A lot of those big farms are not even american owned. Tell me why this Minuteman deal started in Arizona and not california? california is the largest user of illegal's but this didn't start there did it.

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« Reply #98 on: April 11, 2005, 03:27:47 AM »
The Arizona Minutemen: Why There Won't Be Vigilanteism.

John Longenecker

I resent the term Vigilanteism in recent coverage of the Arizona Minuteman Project. As another American Liberty Enthusiast, I recall some of my United States History.

During the Civil War, as the battle began to turn to the abolition of slavery, roving bands of armed thugs sought to discourage resistance to that movement by hunting down and delivering summary killing to the abolitionists. These murderers operating outside the law of due process were The Vigilantes.

In 2005, there is no vigilanteism, and there is no such thing as vigilante justice, cynically or otherwise; it would be an oxymoron.

Throughout the 19th century, there were many such hunt-down killings. These were not executions because they were not carrying out any court order; by beating or hanging or by shooting, each was always a case of outright murder, and by definition, they circumvented due process.

In modern custom and usage, if not authentic technical terms, vigilanteism has a specific meaning. You might say it has its own elements.

Today, for vigilanteism to exist, it would have to have those elements of its origin. For vigilantiem to exist in any single act or series of acts in any venue anywhere, all of the following would have to be present:

1) The acts would have to be outside the law. Acting without a court order and without any other authority is what vigilanteism is nearly all about.

But the Minuteman Project does have authority; acting within the law, as some might not want to believe, is not vigilante. Many citizens understand the law and how to stay within it, not through loopholes, but through compliance; some do not know the authority they each have, hence they view the more knowledgeable as vigilante when, in fact, they really don’t know what they’re talking about and when they want to inflame the public against lawful protest.

2) The acts would have to be underhanded and without redeeming social purpose. The original vigilantes simply cheated, and imposed their own will in the underhanded action of silencing opposing views, as if being against slavery were a crime. Who likes to silence opposing views today?

3) The acts would have to be unrighteous, or wrong. A wrong act fighting for a wrong cause. There is such a thing as being on the wrong side of an issue, such as being for policies which further and further enable the looting of America; are you for it or against it? I’m against it, and it seems that the underhanded would be those cadres of persons against defending our borders.

4) The acts would have to include killing, and unlawful killing at that. Seeking to hunt down and kill is not the same as an act of self-defense or defense of another, or defense of property for that matter.

Vigilanteism isn’t really defined in a dictionary -- you have to research it and put it in perspective. Like truth. Do you get a real understanding of what truth is from a dictionary?

Remember that the purpose of vigilanteism is to silence the opposition for political purposes, not to enforce the law, but to circumvent it in order that one side not be heard. The mission of protecting our borders is not to silence opposing views, but to protect our borders, and to protect everyone’s right to speak, among other things.

In the case of Arizona’s defense of its borders by Minutemen volunteers, the word Vigilanteism would not apply.

Nor would the media’s concept of taking the law into one’s own hands.

The Minutemen are not conducting vigilanteism because they are not killing people to silence them for political purposes. The stated mission, as I’m sure the ultimate success of it will prove to be, is to assist duly appointed law enforcement personnel, which is, of course, permitted by law.

The Minutemen are not constituting an interference and they are already authorized to stop crime as we all are. In upholding the law, how could they be charged with interference? That would be a political move to silence them. And it would be underhanded.

For a very long time, Liberty Enthusiasts have sought a synergy between law enforcement and the People, and the People have asked very nicely, only to be suspicioned and ridiculed. In this issue is an exquisite opportunity for law enforcement to join with the community it serves and to work together for the cause the way the People see it, especially the locals.

So, who’s really trying to silence a political view?

Is it those who send forces to meet the Project to try and intimidate them? Suppose the Minutemen are not intimidated. And who's on the right or wrong side of the issue when it comes to sending forces to meet them, to interfere with their mission?

Who's really trying to silence a political view? Is it the media who write against them and mischaracterize them and their endeavor?

Is it the officials who want to keep the borders open – so they characterize the Project as vigilante and dangerous?

Who’s really trying to silence whom?

http://mensnewsdaily.com/blog/longenecker/2005/04/arizona-minutemen-why-there-wont-be.html

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« Reply #99 on: April 12, 2005, 05:08:40 AM »
Mexican army escorts border drug-runners

Minutemen, U.S. officials say military directs illegals to avoid Arizona patrols

WASHINGTON – The Mexican army is escorting those attempting to cross over the U.S. border illegally – including known drug-runners – to areas not patrolled by the Minuteman Project near Naco, Ariz., say Border Patrol sources and other officials including a U.S. congressman.

Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., and chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, denounced the action by the Mexican military and called on President Bush to do the same.

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43754


*FW Note:  There are bubbles in the water.  Think the frog will notice?

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« Reply #100 on: April 12, 2005, 05:27:07 AM »
Assailants ambush Mexican police convoy near U.S. border

NUEVO LAREDO, Mexico - Unidentified gunmen ambushed a state police convoy in the border city of Nuevo Laredo on Sunday, wounding three officers and two civilians.

The assailants, who a witness said were dressed in black, fired hundreds of rounds from automatic weapons and police later found a bazooka nearby, though it was unclear whether that weapon had been used.


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http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0410MexicoAmbush10-ON.html#

*FW Note:  Bubble, bubble, bubble...

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« Reply #101 on: April 13, 2005, 10:46:11 AM »
The Frog is only asking for ice-water, thinks the bubbles are a prelude to the Jacuzzi coming on.
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« Reply #102 on: April 14, 2005, 03:53:35 AM »
Mexico's act of war

What would you call it if a neighboring country used its military forces to escort illegal border crossers, including drug-runners, to border areas known to be less secure?

I'd call it an act of war.

And that's what the Mexican government stands accused of doing this week – not just by the Minuteman Project President Bush derides as a "vigilante" movement, but by Border Patrol officers and elected U.S. officials


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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43795

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« Reply #103 on: April 14, 2005, 04:02:24 AM »
Army Reservist Charged in Border Detention

PHOENIX (AP) - An Army reservist was arrested on charges of holding seven Mexicans at gunpoint at a rest stop in southern Arizona, where civilian efforts to watch for illegal immigrants have raised fears of vigilante violence.

Sgt. Patrick Haab, 24, was apparently acting alone and not involved with the Minuteman Project, which has organized volunteers for a monthlong effort to watch for immigrants and drug smugglers along the border.

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http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?id=2005041309330001581581&dt=20050413093300&w=APO&coview=

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http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0413az-border-detention13-ON.html

*FW Note:  We've moved into the "example" phase.  This is where any American citizen who acts on their own to defend themselves from president Bush's "most favored criminals" is themself charged with a crime and persecuted for daring to stand up.  In this case, the government selects a young soldier, a veteran of the Iraq campaign,  who dared to defend himself to prevent an attack by a gang of marauding illegals.  How dare he defend himself, and ON AMERICAN SOIL.

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« Reply #104 on: April 15, 2005, 03:46:24 AM »
ACLU aiding illegal entry into U.S.?

Minuteman spokesman charges group with criminal activity

American Civil Liberties Union activists shadowing the Minuteman Project at the U.S.-Mexican border in Arizona are actively aiding and abetting aliens attempting to enter the country illegally, said a spokesman for the volunteer civilian force.

"They are actively engaging in criminal activity," said Deacon.

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43812

*FW Note:  The most vehement and liberal "civil rights" organization in the nation is assisting criminals to break the law.  President Bush favors ignoring the law to allow illegal immigrants to cross the border without restriction.  Apples to apples.  1+1=2.

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« Reply #105 on: April 15, 2005, 10:39:42 AM »
Authorities free 1 million aliens amid proceedings

One million people facing immigration proceedings have been released into the general population, the government's chief of detention and removal told the Senate yesterday , prompting some Republicans to say the Bush administration is "not serious" about the problem.

The aliens that are being released include murderers, rapists and child molesters.

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« Reply #106 on: April 16, 2005, 04:48:44 AM »
At least the border situation is getting a lot of attention.  Maybe that will help in getting some changes.  I doubt that the problem will ever really be solved though.  Can you say "North American Union?"
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« Reply #107 on: April 18, 2005, 04:05:09 AM »
Reservist: I'm a victim, not a vigilante

By REBECCA TAYLOR

He calls himself a victim, not a vigilante.

After drawing a pistol on a group of alleged undocumented immigrants at an Arizona rest stop, Patrick Haab says the charges against him are unjustified.

Haab, a 24-year-old Army Reserve sergeant, is accused of illegally detaining a group of alleged illegals at gunpoint at an Interstate 8 rest stop.

The incident comes at the same time hundreds of citizens are staking out the Arizona border for the month long Minuteman Project.

"I just acted on my training," he told 3TV, after posting $10,000 bond. "I didn't go crazy. I think a lot of people in that situation would have just shot them."

Haab, who served two tours in the Middle East, said carrying a fire arm is second nature. He didn't think twice when displaying his gun to a group of seven men that, he says, attacked him.

He was detained by sheriff's deputies and charged with seven counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

Haab's father, David, believes his son is being wrongly portrayed as a vigilante.

"Patrick's situation blew the lid off of a simmering pot, and he's being used as a political football," David Haab said. "It's not right."

During a recent interview, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio said Haab's story is filled with contradictions.

"When you fear for your life, you should get back in the car -- not approach the car with a gun, drag them out and put them in fear for their lives just because they look like they're from Mexico," he said.

Now, Haab's case will go before a judge.

"Hopefully, they will see the self-defense side of it," Patrick Haab said. "That's all it is."

http://www.fox11az.com/news/state/stories/041605ccjrktvkhaab.1e5e11f93.html


*FW Note:  This young man's father has his finger on the pulse of this situation, "...he's being used as a political football".  Right on the money.

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« Reply #108 on: April 18, 2005, 08:28:47 AM »
Strange you don't hear anything about what they are going to do with the illegals. You will never see it stopped because to many people benefit from the cheap labor. All the leaders in DC and the traitor in the White House. Now tell me people with our borders wide open what you really thing GWBs war in Iraq is REALLY ABOUT?

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« Reply #109 on: April 18, 2005, 12:04:06 PM »
Border Patrol union supports Minutemen

Says it has had no complaints about monitors, blasts Bush over amnesty

The largest local union of Border Patrol agents in the country has declared its support for the Minuteman Project in Arizona, while at the same time slamming both the American Civil Liberties Union and President Bush.

According to its website, the U.S. Border Patrol Local 2544, which covers the Tucson sector of the agency, the volunteers involved in the border-monitoring Minuteman Project have been nothing but supportive.

"Reports of [Minutemen] causing 'ground sensors' to go off are exaggerated because most of those are being set off by the ACLU sneaking around trying to find the Minutemen doing something wrong."

Read the article at:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43859

*FW Note:  I note an obvious parallel.  The rank and file of the Border Patrol officers seem to support the efforts of the Minutemen.  The Bush administration and the Department of Homeland Security do not.  The parallel is the way big-wigs i.e. from the Fraternal Order of Chiefs of Police do not support concealed carry but a great many of the rank and file police officers on the street do.  Elitism from on-high?

I think YES.

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« Reply #110 on: April 19, 2005, 09:27:56 AM »
Mexico, U.S. to be 'integrated'?

Fox's foreign secretary envisions cooperative future, slams Minutemen

Mexico's foreign secretary says he expects Mexico and the U.S. will one day be "integrated," and he blasted the Minuteman Project, calling for prosecution of the citizen border monitors.

"One thing I can tell you is that the U.S. of the 21st century is not the U.S. of the 19th century."

The official added he hopes the group and its members are prosecuted.

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43879

*FW Note:  Another officer of the Mexican government on American soil preaching to American students about how the border between our two countries is going to go away.

What is it that Mr Bush is not telling us?

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« Reply #111 on: April 19, 2005, 11:08:34 AM »
you can bet their is allot Traitor Bush isn't telling us.

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« Reply #112 on: April 19, 2005, 01:48:58 PM »
:-D  :)  :-D  :)  This is a partial of a post Sourdough made on the Outdoor Experiences forum.  Way too funny. :-D  :-D

"Back in the 70s I was stationed at Luke AFB. I rode horses and hunted all over that dessert around there. I knew the area well. I hear it's changed a lot since then... "

"First we were out in the dessert down near Gila Bend on a three day exercise. We had set up an encampment, and was expecting aggressors to attack the camp that night. I sent a couple of scouts out to check on things, they came back saying someone was coming up the valley. We set up an ambush to catch the aggressors. We waited until the people were well inside our trap, then we set off slap flares and lite up the whole area. My people started shooting their M-16s and M-60s (loaded with blanks) all around what we thought were the aggressors. People started screaming, some ran, many fell to the ground and burrowed into the sand, others raised their hands and stood there. All were speaking spanish, and we did not have a clue what they were saying, we just thought the aggressors were trying to confuse us. So we went on the attack. We went down and started taking them prisoner. Then we discovered we did not have the aggressors but a bunch of illegials. As the Border Patrol picked them up later they said it would probably be a long time before those 18 tried to sneak across the border again. " :D
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« Reply #113 on: April 21, 2005, 03:53:30 AM »
Border volunteers should be deputies

By LARA JAKES JORDAN

WASHINGTON -- A Republican senator said Wednesday the government should consider deputizing private citizens, like the Minuteman Patrol in Arizona, to help secure U.S. borders.

Sen. Wayne Allard, R-Colo., said the U.S. Border Patrol also should look to local law enforcement and state officials for help along the most porous parts of the U.S.-Mexico line.

"I wonder sometimes if maybe we're not looking too much to a federal solution," Allard told Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff during a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing.

"I happen to believe that those people down along the border that formed the Minutemen organization have some real concerns," Allard said.

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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apwashington_story.asp?category=1153&slug=Border%20Volunteers

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« Reply #114 on: April 21, 2005, 03:57:34 AM »
Mexicans urged not to join U.S. military

Slain Marine’s father urges Mexicans not to join U.S. military

By Mark Stevenson

MEXICO CITY — The father of a Mexican-born Marine slain in Iraq came back to his native Mexico on Tuesday to convince young Mexicans not to immigrate to the United States or allow themselves to be recruited into the U.S. armed services.

“People should stay here, rather than pursue the misnamed American dream,” said Fernando Suarez del Solar of San Diego, Calif., who has traveled across the United States and visited Iraq during his anti-war campaign.

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http://www.navytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-797644.php

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« Reply #115 on: April 22, 2005, 04:36:49 AM »
No charges for soldier who held aliens

Arizona county rules act legal citizen's arrest

The Army reservist who was jailed for holding seven illegal aliens at gunpoint until Maricopa County, Arizona, sheriff's deputies arrived will not be prosecuted as the action was determined to be a legal citizen's arrest.

County Attorney Andrew Thomas announced his decision today that Sgt. Patrick Haab did not commit a crime.

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43922

*FW Note:  No charges.  Was this a hotter political potato than they wanted to handle?

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« Reply #116 on: April 22, 2005, 05:48:34 AM »
Seen the County attorney on TV last night. All the support the sergeant got in Arizona he would have chared his mother before he charge the sergeant. lol He knows who can vote him out. Had the sergeant on the news to. He said if it come up again he would handle it the same way He is a TRUE PATRIOT!!

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« Reply #117 on: April 27, 2005, 04:56:07 AM »
Mexico Criticizes U.S. Border Warnings

MEXICO CITY  — Mexico said it was working to improve security in the border region but suggested the U.S. State Department (search) had overreacted by renewing a warning to U.S. travelers about drug violence in northern Mexico.

"Imprecisions and generalizations that hurt the spirit of cooperation in law enforcement and the fight against organized crime should be avoided," the Foreign Ministry said in a statement that also promised to investigate crimes against Americans in the border region.

The U.S. announcement includes a new warning that U.S. citizens have been among the homicide victims.

More than 30 U.S. citizens have been kidnapped or murdered in the past eight months in that city. Daytime shootouts are not uncommon. And in one case, guns were fired on one of the Rio Grande bridges linking Nuevo Laredo to Texas. In some cases assailants killed U.S. citizens near busy shopping areas and within blocks of those bridges.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,154740,00.html

*FW Note:  Oh, those poor angry Mexicans.  When, oh when, will we stop tormenting them for being ingenuine and incompetent?

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« Reply #118 on: April 27, 2005, 06:07:19 AM »
'Minutemen' to push Congress

Minuteman Project organizers will tell members of Congress today that "ordinary citizens sitting in lawn chairs" stopped a flood of illegal aliens along the U.S.-Mexico border, and that if the country's elected leaders "will not defend our nation's borders, American citizens will."

"We demonstrated that ordinary citizens have not only the will, but the means to secure our border," said Mr. Gilchrist, a retired California certified public accountant and combat-wounded Vietnam veteran.

Mr. Simcox, a Tombstone, Ariz., newspaper publisher and founder of Arizona's Civil Homeland Defense Corps (CHD), CHD has reported more than 4,100 illegal aliens to the U.S. Border Patrol since November 2002.

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http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050426-105947-6368r.htm

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« Reply #119 on: April 27, 2005, 02:48:13 PM »
Securing Our Borders

About 200,000 Americans have already signed a petition asking the federal government to secure the borders.

According to research done at Columbia University, illegal immigration is now costing the USA $68 billion every year.

California alone loses $10 billion a year from its treasury because of the illegal problems. Spending on illegals in Arizona costs every household in that state $700 each. Last year, about 7 million illegals worked inside the USA, comprising 5 percent of the work force. The U.S. Justice Department estimates that almost 300,000 illegals served some jail time in the year 2003, most for crimes other than legal entry.

Last year, almost 1.5 million pounds of illegal drugs were seized at the borders, most coming in from Mexico. More than 11 million illegals are living in the USA right now.

...and our government will not secure the borders.

There are about 280 million Americans right now. But how many of us really care about this problem? Even if three million Americans sign the petition, that's only 1 percent of the population.

People get the government they deserve. At this point in our history, Congress and the president simply will not enforce the immigration laws, period. And the only force on this Earth that can make them do it is the American people.

Sign the petition at:

http://www.reformus.org/

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