Author Topic: Pentagon: Saddam capture not fabricated by military (Read 2283 times)

FWiedner · « **on:** March 10, 2005, 03:16:29 AM »

Pentagon: Saddam capture not fabricated by military

Saudi newspaper interviews 'former Marine' who says troops didn't catch Hussein in hole

Pentagon says Saddam Hussein was captured in this 'spider hole'

The Pentagon is flatly denying a report claiming the U.S. military fabricated the details of how the deposed Iraqi dictator was captured, allegedly staging the "spider hole" scenario.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43217

Nightrain52 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 10, 2005, 06:10:30 AM »

Kind of like he said, she said. I don't believe anything that a Saudi Arabian newspaper said so I would be more inclined to believe the Pentagon. :eek: :roll:

powderman · « **Reply #2 on:** March 10, 2005, 03:14:28 PM »

I don't believe the saudis, and why would a FORMER marine be over there unless he's a sympathizer? POWDERMAN. :? :? :? :? :? :?

ironglow · « **Reply #3 on:** March 12, 2005, 04:14:57 AM »

Surely...we can always believe a traitor...ho ho ho...LOL

AS important as the article someone posts here is to look at the SOURCE of the article...

NYH1 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 12, 2005, 05:44:01 AM »

The Marines weren't even involved in capturing Saddam Hussein. "TASK FORCE 121" captured Saddam. "Task Force 121" was made up jointly by CIA paramilitary operatives, Delta Force, Army Rangers (Delta almost alway has at least a company of Rangers with or around them as back up), Navy Seal's (probably SEAL TEAM 6), Green Berets and members of the 4th Infantry Division for more fire power.

I'm in no way knocking the Marine Corps here, but the Marines are probably the most politicly uncorrect and proudest branch of our military. If the Marines would have captured Saddam they would have told the world that the United States Marine Corps captured Saddam, and rightly so!

The Marine Corps wouldn't let anyone "steel their thunder", and President Bush wouldn't let that happen either. Bush really likes the USMC. One of the first things Bush did was replace the "Supreme Allied Commander of NATO" with a Marine, then Commandant General James L. Jones. It was the first time a Marine had a "major command" in Europe sense World War One. And if you remember the Marines were the first (besides Special Forces) to go into Afghanistan which is like 400 miles from shore and not a usual operation for the Marines, thats always been the Army's type of mission, the 82nd Airborne, 101st Airborne and even the Rangers. Bush gave it to the Marines.

To make a long story short, this guy is full of s@#t !

ironglow · « **Reply #5 on:** March 12, 2005, 09:42:34 AM »

As an Army veteran, with a grandson that is presently a Marine....NY Hunter is essentially correct in everything he said...

BamBams · « **Reply #6 on:** March 12, 2005, 10:00:23 AM »

Frankly, I would have liked to see some capture color photos of Saddam stripped naked and placed in a bed of Dandelion flowers with a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20 in one hand, and his toy pistol in the other. We could have sold a million copies of those and got some of our money back that it cost to capture him......but nobody ever thinks like I do. <pout>

ironglow · « **Reply #7 on:** March 12, 2005, 02:29:32 PM »

I would have much rather seen them find the smallest female soldier they could...and have her drag him out of that hole by his beard..

That would have done wonders for the morale of the crazies that are still running loose around there..

NYH1 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 13, 2005, 04:25:57 AM »

Quote from: ironglow

I would have much rather seen them find the smallest female soldier they could...and have her drag him out of that hole by his beard..

That would have done wonders for the morale of the crazies that are still running loose around there..

That would have been awesome!

Don Fischer · « **Reply #9 on:** March 13, 2005, 08:17:25 AM »

You guy's should be glad he isn't being tried in this country. Some lawyer would get him off on a technicality.

Leverdude · « **Reply #10 on:** March 13, 2005, 08:28:53 AM »

Probly the best thing woulda been if they just dropped a few grenades into his hole.

Rustyinfla · « **Reply #11 on:** March 13, 2005, 11:46:48 AM »

Yeah and did you get a load of the name of the "former" Marine?

Like we're going to believe him? Yep I'm biased no doubt about it.

Anybody for a little Cowboys and Muslims??

Rusty <><

powderman · « **Reply #12 on:** March 13, 2005, 01:45:55 PM »

IRONGLOWS idea is great. POWDERMAN. :-D :-D :-D :-D

FWiedner · « **Reply #13 on:** March 13, 2005, 04:28:44 PM »

Quote from: ironglow

I would have much rather seen them find the smallest female soldier they could...and have her drag him out of that hole by his beard..

That would have done wonders for the morale of the crazies that are still running loose around there..

You mean the way that female deputy dragged that fella through the courthouse in Atlanta last Friday?

Yeah, that's the answer.

Turn the bad guys over to a girl.

Not sure that would work out the way you might want.

:?

ironglow · « **Reply #14 on:** March 13, 2005, 11:10:55 PM »

Not quite FW, the military is apparently brighter than that sherriff's dept...and smarter than some Lib judge that said perps who hide knives in their shoes cannot be manacled while being led into the court room...

NYH1 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 14, 2005, 05:15:25 AM »

Quote from: FWiedner

Turn the bad guys over to a girl.

:?

The difference being this "GIRL" would have had "Task Force 121" right next to her ! :grin:

ironglow · « **Reply #16 on:** March 20, 2005, 12:49:43 PM »

FW;
I should hope you didn't think for one minute that I expected the task force to just leave the little lady alone with 'Ol Saddam...
Shucks; I'm not Fulton County sheriffs dept !!

I assumed that the true "tough guys" would be right there, protectively...guess I didn't think I had to spell that out..

FWiedner · « **Reply #17 on:** March 21, 2005, 06:59:02 AM »

IG;

Good men get put in harm's way bailing little girls out when they get in over their heads.

It seems pointless to inject a female into any of these situations unless you see some politically correct benefit to having many people, rather than just one, come to harm.

ironglow · « **Reply #18 on:** March 21, 2005, 10:40:38 AM »

FW..

Just read the post where I suggested it...

The aim was to lower the morale of the enemy by humiliating one of their "heroes"...

Anyone who ever served knows how that works...and double for the haughty, self-righteous enemy we now face...

FWiedner · « **Reply #19 on:** March 21, 2005, 11:21:48 AM »

IG;

I read and understood your intended meaning. Sorry to confuse the issue.

I guess I should have just made the point that I don't see any reason to cater to the enemy's psyche at any level.

If they are the enemy, it doesn't matter how they feel or what they think. The only thing that needs to be in their little minds is that if the Americans show up, they will be killed. I see little point in playing those games intended to intimidate or demoralize them. To hell with their culture, to hell with their cooperation, and to hell with everything else that they may live for and cherish. Just kill them.

While seeing some little bimbo stand and try to look like she's doing something while serious fellows with guns force a deposed dictator out of a hole in the ground may damage their self-esteem, I feel that unending and frequent reports of towns, people, history, and industry disappearing in terrifyingly huge clouds of fire, rubble, and dust will be immensely more effective to garner their full cooperation in establishing the New Democratic World Order.

powderman · « **Reply #20 on:** March 21, 2005, 12:46:54 PM »

FWEIDNER. There have been many of those little BIMBOS give their lives in the service of our nation. POWDERMAN. :? :? :? :? :? :?

FWiedner · « **Reply #21 on:** March 21, 2005, 05:38:37 PM »

Your point being what?

:?

ironglow · « **Reply #22 on:** March 22, 2005, 02:55:58 AM »

Any time your opponent's morale is lowered....that's a benefit to you.

Any soldier, sailor or marine can tell you that...shucks; even a little-league ball player can tell you that !

Powderman's point being...Please don't call the courageous young, American women fighting and sometimes dying in Iraq...BIMBOS...!!!

FWiedner · « **Reply #23 on:** March 22, 2005, 03:20:52 AM »

OK IG;

Why don't you tell me what a better term is for an ornamental female pretending to perform some heroic task while the "real" muscle is in the background making sure she doesn't break a nail or muss her hair?

That is the scenario you have proposed, is it not?

Oh, I have one..."poser".

As far as any perceived insult to those female personnel who are serving, YOU are the one who wants to pose them like Barbie dolls so that the media can get a few photos of them pretending to capture bad guys, not I. Where is the larger insult? In using them for combat cheese-cake photo ops or in saying that good men should not be put in harms way for such foolishness?

ironglow · « **Reply #24 on:** March 22, 2005, 01:24:42 PM »

FW;

The only "Bimbo" slant here are your comments.!!

Clearly, noone mentioned anything about fingernails, mussed hair or Barbie doll..except yourself..

We are dealing on a psychological level here..the very fact that she be female would be enough...she could look like Marilyn Monroe or Gravel Gertie....wouldn't make a bit of difference...

Now if you cannot grasp how a small woman dragging the leading terrorist out of his hole by his beard would demoralize those woman-demeaning zealots...that's YOUR shortcoming....sorry..

ironglow · « **Reply #25 on:** March 22, 2005, 02:28:30 PM »

Deleted by Ironglow...wrong placement..

powderman · « **Reply #26 on:** March 22, 2005, 03:25:51 PM »

FWEIDNER. Personally, I don't believe that women belong in combat, but some are. They can take a bullet, or be blown up the same as a man, and many have been. I'm about as far from being a feminist as you can get, but in my humble opinion, your comments about our female soldiers is way out of line. Many, if not most, of them put their lives on the line the same as the men, I don't like it, but they do. Many, if not most of them, are dedicated to doing their job. You do a disservice, and disrespect them by calling them anything but soldiers. Just my opinion. POWDERMAN. :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :?

ironglow · « **Reply #27 on:** March 22, 2005, 03:58:21 PM »

I say "Amen' to every point you made Powderman..

FWiedner · « **Reply #28 on:** March 22, 2005, 04:06:33 PM »

I don't see anywhere where anyone questioned or insulted the character of service of female soldiers. If that's what you read, then you are reading something that's not there just so's you can have something to gripe about.

My comments were directed specifically at the suggestion that it might seem like a good idea to stage some fanasty event that used a female soldier to portray actions that would never happen in real life. How soon we seem to forget what a media farce the capture and "rescue" of Jessica Lynch was. How soon we forget the Abu Gharib/Lyndie England fiasco.

Using the fabricated actions of women "warriors" for propaganda does more to damage our credibility in the enemy's eyes than losing any actual battle.

Why further soil the honor of our armed forces by involving them in deliberate and orchestrated lies that do nothing to assist in their mission?

ironglow · « **Reply #29 on:** March 23, 2005, 12:27:41 PM »

FW;
Sorry you just can't get it...but no problem..

Nobody is talking about FABRICATING anything..the female soldier would just be putting the finishing touches on the job..

Actually; the soldier then present did quite well, saying to Sadam's "negotiations".
He said simply..." President Bush sends you his regards"..great one liner !

I have to admit I really laughed when you said how concerned you are about our " credibility in the enemy's eyes".

SHEESH!! Get out of La La land....these terrorists want to cut our heads off and will do it every chance they get....

And we should worry about our "credibility" with them...!!! Hee Hee..