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Offline Dusty Miller

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Ruger #1?
« on: March 18, 2005, 08:28:08 AM »
Does the Ruger #1 single shot rifle make any sense whatsoever for hunting in Africa?  I've had the hots to get one in 375H&H for a long time, but I'm probably never going to get to Alaska or Africa where its use might be appropriate.  Just wondering 'cuz the PH is standing right there with 458 Win. Mag. if the single shot don't get the job done.
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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2005, 10:42:46 AM »
I wouldn't recommend a #1 in any cal over .300 mag unless you just love getting kicked really hard. Big bore #1's are the worst kickers I've ever sat behind. For less money,less recoil, and more rounds in the gun, take a look at the CZ550's. I dearly love my ol' .375 but it's a Browning Safari, not a #1. I've shot #1s in .375, .416R, and .458 Lott and I didn't think anything short of a .600 could kick as bad as that .458 Lott. I've owned several #1s over the years, but no more big bores. I once fired a guys 4bore single bbl. (that's a 1/4lb bullet) and I thought a Buick hit me. Even that wasn't as bad as that Lott #1 after I thought about it some. The CZ's a lot more user friendly, and comfortable.
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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2005, 03:13:17 PM »
Single shot rifles are cool, but when it comes to dangerous game, they are a pretty dumb idea. What happens if the PH gets mauled? Now you are going to have to reload fast, and with a great big load of poop in your pants. You might get two people killed.
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2005, 12:21:36 PM »
I guess Ramrod would really be against archery or muzzle loader hunting of DG.  I would have absolutely no hesitation taking my Ruger #1 458 Lott on any dangerous game hunt.  Make the first shot count!!  I hope to take my 416 GNR Encore handgun on a cape buff hunt in 07.

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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2005, 04:29:05 PM »
Dusty Miller,

I have a Ruger #1 in 375h&h and ite the worst kicking thing i have ever shot. I put a mercury coil plus the thickest recoil pad i could find and its still the kickingest thing ever. It makes my 416 rem mag. seem like ned and the first reader. I'm looking for a good home for the thing. No more Ruger # 1s...........Joe............
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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2005, 03:37:04 AM »
Actually, the worst #1 I have ever shot was in an 06.  At least I know what to expect with the .375.
I found that it is a shootable gun, but only with a tight sling, which may be difficult to work with if your time to shoot is limited.  
Off the bench without a sling, I can keep the rounds in about 1.5.  Using the sling I have shot into <5/8 on more than a few occasions.  With the heavy barrel it really doesn't effect the POI to any degree.
If the rifle is one thing it 's accurate.  Those groups were with silvertips and federal 300s.

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Ehh?? DANGEROUS game? and we're worrying about recoil?
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2005, 03:58:10 AM »
I had a .458 when I was younger: a custom, douglas barrel on an eddystone receiver, stock not mounted right -- it began to split, but a gunsmith I know fixed that.  I never learned to handle its recoil.  Only thing that kicked worse was a single shot break action 12 guage that shot 3" magnums.  Next was a Remington classic in .375H&H.  Light rifle, very barrel heavy; the scope I put on it was light, too.  The combination was still too much, even with my past pad.  This was much worse than my .340 wby.  A decelerator pad and mercury recoil reduction system made it much nicer.  So -- I saw a .458 in #1-H at a good price, figured I could re-load it to hunt deer or bear with similar performance as a .45-70.  It has been my interest in reloading that made the .458 worth considering for me again.  I got a 2nd past pad, put them both on, shot the .458, and was very pleased to discover an exuberent shove, but no bruising.  Very good accuracy.  I have since tried it without the Past pad -- and was pleasantly surprised that the recoil is quite manageable.

One thing I recommend is that you don't put the butt on your arm, nor on the ball (or swelling) of your shoulder joint (you may notice a tingling if you shoot there -- that tingling is not a good physiological sign).  You probably shouldn't put it on your collar bone.  If you put the butt below your collar bone just inside the shoulder ball (in the "pocket"), and hold it firmly, you'll find the recoil to be much easier to manage.  The downside is that this is likely to feel strange to you.

There were some adjustments to be made for the sights.  Particularly, when playing with 400 gr hand loads, figuring out open sights (the open sights have 0.1" travel at 18" sight radius, making the total worth 20" at 100 yrds; the 500 gr point of impact is dead center on the leaf, leaving 10" to play with each side; the 400 gr shoots 14"+ high, so there wasn't enough travel available on the leaf to put me in the bull).  I mounted a scope (low cost: 2-7x Redfield Widefield), and solved my problem.  The added complication that some of the bullets I've tried were less than suitable (the Remington 400 gr bullets intended for .45-70 didn't seem to work well for me -- though they seem fine for plinking, they don't measure to full .458" and seem to allow a good bit of blow-by, though they engage the rifling).   In the process, I have been shooting 20+ rounds full charges in 400gr and 500 gr loads from a bench.  This produce no more discomfort than some of my .06's or my 7mm rem (also a #1: a 1-S, not made in that configuration and caliber this year, but is my favorite) without a past pad.

One thing that strikes me in this post is that it was the recoil that got the most interest in the reply, rather than the single-shot limitation.  I bought the rifle with my eyes open: I know the .458 isn't really more than a 200 yrd gun (150 by most reckoning), since it has sacrificed almost all of its exterior ballistics for terminal ballistics (don't say that to the 1000 yrd .45-70 BPCR target crowd) which implies its primary purpose in life is to put down a charge by a large animal, which also implies fast handling, rapid cycling of cartridges is what is expected; while the #1-H is fast enough to handle, it is a little slow to reload compared to bolt action rifles when most of these dangerous game critters can cover that 100 yrds in a very few seconds (that is, 100 yrds in just under 6 secs at 35mph -- I might get off 2 or three shots -- maybe 4 if nothing fumbled, the ejected shell cleared, I got the cartridges into my fingers smoothly -- only, in that time).  But it will deliver pristine shot placement on that first shot.  

There is a link to a video elsewhere on this forum that shows a Cape Buffalo charge being put down.  There were 6 shots in 15 secs.  Clearly, not all of those shots were made by one shooter.  My take on that is that the 1-H is likely fast enough on that count -- the problem is whether you're able to futz with cartridges when you have this animal coming at you.  If you're comfortable with the rifle -- I don't see why not.

Dan

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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2005, 02:07:22 PM »
Give a Ruger #3 in 45-70 a try with full power handloads, it's the worst I've ever shot....by a long shot.  Brutal.

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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2005, 04:25:39 PM »
I believe you, WhelenMan!  I *think* I know what you might mean...

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Updated my prior post describing my 1H in .458.
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2005, 10:09:22 AM »
Some additional experiences and observations that might be worth looking at..

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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2005, 10:40:29 AM »
I have a Ruger #1 in 45-70. I put a mercury recoil suppressor and a sims pad on it and it is a fun gun to shoot now, even with hot loads. I also have a Encore with a 416 Rigby barrel on it and I also installed a mercury recoil suppressor and a sims pad on it. Both guns are very manageable with that set up.  :D
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Re: Ruger #1?
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2005, 10:43:01 AM »
Quote from: Dusty Miller
Does the Ruger #1 single shot rifle make any sense whatsoever for hunting in Africa?  I've had the hots to get one in 375H&H for a long time, but I'm probably never going to get to Alaska or Africa where its use might be appropriate.  Just wondering 'cuz the PH is standing right there with 458 Win. Mag. if the single shot don't get the job done.


Almost forget, I would use a single shot in Africa. I am going to go after a Water Buffalo and use my 416 Rigby in an Encore.
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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2005, 03:24:23 AM »
my #1 is a 375 and with full powerhouse handloads it kicks like a mule, I used to think it was the worst kicking thing I've ever shot. But I began shooting my 12ga 3" slug gun from the shootingbench and it doesn't kick as bad as that.
 My 45-70 marlin 1895 with max reloads is a pusstcat compared to both!