Author Topic: UP GRADES FOR MY G23 (Read 1479 times)

HARD-CORE · « **on:** February 11, 2003, 04:56:13 AM »

HI GUYS,

I'VE BEEN DOING A LITTLE RESEARCH ON UP GRADES FOR MY G23 AND I ORDERED A NEW STEEL GUIDE ROD AND JENTRA PLUG. WHEN I GET A LITTLE MORE CASH ON HAND I WANT TO GET A MAG AND SLIDE RELEASE EXTENTION. WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU GUY'S RECOMMEND.
ALSO I'VE READ ABOUT PART #10 FAILING IN A FEW REVIEWS ON SOME OTHER MODELS OF GLOCK. IS THIS SOME THING TO WORRY ABOUT?

THANKS

HARD CORE

Mainspring · « **Reply #1 on:** February 11, 2003, 09:32:37 AM »

I don't know what you're intended use is for your Glock, but if it's for defensive purposes (like I have to assume it is) I'd think a little longer about the mag and slide catch extensions. I put both of those on my M22 to use on duty, and they lasted about 2 weeks. Not that the parts failed, they did exactly what they were supposed to do. It's just that they did what they were intended to to when I didn't want them to do it.

The first to be un-installed was the extended mag release. My holster would routinely depress that thing, especially in the cruiser. I don't have to go into how that can become problematic. I also found that when using an IWB holster, the thing would dig into my flank.

I didn't really notice any problems with the extended slide catch until I did a lot of shooting on qual day. On several stages I inadvertantly hit that thing, and I could see where it could be a real problem for me. At the last Glock police armorer's class I attended, and the ones before that, the instructor advocated pulling the slide to the rear to release it after changing mags, and to use the slide catch as just that...a catch to manually activate to hold the slide open. Just some food for your thought.

IMHO, the only mods you should be thinking about are night sights and one of those plugs to plug up the hole at the bottom of the frame behind the mag well...and only because I think they look cool. Save the extended wizzie gizzies for your comp guns, and leave your defensive weapons as simple as possible.

JeffG · « **Reply #2 on:** February 14, 2003, 03:45:26 PM »

100% Mainspring, a Glock is a fighting gun. It's complete right out of the box in my opinion. Night sights, good ones are a good option. For me, I stick with the theory that sights only verify stance, better to work on your stance. The Streamlight M-3 Lght would be my only only exception, as it fulfills one need of defensive fire: Identification
Aquisition
Identification
Isolation
Nuetralization, if the target continues to be a threat...

Alice Cooper · « **Reply #3 on:** February 14, 2003, 05:28:20 PM »

yes. throw away the steel giude rod and plug, and spend your cash on practice...later on you can buy a colt if you want to change parts!

KING · « **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2003, 07:55:16 AM »

100 percent fer mainspring also...king

HARD-CORE · « **Reply #5 on:** February 15, 2003, 11:34:13 AM »

HEY GUYS,

I DON'T DOUGHT THAT THE GLOCK IS A GREAT GUN OUT OF THE BOX BUT I THOUGHT THAT A STEEL GUIDE ROD WOULD'NT HURT. IT WOULD BE GOOD INSURANCE SO YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT A BROKEN GUIDE ROD WHEN YOU REALLY NEEDED YOUR SIDE ARM TO WORK. AND NOT TO THROW ANY STONES BUT I HAVE SEEN PHOTOS OF BROKEN GLOCK GUIDE RODS AND THEY ARE NOT 100% RELIABLE. CHANCES ARE THAT IT WILL NEVER BREAK BUT IM NOT WILLING TO TAKE A CHANCE :-)

HARD CORE

Alice Cooper · « **Reply #6 on:** February 15, 2003, 12:20:24 PM »

just out of curiosity,i went looking for guide rod info...well, the only factory guide rod problems i've seen so far are put out by the people selling guide rods.did find several people with problems with stainless steel and titanium rods tho!binding, springs out of spec,slide lock not working...then they put the stock stuff in and it works.the steel giude rod is the answer looking for a question.like full length guide rods in 1911's,another answer to a non problem.i've found after 40 years of fooling with guns,if it ain't broke, don't fix it!

Savage · « **Reply #7 on:** February 15, 2003, 12:47:28 PM »

Hey Glocksters,
I have to agree that Glocks are pretty much good to go right out of the box. If they are used as a house gun or CCW only I would advocate no modifications other than night sights. My mdl 21 does double duty as a IDPA gun as well as a duty weapon. I shoot it a lot, logic being pratice=proficency. Because I shoot it a lot I tend to fix little things about the gun to make it more to my liking and improve the fit. I start with the grip frame--the finger grooves don't fit my hand at all. I don't care for the near smooth surfaces. I take a soldering iron and flow the finger
ridges into the grooves. I then stipple the entire grip with the slodering iron. That gives me a good non slip grip even in the rain and removes the annoyances of the ill fitting finger grooves. Now I have a gun that fits my hand, and when I draw my hand is properly positioned every time.
Now I go to the inside and replace the stock connector with the 3.5#. I then replace the stock striker spring with a 6.5#. I now have a crisp trigger pull of about 5#, with a reliable primer strike. Then I install an extended mag release using the stock mag release spring. Never had a problem with accidental ejection of the mag with my duty rig or my IDPA gear. The duty rig is a SLS the IDPA gear is Kydex. Then to finish it off I install a SS guide rod (captive) with a 21# spring. The end result is a good fitting reliable duty and competition weapon that I can shoot better than stock. Now, what's wrong with that?
Stay Safe,
Savage

Mainspring · « **Reply #8 on:** February 17, 2003, 07:15:59 AM »

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I have to agree that Glocks are pretty much good to go right out of the box. If they are used as a house gun or CCW only I would advocate no modifications other than night sights.

I think that's the most important part of your post Savage. Although I neglected to mention it in my original reply, I think that the addition of a New York trigger spring is a sound investment for a CCW/Duty weapon. Especially with the M23 that Hardcore is using, I wouldn't mess with a 3.5 lb connector. I still think that those light triggers and extended wizzie gizzies are best left for match guns. A guy may not ever have a problem with a mag staying in the car when he gets out, but why chance it? And he may not ever accidentally touch off a round under stress with a light trigger, but again, why chance it? I didn't throw away my extended wizzie gizzies, because on a comp gun they can come in handy, and if I ever use a Glock as strictly a match gun, I may put them back on. But for duty/CCW, I just see them as a liability.

Taking a sodering iron to the frame??? :eek: :eek: :eek: I bow before your greatness, Savage. I don't have the stomach for that. I know that sure as Christ made little apples if I attempted that, I'd end up with a seriously "skeletonized" frame.

I feel your pain about those finger groves, though. They don't fit me either. I like my straight grip M22 with a Hogue slip-on. I don't like those molded finger groves so much that I got a Kahr 4043 over a G27. Is anyone making anything to slip over those grips..other than a thick rubber band?

Bottom line HARDCORE, my vote is for night sights, a NY trigger spring, and one of those plugs I mentioned...and something to slip over that grip if such an animal exists. Remember K.I.S.S. If you're handy and/or lucky with a sodering iron, you can try Savage's approach...and if you do I'll bow before your greatness too. :-D

HARD-CORE · « **Reply #9 on:** February 17, 2003, 07:25:22 AM »

MAIN SPRING,

WHAT IS THE DIFFRENCE BETWEEN A STOCK AND A NY TRIGGER SPRING?

THANKS

HARD CORE

Mainspring · « **Reply #10 on:** February 17, 2003, 08:37:10 AM »

The stock trigger spring is a coil affair that attaches directly to the connector. A New York trigger spring is more like a leaf spring that the connector slides on. It is a little stiffer, but it takes some of the "Glock mush" out of the trigger that some folks complain about. It offers a little more resistance, but provides a more consistant pull throughout the cycle. I love them and highly recommend them for every glock. There is also a New York "+" spring, but it just about takes two men and a boy to pull that thing, and I generally don't recommend them.

The New York spring is, like everything else Glock, drop-in, and should only take a Glock 'smith about 2 minutes to install. Last I knew the part cost about $1.25. Money well spent.

Savage · « **Reply #11 on:** February 17, 2003, 02:50:31 PM »

Mainspring,
My duty gun is my competiton gun. What better gun to pratice with than the one you carry daily and bet your life on. I have never been a propotent of replacing training with more mechanical safeties. My gun shoots when I want it to. I keep my finger off the trigger till then. In my humble opinion making the gun more difficult to shoot well is not making it safer. A day on the range with my gun and you might get out the soldering iron too!! If I ever figure out how to send an image I'll post a picture of it--and no, it's not for sale!!! Well ----maybe!
Stay Safe,
Savage[/img]

HARD-CORE · « **Reply #12 on:** February 26, 2003, 05:39:24 AM »

Hey guys,

Thanks for the input. I think that i will go with the ny trigger spring and a good set of night sights. What sights do you recomend?

thanks
Hard core

Savage · « **Reply #13 on:** February 26, 2003, 06:17:36 AM »

Hard-core,

Personally don't like the NY spring. I have read instances where they have become disloged (They don't hook in like the coil) and do nothing positive for the trigger pull. I would opt for a 6.5 firing pin spring over the NY spring if you want a crisp trigger. As for the night sights, I like the profile of the PT sights, however the Meprolights are brighter. Prices on the two are about the same. I have both on my Glocks.
Stay Safe,
Savage

KENTDEP · « **Reply #14 on:** March 02, 2003, 02:57:49 PM »

I would get Trijicon sights and ditto to all the keep it simple replys. I am an armorer in a department of 500+ Sheriff Deputys and I have never seen or heard on a single guide rod failure. Get the sights and the Slug plug (I like them too, have one on my G27).

Jay