Author Topic: Mueller Multi-Scope (Read 2251 times)

Cookiemann · « **on:** March 23, 2005, 11:49:43 PM »

Does anyone have one of these on their rifle or shotgun? How do you like it.? The price is in the range I can afford. Would this be a good choice for my 243? It might also have to do double duty as a slug scope as I would like to add a USH 20ga. barrel.

getom59 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 24, 2005, 02:20:28 AM »

I have a 3-9 X40 IGR mounted on my Sportster .22M and would definitely recommend them. The optics are clear, the finger click adjustments are nice, and the illuminated dot is the ticket for low light situations. I think the dot is perfect for hunting, it helps with faster target acquisition, and it seemed to be pretty darn good for paper punching too. The dots are ¼ at 25 yards, ½ inch at 50 yards, and 1inch at 100 yards. The 100 yard parallax setting at the factory didn't seem to hurt anything at shorter ranges for me. I plan on getting a couple more to go on some of my other rifles.

myarmor · « **Reply #2 on:** March 24, 2005, 05:08:36 AM »

I am glad someone posted about Mueller scopes, because I was about to. I was also curious about this and the high power 6-25x50 Eraticatator. But I guess it's ot out yet-spring.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #3 on:** March 24, 2005, 06:02:32 AM »

I have the Multi-shot, it's a great scope, the link below will tell you more...

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=58963

The Eraticator 8.5-25x50IGR is available right now, has been for about a year, the silver Eraticator will be available from Jon at The Optic Zone April 5th for $200 and free shipping.

Tim

http://muelleroptics.com/index.htm

Eraticator on my .204 Ruger Ultra

hellacatcher · « **Reply #4 on:** March 24, 2005, 11:01:38 AM »

I have the 8.5-25x50 I have only had it out once but it seems it will do what I want which is long range paper punching and p- dogs or what ever.

jdseven1 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 24, 2005, 02:29:58 PM »

I have the 3 x 9 40 igr on my .223 handi and its a great scope for the money. Will punch 1" groups at 100yds. I also have had it mounted on my savage/anschutz mark 10 .22 and it gives the same performence. When I get my .204 barrel I will get the 8.5x25x50.

lostsniper308 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 27, 2005, 09:40:48 AM »

hello all i just joined here cause it's the first forum with a section dedicated to H&R/NEF rifles. Now these Meuller scopes intriguied me cause i'll be soon buying a .223 or.204 barrell for my Ultra .308. The Sport Dot 3-10x 44 and 4-16x50AO i likey most. How much do these run for? i know FAC of America sells them.

Haywire Haywood · « **Reply #7 on:** March 27, 2005, 09:55:28 AM »

Welcome to the forum LS, lots of friendly knowledgeable folk here, you'll like it I'm sure.

Ian

quickdtoo · « **Reply #8 on:** March 27, 2005, 10:18:13 AM »

Quote from: lostsniper308

hello all i just joined here cause it's the first forum with a section dedicated to H&R/NEF rifles. Now these Meuller scopes intriguied me cause i'll be soon buying a .223 or.204 barrell for my Ultra .308. The Sport Dot 3-10x 44 and 4-16x50AO i likey most. How much do these run for? i know FAC of America sells them.

Welcome aboard LS308!

You can check out the Mueller scopes at www.theopticzone.com Jon has great prices on Mueller scopes and free shipping on internet orders and offers great service to boot! He is also a GBO sponsor....Also check out the Mueller web site for all the info on their complete line and a couple new offerings that aren't available yet.

http://muelleroptics.com/

lostsniper308 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 27, 2005, 10:24:27 AM »

they are certainly eye catching arent they (Mueller that is) I want the 4-16x50AO most all.

Has anyone experienced accuracy changes/ POI from swapping barrel to barrel. In my soon case .308 to .233 and back again and again...ect. .308 for the Whitetail .223 Varmint/shootin range. ALready got a Nikon 3-9x40 Pro-Staff on the .308.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #10 on:** March 27, 2005, 10:55:44 AM »

There should be no change in accuracy since the barrel and scope are one unit. It will shoot the same each time it is mounted in that frame. If you shoot a barrel on a different frame, I would expect it may shoot differently. I try to make sure the forend screw is tightened the same amount each time, either by indexing or using a torque screwdriver on it.

Mueller also has the new Tactical 4-16x50 with illuminated mildot reticle, which you may be interested in, don't know if Jon has that one yet, but I'd sure check.
They are also working on several new scopes, so stay tuned for more options. :wink:

Fred M · « **Reply #11 on:** March 27, 2005, 12:23:09 PM »

Quick.
Was looking for Mueller at the shot show to have a look at them. But Mueller was not listed in the directory. Looks like they are not a bad scope for the money.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #12 on:** March 27, 2005, 01:06:47 PM »

Yup, they're an excellent value for the money and a bit more, to tell you the truth! I have 4 of em and am considering more as their product line expands. Their customer service is second to none, also!!!

lostsniper308 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 27, 2005, 03:15:56 PM »

Yea they say that they target advertise rather than mass so good luck finding them like a Nikon ad.

About the forend screw i kinda messed with it once i got it and i think its off cause POI seems to shift, what is the setting and how can i find out what mine is at and how to get it there everytime (without a torque wrench)

Mitch in MI · « **Reply #14 on:** March 27, 2005, 04:09:40 PM »

If you put a dot of paint or nail polish on the screw head towards the front of the gun, you can never be off by less than a full turn, and that should be easy to feel without a torque wrench.

lostsniper308 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 27, 2005, 04:32:25 PM »

you've got a H&R/NEF whats yours at? # of rotations

lostsniper308 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 28, 2005, 11:45:52 AM »

yea i'd havta say the POI is shifting. 1st of i had it zeroed at 50yrds but then 2 days later it shot bout 2 1/2-3" higher. And to top it off the first group can barely be called a group and i guess it was so bad i never grabbed the target 1st shot very high 2nd and 3rd were left and right i think but can't remember. Now i groups nicely under 1" when im squeezing right but one group was high and horizontally zero but then another group moved over left about an inch then my very last bullet again went to the group that was zeroed horizontally. this really pissing me off now. Federal Power-shok 150gr. I havn't fully trained me trigger pull but i think i had it right for most the shots. gonna buy more Feds and see where it shoots next time.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #17 on:** March 28, 2005, 11:57:11 AM »

Trigger pull follow through is real important with the Handi, the transfer bar safety mechanism requires the trigger to be pulled fully to the rear when it breaks, or inconsistent pin strikes and consequently, accuracy will be inconsistent. What yours is doing sounds like it may be a loose base, ring or bad scope, so I would make sure all is good from the base screws being loctited and on up. Some base screws have been reported as being too long, or the mount holes have been filled with loctite that prevents the screws from tightening properly, I would check both. The bottom of the mount holes should be shiny, not dull, if they're dull, dig the loctite out and reinstall the bases screws with loctite.

The forend screw torque should be just snug, if you install and "O"ring on the forend stud, the screw should just start to, but not compress the "O"ring. Check out the recent thread on what to do with a new Handi for more tips.

Tim

lostsniper308 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 28, 2005, 01:51:50 PM »

what size of an O-ring and is it accuracy improving? Now i have a bipod on my H&R Ultra does that affect anything? I have no Loc-Tite but i can certainly tighten the base screws.

lostsniper308 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 28, 2005, 01:53:53 PM »

I just re-did the screw i went till it started actually tighting then just about 1/16ths of a turn(1 1/2-2mm) hows that? and the i cranked down the scope rings (ring screws and screws that attach it to the base. is it to overtighten a ring screw, like a too tight not stripping.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #20 on:** March 28, 2005, 03:11:21 PM »

What kind of rings are you using?

The "O" ring info can be found in the FAQ sticky at the top of this forum list.

Loctite or any thread locker or even finger nail polish is essential to keep the base screws from backing out, you can buy it at any automotive parts store or at your local hardware store in the adhesive section. Be sure to use BLUE loctite, not red. The ring cap screws should be snug to tight but not extremely tight, too tight and they will for sure damage the scope. Most scope mfrs recommend approx 20-30 inch/lbs torque which isn't much. Base screws can be tighte, but not so tight that they strip or break.

lostsniper308 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 28, 2005, 03:34:27 PM »

im using Leupold Riflman Aluminum rings Med height. Why oh why is there so much to making a rifle/ scope work right?? bugs the hell outta me. them ring caps probably would strip before becomong too tight being aluminum but they are rather tight to the point of being harder to turn(the screws). Loc-tite BLUE? is the bottle blue or something?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #22 on:** March 28, 2005, 04:00:38 PM »

The Blue threadlocker is medium strength and can be removed with hand tools....red can't without heat.

http://www.acehardware.com/sm-loctite-threadlocker--pi-1295867.html

lostsniper308 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 28, 2005, 04:57:15 PM »

well alright hate to do it but i guess i'll get some. remove the scope, mount screws and re-attach the mount with loc-tite but how bout some on the rings (all screws)

quickdtoo · « **Reply #24 on:** March 28, 2005, 05:44:17 PM »

Most ring mfrs recommend against loctite on the rings screws. I've never used it on ring screws and never had em get loose.

myarmor · « **Reply #25 on:** March 29, 2005, 08:59:54 AM »

Hey quick, how do you like your 6-25x50 that I was talking about? Clarity? Weight? Adjustments? any info would be great my friend. :-)

quickdtoo · « **Reply #26 on:** March 29, 2005, 09:24:22 AM »

Well, let's make sure we're talking about the same scope, it's an 8.5-25x50 not a 6-25x50 if you mean the Eraticator, Mueller doesn't make a 6-25....yet! :wink: They are in the process on some new optics, though, but they're still in developement. The Eraticator is one heck of a nice scope, to equal it, you would need to spend considerably more money. Check out the reviews at Mueller's web site.

www.muelleroptics.com

lostsniper308 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 29, 2005, 11:09:18 AM »

IS there a real difference between the Eraticator and the Sport Dot 4-16x50mm in terms of 'excellence'?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #28 on:** March 29, 2005, 11:45:48 AM »

The optical quality is pretty close, but the reticle difference is the biggest difference....the Eraticator dot covers less than 1/2" at 100yds, but the X-hairs are super fine...

Compared to the Sport Dot's #4 german reticle which is super heavy...

And of course the Sport Dot has a 16x highest magnification compared to the Eraticator's 25x.

lostsniper308 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 29, 2005, 12:00:05 PM »

i wouldn't want 24x...well maybe i would