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« on: March 28, 2005, 04:00:52 AM »
NRA Leader Advocates Guns for Teachers

All options should be considered to prevent rampages like the Minnesota school shooting that took 10 lives -- including making guns available to teachers, a top National Rifle Association leader said Friday.

If it is the responsibility of teachers to protect students in a school, "then we as a society, we as a community have to provide a way for the teachers to do that."

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http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-nra-safe-schools,0,3041623.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines

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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2005, 05:01:24 AM »
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A law prohibiting guns in schools "is not going to stop someone who has evil in their heart and who has the capacity to commit those crimes from doing them," Froman said.


Yeah THAT'S IT...let's put MORE guns in incompetent hands at school!  Once again...the NRA is focusing more on increasing gun ownership rather than ensuring those that do own guns act more responsibly :roll:
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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2005, 06:26:03 AM »
Is "incompetence" a good reason to tell someone that they will not be allowed to defend their life?

Among the American people, I am sure that professional gunfighters measure as just a tiny fraction of a percent of the population.

Who is so competent and available that they can protect the average "incompetent" American from mortal harm in all places, and at all times, if that citizen is disallowed by law from protecting himself?

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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2005, 10:59:36 AM »
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A law prohibiting guns in schools "is not going to stop someone who has evil in their heart and who has the capacity to commit those crimes from doing them," Froman said.


Yeah THAT'S IT...let's put MORE guns in incompetent hands at school!  Once again...the NRA is focusing more on increasing gun ownership rather than ensuring those that do own guns act more responsibly :roll:



If theyre not competent enough to keep a gun then they arent competent enuff to teach children.
It should be plain to see that putting restrictions on places where people can bring guns doesnt make those places safer.
Sad thing but if a teacher or other person there woulda been armed things might have been alot different.
Cant understand why so many people are against other people being armed.  :?
 Heck I wish everyone in America would go out & buy 10 guns tomorrow.  :grin:
I'd bet that if the repealed all the restrictive gun laws tommorow, just leave violent felons out (Unless thats unconstituional) you wouldnt see that big an increase in gun ownership. Probably a spurt at first but I think most people who want to have a gun already do.
Obviously places like NYC & Washington DC where they are just forbidden now would see alot of sales at first as the honest folks got armed, but is that bad?
People cry about more guns alot. More guns isn't ever the case, its more BS by the media that the sheep believe.
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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2005, 11:21:06 AM »
Does not seem to be a politically astute statement on the part of the NRA.  As our gun rights continue to be eroded, this would appear to give those in favor of total disarmament another point in declaring that the lobby representing gun owners is irresponsible, and by extension those who own guns are irresponsible, the proof being we support those making suggestions such as this.  Calling for armed security officers would have seemed to me a more prudent statement.

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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2005, 11:54:41 AM »
ARMED security officers would have been a much better request.  That's just not the NRA's style... The last thing we need are teachers packing guns into an already volatile situation.  Many teachers have a hard enough time TEACHING, much less worrying about the safety of the students.  PROTECTING out children is not a teachers job...TEACHING them is.  That's just like saying it is a teachers job to raise our children, especially when the parents can't handle the job.  Sure they play a roll in it, but it is not solely their responsibiltiy.

Many of the teachers I have come into contact with are well meaning, they just are not the type of people I would feel comfortable around if I knew they were armed.  These same teachers would also opt carry simply because "everyone else is doing it, so there must be a need for me to have a gun too."
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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2005, 12:17:07 PM »
Political "Astuteness" is a big part of the problem too.
Being afraid of doing the right thing because of  what everyone else might think doesn't solve many real problems. I thought at one time our president was above this but time has proved me wrong.
Its the American peoples fault really for voting with their emotions instead of their heads.
While it sounds like someone cares if they outlaw guns in schools it in reality does nothing to stop or deter this type of thing.
While it sounds barbaric to say school employees should be able to go to work armed it will definately make a difference.

As I said I wish everyone in America would go out tommorow & buy themselves some guns.

For the most part it'll work as a deterent just as our nukes have for over 60 years.

I do agree that the NRA's message will be construed to make it & us look like loonies but it saddens me that people are so stupid.  :-)
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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2005, 12:20:30 PM »
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PROTECTING out children is not a teachers job


What about protecting themselves? Its not our job to say who can be armed.
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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2005, 02:57:22 PM »
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ARMED security officers would have been a much better request.  That's just not the NRA's style... The last thing we need are teachers packing guns into an already volatile situation.  Many teachers have a hard enough time TEACHING, much less worrying about the safety of the students.  PROTECTING out children is not a teachers job...TEACHING them is.  That's just like saying it is a teachers job to raise our children, especially when the parents can't handle the job.  Sure they play a roll in it, but it is not solely their responsibiltiy.

Many of the teachers I have come into contact with are well meaning, they just are not the type of people I would feel comfortable around if I knew they were armed.  These same teachers would also opt carry simply because "everyone else is doing it, so there must be a need for me to have a gun too."

Israel had their last school shooting in 1974. After that they armed and trained their teachers. They haven't had a school shooting since. The trouble with security guards is that the students will know who and what they are, so when a shooter steps onto campus he'll target them first. A certain number of teachers could be trained. The students wouldn't have to know which teachers were armed or how many of them there are, thus having a lovely surprise reception prepared for the shooter(s). The children's safety most certainly is the teachers' responsibility when the children are on campus, and I don't know a single teacher who doesn't feel that responsibility.
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