Terri Schiavo has passed

[JPSaxMan]

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. - Fourteen days after a court ordered her feeding tube removed, and after multiple attempts by her parents to get the order lifted, Terri Schiavo passed away on Thursday.

The family battle over whether to keep her alive galvanized the nation.

The case had spent seven years winding its way through the courts, with the parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, repeatedly on the losing end.

The nation’s high court on Wednesday declined to intervene for the sixth time. Hours earlier in an 9-2 ruling, the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta declined to grant a new hearing in the case — the fourth time since last week that it ruled against the Schindlers.

 
Judge critical of Bush, Congress
One of the appeals court judges rebuked the White House and lawmakers Wednesday for acting “in a manner demonstrably at odds with our Founding Fathers’ blueprint for the governance of a free people — our Constitution.”

“Any further action by our court or the district court would be improper,” wrote Judge Stanley Birch Jr., appointed by President Bush’s father.

Federal courts were given jurisdiction to review SchiavoÂ’s case after Republicans in Congress pushed through unprecedented emergency legislation aimed at prolonging her life. But federal courts at three levels have rebuffed her parents.

The Schindlers had asked the 11th Circuit and the Supreme Court to order the reinsertion of their daughter’s feeding tube immediately so a federal district court can review the case from its beginning, including whether there was enough “clear and convincing” evidence that she would have chosen to die in her current condition.

The SchindlersÂ’ motion included arguments that the 11th Circuit in its earlier rulings did not consider whether there was enough evidence that Terri Schiavo would have chosen to die.

But appeals court judges Gerald Tjoflat and Charles Wilson, the same two judges who also issued dissenting opinions last week when the full court considered the case for the first time, said the harried pace of appeals made it impossible to determine if state courts properly considered the evidence.

The two dissenters said Wednesday “it is fully within Congress’s power to dictate standards of review” for federal courts. “Indeed, if Congress cannot do so, the fate of hundreds of federal statutes would be called into question.”

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

[riverjackal]

I hope that the judge that denied her feeding tube to be inserted suffers the same fate.
And  I hope that all the good people of the U.S. that wanted her to die are happy.

[Robert]

Last year, a deer was struck near here and it was suffering with 3 broken legs sitting in the middle of the highway.  5 vehicles were sitting there looking in shock.  3 of those vehichles were large pickups..two had gun-racks and were probably hunters.  Nobody could figure out what to do.  I got out of my rig and planted my 20 ounce framing hammer in her skull.  It was the quickest, most merciful thing I could think to do at the moment.  I did not enjoy doing it, but it had to be done.  I think it is odd that we put animals out of their misery, yet we pay doctors and lawyers BILLIONS of dollars to keep our loved ones suffering.  Who benefits?
  Let her go.  She is at peace now...but it will take her family a very long time to recover. (if ever)

[JPSaxMan]

I agree with Robert on this.

Riverjackal, it made it sound like you were calling those of us who wanted her to be in the presence of the Lord, away from her suffering and back to her Savior, evil. How could you keep someone like that alive for so long? I wouldn't know...I've never been in that situation. I'd think it would take me a while (months) but not years before I pulled the plug on my loved ones; b/c I know of their wishes at this point. I'd have to bring myself to give the order but it wouldn't take years.  

[dukkillr]

agreed.  there are much more merciful ways to help someone die than starvation but the moral marauders won't let us use those means.  

terri schiavo died 15 years ago, the only reason this case was ever an issue is because she was brain dead with her eyes open rather than the standard coma.  since she LOOKED alive people who never evaluated her declared her to be "disabled" rather than "brain dead".  They ignored the courts who heard all the evidence and testimony because it disagreed with them.  They ignored the constitution when Florida and then the US Congress made some almost clearly unconstitutional legislation because they wanted to see their morals imposed on others.  

This was a family squabble that was settled fairly in court, by rule of law, in a predictable fashion.  It's too bad this had to happen.

[Don Fischer]

It seem's to me that if there really is a God and a heaven and that God call's his children home, that the only clear winner here was Terri. So the choice for some is to except that she has finally won or be bitter. That choice is your's. How are you going to heal? I hope not by sending Michael to hell.

Had Michael divorced his wife befor moving on, wouldn't that also have been deserting her in her time of need? For whatever reason he did not do that. He got on with his life and took the heat. In the end Terri got what he claim's she wanted all along. It would have been much easier to have gotten the divorce year's ago, Abandoning what he claim's was his promise to Terri. Should that be true, and there is no evidence to dispute it, then I admire the guy. He would have fulfilled his promise, nay sayer's be damned.

[jh45gun]

Don before you put the guy up for saint hood most folks would wonder about how his girl friend and his kids by her fits into the scheme of things. In that case he should have either tryed to divorce her or get the marriage annuled.

[riverjackal]

Like I said, I hope all those that wanted her dead are happy, if you fit into that category, live with yourself, you wanted it, you got it is all I can say.

[Don Fischer]

No sainthood jh45gun, just a lot of unanswered question's. And once again, I am not prepared to slit ANYBODY'S throat based on the information I've seen. But the bottom line is, for Terri, the nightmare is over. We can speculate what she may have gone thru, but speculate is all we can do, we don't know. And we can condem Michael but to do so is to do it without benefit of all the fact's, which we may never know. That would make us no better than the person we condem, or maybe just prove we're human's and sometime's governed by emotion, right or wrong.

No, no sainthood, not for anybody!

[deb]

I've had so much trouble dealing with this. I worked in nursing homes for many years and have witnessed this. But, every time the decision was made at the time of injury, illness, by family members or power of attorney for tubes or no tubes, NOT 7 years later. No matter the case, once a feeding tube is inserted it should not be removed. I've cared for residents who by stroke or whatever, are literally trapped inside their body. They look at you, follow you (with their eyes) and on a rare, but wonderful occasion, smile! What a feeling that gives!
Residents in late stages of whatever dementia are spoon fed every meal, every day, should that be stopped, too?
I whole-heartily believe God does what He does for a reason. Most of the time we never figure it out.
I have found this whole ordeal barbaric, and like I said, have trouble with it.

May you finally have well deserved peace in God's hands, Terri, and I will pray for your family to pull through strong.  
I am so sorry your life had to turn into a media circus.

Deb   :-)

[Don Fischer]

deb said:

I am so sorry your life had to turn into a media circus.

And that is a tragedy! No matter who is right or who is wrong, her death was without dignity by no fault of her own.

[powderman]

I read today where the pope had a feeding tube inserted in his nose because he cant swallow, eat or drink, uhhhhh like Teri. He couldn't even talk, uhhhhhh, like Teri. He can't even walk, uhhh, like Teri. He's old too, guess he'll never get back to what some would consider a quality life, should he be starved to death too? After all, what are his chances at his age of ever getting back to having a REAL life ?? POWDERMAN.  :?  :?  :?  :?  :?  :?  :?  :?  :?  :?  :?  :?  :?

[JPSaxMan]

Powderman,

The pope also is striking a high fever due to a urinary tract infection. I'm thinking that sadly he won't be long for this earth and that he won't have to starve to death. From what it sounds like, all his systems are starting to fail. God bless him :cry: .  

[Robert]

Look guys...nobody said that any of this is easy.  And I hate to sound calous.  This stuff probably strikes a lot of people very deep..especially if you have loved ones that are ill.  God bless all of you..and guide you all with hard decisions.

[Nightrain52]

The only thing I would like to say is thank God the circus is over. I am sure Terry is in heaven now and she will suffer no longer. I have many mixed feelings and emotions about all this and over the next few weeks I hope to get them sorted out. There were no winners in this case. We all lost. Polititions and judges should not be playing God as we are all His children. We must learn from our mistakes. The last 5 or 6 years have really been a rocky road for America. The first Trade Center bombing, The U S S Cole, the second Trade Center bombing, Afghanistan, Iraq Elian Gonzales, and Terry Schavio have combined to try to pull this country apart. We need to do whatever we can to pull this country back together again, to stand tall and united as one. I can only hope we can heal as a Nation and get back to caring about our fellow man and try to put our differences aside for the sake of our country.

[jh45gun]

Just read that the Pope had suffered Heart failure so it does not look good. Jim

[williamlayton]

TWO VERY IMPORTANT THINGS HERE !!
Now now one here has any idea of her spiritual condition at death--I pray she was a converted soul-I do not know.
There are some differences in opinion as to what to do when circumstances like this are presented. It is all opinion folks, to go condemning others for making a legal decision is really, really very NOT THINKING.
I can promise this is before the Lord and HE had made a decision on this without any consultation from any here or anywhere.
Blessings

[Dali Llama]

thank God the circus is over

AMEN, say Dali Llama.

[FWiedner]

I read today where the pope had a feeding tube inserted in his nose because he cant swallow, eat or drink, uhhhhh like Teri. He couldn't even talk, uhhhhhh, like Teri. He can't even walk, uhhh, like Teri. He's old too, guess he'll never get back to what some would consider a quality life, should he be starved to death too? After all, what are his chances at his age of ever getting back to having a REAL life ?? POWDERMAN.

Guess what else he's probably going to do, uhhhhhh, like Terri?

 

[Leftoverdj]

No matter the case, once a feeding tube is inserted it should not be removed. I've cared for residents who by stroke or whatever, are literally trapped inside their body. They look at you, follow you (with their eyes) and on a rare, but wonderful occasion, smile! What a feeling that gives!
Residents in late stages of whatever dementia are spoon fed every meal, every day, should that be stopped, too?

Deb, think this through. Why should the decision to die be made before the outcome is known? What is gained by forcing someone to forgo possible recovery or risk being force fed for life? My advance directive includes the instruction that I am not to be put on anythng that I cannot be taken off of.

My directive also contains an instruction against any form of care in the event of permanent mental incapacity. If I am so far gone that  I must be spoon fed, let me go.

Those are my choices. I would not presume to make them others without their request, and I am furious that strangers feel that they can make my choices for me.

[Dali Llama]

I read today where the pope had a feeding tube inserted in his nose because he cant swallow, eat or drink, uhhhhh like Teri. He couldn't even talk, uhhhhhh, like Teri. He can't even walk, uhhh, like Teri. He's old too, guess he'll never get back to what some would consider a quality life, should he be starved to death too? After all, what are his chances at his age of ever getting back to having a REAL life ?? POWDERMAN.

Guess what else he's probably going to do, uhhhhhh, like Terri?

 

What, die, ask Dali Llama? :?  :?  :?

[JPSaxMan]

I read today where the pope had a feeding tube inserted in his nose because he cant swallow, eat or drink, uhhhhh like Teri. He couldn't even talk, uhhhhhh, like Teri. He can't even walk, uhhh, like Teri. He's old too, guess he'll never get back to what some would consider a quality life, should he be starved to death too? After all, what are his chances at his age of ever getting back to having a REAL life ?? POWDERMAN.

Guess what else he's probably going to do, uhhhhhh, like Terri?

 

What, die, ask Dali Llama? :?  :?  :?

Dali,

If you haven't been keeping up on the news the pope is slipping. He's had a heart problem and now his kidneys and I think now his lungs are failing. Don't quote me on the lungs part. I don't think he'll be with us much longer.  :cry:  I think we all need to say a prayer for this great man. Let the Lord take him home.  

[Haywire Haywood]

Oh no, we gotta put him on a heart-lung-dialysis-catheter-poop scooper  machine, life is precious and we gotta keep him from dying... We'll leave him laying there in his own drool for 7 years and then drag it through courts for the next 7.. then after the politicians and special interest groups get all the publicity they can out of him, then and only then will we really let him die.

Sorry, that was mean and insensative, but I just had to get that out, was killing me.  :-D :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:  :-D

Ian

[Don Fischer]

There is one good side of this thing with the Pope. Unlike Terri, we won't get 15 yrs to say goodby. Out of this life and on to the next, Im sure he look's forward to it. God's speed!

[JPSaxMan]

Uh oh. You just insulted the man of God. SIN ON YOU!  

Just kidding. I don't think you insulted him. But if it were anybody else, that's what I'm sure they'd do.  

[powderman]

Oh no, we gotta put him on a heart-lung-dialysis-catheter-poop scooper  machine, life is precious and we gotta keep him from dying... We'll leave him laying there in his own drool for 7 years and then drag it through courts for the next 7.. then after the politicians and special interest groups get all the publicity they can out of him, then and only then will we really let him die.

Sorry, that was mean and insensative, but I just had to get that out, was killing me.  :-D :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:  :-D

Ian

You may live in KY but I believe you must be a transplant from new york, or califoria, certainly not a real Kentuckian, uhhhh,unless you are a dumcrap. POWDERMAN.  :?  :?  :?  :?  :?  :?  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:

[JPSaxMan]

Powderman, that wasn't very nice. He was only kidding ya kno :?  :evil:

[daddywpb]

The pope was able to leave the hospital and return to the vatican to "die in his own bed". Funny how the religious wackos have been getting arrested to make sure that Terry didn't have that same option - to die with dignity.

[Haywire Haywood]

Hmmm... name calling and personal attacks...  Yer colors are showing Powderman..   that'll be 50 hail Marys and 30 lashes with a wet noodle for you mister.  :grin:

Sorry you took it so personally, and I'm from Georgia originally, a little deeper into Dixie than Kentucky.

Ian

[JPSaxMan]

Hmmm... name calling and personal attacks...  Yer colors are showing Powderman

Most definetely. And from what I understand that is AGAINST GBO policy. Last I checked repeated offenses resulted in deactivation?[/i]