Author Topic: Huglu Doubles - Any Experience with them??? (Read 3384 times)

Greybeard · « **on:** April 01, 2005, 01:49:42 AM »

Anyone own a Huglu double or have any experience with them? They are now being imported into the US by CZ-USA. I have my dealer trying to get me a price on a .410 SxS double but I have some interest in one of their 28 ga. O/Us also.

I saw a .410 SxS double at the gunshow a couple weeks back and really liked it. But it was priced at what I felt was about $200-$250 more than it should really cost. When I asked my dealer he agreed he thought they should sell about that much less but he couldn't quote me a firm price until he can get in touch with the rep from CZ-USA to find out what it's gonna cost him. Apparently making contact with the rep isn't so easy as he still hasn't got a price for me.

I've seen a write up by Barness on the little SxS doubles and he is quite high on them. After holding the one at the gunshow I can see why. NICE!

Here is the SxS Double:

It's available in 12, 20, 28 and .410. They also have a different one with pistol grip stock. The straight grip is a BobWhite and the pistol grip model is called a Ringneck.

Here is the O/U: It's called a Woodcock.

Don Fischer · « **Reply #1 on:** April 01, 2005, 06:48:14 AM »

Nice looking double. Getting used to the double trigger's take's some getting used to but I loved mine. Had them on a Bernadelli years ago and a Charles Daly my son somehow got from me. Use a single trigger 16 ga AyA now. Also have a 28 ga AyA but never ue it. Love that 16!

Ramrod · « **Reply #2 on:** April 01, 2005, 12:30:07 PM »

Haven't seen one yet, except on the CZ website. As far as price, the bigger outfits like Gander Mountain, or Bass Pro can easily sell these for $100-$150 less than the MSRP. And when you factor in the Turkish walnut stock, and hand engraving, it looks like a bargain. And a 28 on a 28 size frame? I'm definately leaving the credit card home when I go to the next gun show around here in a couple of weeks.
Don, I never had any trouble switching back and forth from a single to a double trigger, I think a straight grip on the double kind of helps it become an instinctive move.

jason burns · « **Reply #3 on:** April 01, 2005, 03:35:28 PM »

I got to handle these today! Talk about a nice shotgun! I was really impressed with it and got to look at the .410 and the 20. They are sized really well and the .410 is tiny with a VERY slim receiver and is light as a feather. I am trying to figure out a way that I could land one in 20!

Graybeard · « **Reply #4 on:** April 01, 2005, 05:49:38 PM »

What kinda price was on them Jason?

The .410 I held at the gunshow awhile back was from before CZ got involved. I think it was priced at $795 but I'd not want to bet the farm on it. I didn't try to negoitate with him for a lower price.

I'm pretty sure in the article by Barness on them I recall actually selling prices of under $600 but then I've been wrong before. My FFL guy will sell to me as cheaply as anyone can. No one is gonna be buying these things in quantity I don't think and my guy will take the smallest profit of any dealer I'm aware of. Especially in dealing with me as I buy a LOT of guns from him.

These are really nice well made guns and I suspect I'll wind up with both the SxS .410 and the O/U 28 when Steve contacts the CZ guy and gets me the prices.

George Foster · « **Reply #5 on:** April 02, 2005, 12:10:57 AM »

Graybeard,

The Pheasant Huglu goes for $600 in my area, I don't know about the Bobwhite.

Don Fischer · « **Reply #6 on:** April 02, 2005, 04:07:11 AM »

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Don, I never had any trouble switching back and forth from a single to a double trigger, I think a straight grip on the double kind of helps it become an instinctive move./quote]

Ramrod the straight grip is a help, they're great. I don't recall what trouble I had but, now and again I'd let someone else use one that was used to single trigger and they had a hard time thinking second trigger when shooting.

jason burns · « **Reply #7 on:** April 02, 2005, 05:26:37 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard

What kinda price was on them Jason?

The shop I was at is a pricey one . . . they had the 20 gauge for $799 and the .410 for $999!!! :eek: I did some checking on the internet and found that I ought to be able to get the 20 at least $100 cheaper than that . . . even off gunbroker. If you hear of a price a good bit cheaper and your FFL is willing to ship please let me know. I am trying to unload my old traditional archery stuff to finance one! (Blew my back out and cannot pull my longbow anymore.) I have wanted a nice little SxS 20 for as long as I can rememeber and there just have not been any decent ones available in this price range.

Graybeard · « **Reply #8 on:** April 02, 2005, 06:24:59 AM »

My dealer has a really nice SxS 20 ga made in Spain and imported by BSA that I've been fondling and ogling for some while now but really the Huglu's are at least as nice if not more so and for less money. In their price range I think they are going to be hard to beat.

I won't say I have no trouble with the double triggers but I do OK with them. Not sure it will ever really become second nature to me as their have been too many hundreds of thousands of rounds fired in guns with single triggers to retrain myself unless I switched to them completely and that's not likely to ever happen.

I have a Stoeger 20 ga. Uplander with double triggers and straight grip and I shoot it pretty well. But it's a bit less graceful than the nicer guns like the BSA imports and the Huglu. Weatherby has a really nice one but the price reflects it as does the one imported by Kimber.

dave375hh · « **Reply #9 on:** April 04, 2005, 04:48:35 AM »

Huglu's are selling under the name DeHaan now. DeHaan made some custom shotguns before and now seems to be the importer for Huglu. I've shot a 28 ga. SXS that my friend bought . Other than shooting a little flat(for skeet) it was really nice for the price. His was an upscale grade with nickled & engraved reciever & nice wood, for about a grand.

Graybeard · « **Reply #10 on:** April 04, 2005, 06:42:57 PM »

I only recently found out about the Dehaan guns. But I think that is now history. I believe CZ has an exclusive with Huglu now and that Dehaan is out of the picture. Not positive of that but I think it's the case.

wallingdad · « **Reply #11 on:** April 06, 2005, 01:25:17 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard

I only recently found out about the Dehaan guns. But I think that is now history. I believe CZ has an exclusive with Huglu now and that Dehaan is out of the picture. Not positive of that but I think it's the case.

who makes the shotguns for DeHaan now? they have a big one page ad in this month's "shooting sportsman" magazine. the picture looks good (of course)

Greybeard · « **Reply #12 on:** April 06, 2005, 01:52:34 AM »

I don't honestly know the answer to that question. As I said I only recently heard of them and now that CZ has supposedly gotten a sole distribution contract with Huglu I don't see how Dehaan can keep getting them. I'm sure a phone call to Dehaan would clear the matter up. I'd like to see them keep the line and both them and CZ import them as there are enough differences in what they are importing and the standard Huglu line to make both viable.

wallingdad · « **Reply #13 on:** April 06, 2005, 02:41:20 AM »

Quote from: Greybeard

I don't honestly know the answer to that question. As I said I only recently heard of them and now that CZ has supposedly gotten a sole distribution contract with Huglu I don't see how Dehaan can keep getting them. I'm sure a phone call to Dehaan would clear the matter up. I'd like to see them keep the line and both them and CZ import them as there are enough differences in what they are importing and the standard Huglu line to make both viable.

thanks Graybeard! i have been looking at dehaan. i wanted to get a 28 gauge o/u (u1 or u2) to play with. the weight that they advertise is wonderful (about 6 lbs for the 28 guage).

dawei · « **Reply #14 on:** April 06, 2005, 04:16:39 AM »

Quote from: Greybeard

I don't honestly know the answer to that question. As I said I only recently heard of them and now that CZ has supposedly gotten a sole distribution contract with Huglu I don't see how Dehaan can keep getting them. I'm sure a phone call to Dehaan would clear the matter up. I'd like to see them keep the line and both them and CZ import them as there are enough differences in what they are importing and the standard Huglu line to make both viable.

Bill: this should help............

http://www.cz-usa.com/01.detail.php?id=60

http://www.cz-usa.com/01.detail.php?id=62

Mattkc · « **Reply #15 on:** April 10, 2005, 04:59:28 PM »

I was looking at a CZ 410 sxs at a gun show. Seemed to weigh more like 5.5 pounds rather then the advertised 4.7. I just couldn't bring myself to spend $800 on a Turkish gun. If the gun was $350 maybe but I found a nice Ithaca Flues 16ga sxs for $350 and picked it up. Let see $600 to $800 for a Turkish gun of unknow quality or $350 for a classic American double. If I was looking for a double from overseas I would checkout some Spanish or Italian guns for the same price range as the Turkish. Maybe I just don't like Turkish guns because I learned the hard way when I bought a Turkish copy of the PPK back in 1980. I took it to the range and put a few clips through it only 1-2 jams per clip but the real problem was it wasn't quite a copy they left out the hammer block. It had a hammer release lever though and when I dropped the hammer bam not once but 3 times full auto thank god it jammed on the third round. Took it back to the dealer and his gunsmith took it home to his basement range. To bad the gun didn't jam this time because he and his wife upstairs found out you can't hold a full auto PPK copy level.

popplecop · « **Reply #16 on:** April 11, 2005, 01:23:09 PM »

I picked up a Dehaan SO 1 12 ga. last year. I used it on waterfowl and pheasants last fall and it worked wonderful. Now I also picked up a 16 ga Flues and really like it, but that's comparing apples to oranges. Got to remember Flues can only handle low pressure ammo, my Hugulu will take any 3" or shorter 12s without a hitch. I do really like the Flues, but used only for clays and grouse.

myronman3 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 21, 2005, 01:24:46 PM »

found out about these tonight, then found this post. i think i am liking what i see. i was looking for an affordable double 410 and may have found it.
for those of you who have actually held one, how do they compare to the baikals? i think the baikals are turds. so i would hope they are lot better than those.
graybeard, your dealer ever get a price for you one these? i think i am going to have a hard time finding anyone who handles these up this way. i got a gun for sale now and when it goes, i am thinking this might be what i replace it with. now to decide between the sxs or o/u.

dougk · « **Reply #18 on:** April 21, 2005, 05:17:35 PM »

The wife has a Huglu O/U in 20 ga. It is now the CZ Canvasback. I don't have a price given it was part of a multi-gun trade. I traded a Beretta for several shotguns and a rifle. As part of the trade I picked up a SxS Stoeger I looked at the Huglu SxS double trigger and could not justify the extra money for a ranch shotgun.

The Huglu quality is great. The wood is high quality, the machining is excellent and the material appears to be high quality. I would pay double the price of the Stoeger for the Huglu if I where looking for a nice double barrel shotgun.

I only use double triggers on my shotguns. I like shooting both barrels at those dove, :-D I am only joking about shooting both barrels...

Doug

Greybeard · « **Reply #19 on:** April 21, 2005, 05:35:03 PM »

There is just no comparison between the Huglu and the Russian guns. It's night and day. The Huglu .410 I held at the gunshow that prompted this thread was NICE. Quality was obvious.

I've still not gotten a price on them. I'm not sure if the CZ guns have started flowing yet or not. But regardless the last time I spoke with my dealer the CZ rep had still not yet returned his phone calls so he hasn't gotten a price for me. I think the one at the gunshow which was pre-CZ was $795 but I was pretty sure that was too high. My dealer agreed but until he can get his cost on it he can't give me a price. He seemed to think he should be able to sell it to me at about $600 but won't know until he gets his cost on it.

mjbgalt · « **Reply #20 on:** April 21, 2005, 05:44:10 PM »

played with a Khan over and under at the gunshop today...in .410. damn nice little gun ad it was only about $300.

you guys seen that one yet? or is it an older one out for a while that i didnt see til now?

-Matt

dougk · « **Reply #21 on:** April 22, 2005, 01:19:39 PM »

There is/was a guy who took Huglu (pronounced hoooluuu) guns and would engrave them. I dont remember his name or what the price was.

I noticed looking at the CZ site that they no longer have a combo gun. So the Baikal does have its place in the low cost, take the abuse and still work combo market. Now as a Remington brand.....

I only wish Drilling man would give me a Valmet combo in double trigger......

Doug

ryback770 · « **Reply #22 on:** April 27, 2005, 03:19:49 AM »

see.. http://hatfield-usa.com/

I have several Huglus, great guns.

EYEMISSUM · « **Reply #23 on:** May 05, 2005, 07:06:01 AM »

Hi all,
New to this forum.
I'll give you an idea about the CZ O&U Redhead.
I purchased one about 3 weeks ago at Mace Sports in Mebane N.C.

I bought the Redhead .410, beautiful little gun, very impressed with the fit an finish. Built on a .410 frame, weighs 6 1/4 lbs. fixed chokes, IC an M.
28" barrels. Paid $630.00 plus tax, listed at $738.00 in the store.

Have had to send it back to CZ, the break down lever wouldn't stay over to the right when it was broke down, also, the front site was off center.

5 year warranty, so there shouldn't be any problem. Been gone 2 weeks now. they said it should be back in 2-4 weeks.

chupiw · « **Reply #24 on:** June 19, 2005, 05:24:08 AM »

These guns are great. I have shot about 20 to 30 of them. When I was in the military I spent 2 tours in Turkey, where they are well made. The Turks are pretty serious about shotgunning, and actually a shotgun is the only gun a citizen in that country can own, so they use shotguns a lot. The quality and workmanship are pretty good to outstanding in most cases. All of the guns I shot functioned realy well. If you can get one for a decent price jump on it. Some of the prices I am seeing now surprise me, If you knew how cheap us GI's were getting them from you might get sick to your stomach. The only problem I saw was their bluing didn't hold up as well as ours, but the wood on some of these guns was really nice. The balance and feel of some of the double shotguns would have to seen to be believed, very slim light and well balanced. A good friend of mine has a double 16Ga that has just the right pull and drop and handles like a dream. The fit and finish on this gun is very nice. You could do worse

beavdha · « **Reply #25 on:** July 21, 2005, 12:52:49 PM »

GB have you had any luck finding your shotgun yet? I've been looking at the CZ site and those sure are some nice shotguns. I have a CZ 452 special and it sure is an accurate 22. I would love to personally see the CZ shotguns and shoulder it to see how it feels. Any word on when they will be readily available?

Thanks

Don

Graybeard · « **Reply #26 on:** July 21, 2005, 04:35:39 PM »

The dealer ordered in a couple of them but neither was what I was wanting. He got the models with pistol grip stock and single trigger and I wanted the straight grip stock and double triggers. His price was way higher than I was expecting also. Still they do appear nicely made.

I might try to pick one up later but only if he can get me what I'm looking for and the price is gonna hafta be lower than he was asking for the ones he got in.

beavdha · « **Reply #27 on:** July 24, 2005, 11:30:15 AM »

GB,

I went to the base rod and gun club today to see what the cost is for the bobwhite - for the 12 and 20 they are $558.33 that is with their 11% mark up the 28 and .410 are $708.74 that is with their 11% mark up. This came from the Jerry's Sport Center Flyer - Dealer cost $503.00 and $638.50 respectively.

Is that about the same cost that you have seen?

Oh I did look on their bulletin board and found a 16 ga SXS Ugartechea model 645E XXV for sale - went and looked at it. It was really nice looking and only had 17 shells fired through it - so says the gentleman I bought it from. He had bought it for his son to use and his son moved to France - he didn't need it anymore - He paid $819.00 for it about 5 years ago - I got it for 500.00. It's got a straight grip, double triggers - splinter forearm - silver coin finish and some engraving on it. Nice looking wood stock too. Now if I can only figure out what it is choked at. I'm hoping it's IC/M. The paperwork that came with it is in Spanish - I think? LOL! It did say Parker Hale model 600 series.
I'm still looking at the CZ though - trying to figure if I want the 28 gauage now instead of the 20 ga. since buying this 16 ga.
Hope this gun shoots where I look.

Graybeard · « **Reply #28 on:** July 24, 2005, 11:57:08 AM »

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GB,

I went to the base rod and gun club today to see what the cost is for the bobwhite - for the 12 and 20 they are $558.33 that is with their 11% mark up the 28 and .410 are $708.74 that is with their 11% mark up. This came from the Jerry's Sport Center Flyer - Dealer cost $503.00 and $638.50 respectively.

Is that about the same cost that you have seen?

That's about what I expected them to cost. But the guy wanted $850 on them when the list is only about $869 I think. I'm NOT gonna pay $850 for one. He is the same guy who has ordered and sold FA revolvers for $100 over cost. If cost really is only $638.50 I should be able to get it for under $750 and ain't paying more. Not for what will basically be a toy to play with on rare occasions not a real working gun.

The 28s are really nice. My favorite skeet gauge by far. Back in the day when I was still shooting competition I used my 28 for all 20 ga targets cuz I actually shoot a 28 better than a 20. I used it in 12 ga a lot also as my average with the 28 was only one target behind my 12 gauge average and it was oh so much nicer to shoot.

beavdha · « **Reply #29 on:** August 20, 2005, 12:37:06 PM »

Well I went to the Grand American Trap shoot in Vandalia today and picked up a Huglu .410 SXS it is different than the CZ in that the line the vendor was carrying they all had engraving on the receivers and he had only 28 and 410. Since I picked up a 16 ga SXS straight stock Ugartchea three weeks ago - I figured I might as well get a "fun" gun. It cost me 850.00 but I also got a take-down hard gun case with it. The grip is a pistol grip/single trigger - blued receiver - I was looking hard at the silver ones - but figured I got that on the 16ga, don't need two guns like that. The wood to metal fit is excellent. Very light even with 30" barrells and they are choked Mod/Mod in both barrels. They had some choked Mod/Full and the 28" barrels were choked IC/Mod - but I didn't like the rib on the 28" barrels - pretty wavy on several of those. Mostly the waves were up and down - not side to side. You would think they could mill the rib to get a smoother plane - but I'm happy with what I got. I plan on hunting squirrels and rabbits and the occasional Skeet clay pigeons. Who knows, if it's a shooter - I may try a few doves with it.

If the CZ is anything like the Huglu that I bought fit and finish wise - I may have to go for a 20 ga - bobwhite with the straight grip. I like the straight grip on my 16 and would like a 20 ga as well.

Greybeard - you better get one - they are pretty nice guns.