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Offline BUGEYE

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« on: April 01, 2005, 03:56:00 AM »
Back in the late 70s or early 80s, I read an article about the ceremony that some of the eastern indians went through before a big hunt and one of the things they did to purify themselvs was to abstain from meat for about a week and sit in the smoke of the campfire.  the auther told how he had stopped eating meat for about 10 days and then make sure that he and his clothes were clean, then went out and sat upwind of a deer crossing. he said that when the deer hit his scent stream, they would throw up their heads for a minute, then go on about their business.
with no meat in our systems, do we smell friendly??
my daughter and I (TamaleDolly) are going to try this in Oct. of this year.
has anyone else heard of this??
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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2005, 02:46:31 PM »
Vegetarians should make good hunters?  :eek:  :wink:  :)

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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2005, 04:36:33 PM »
I may be way mistaken here, but... I believe the reason they stopped eating meat was religious.  The gods tended to be less generous with succesfuls hunts if the hunters already had plenty of meat.
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2005, 07:50:30 PM »
Quote from: BUGEYE
Back in the late 70s or early 80s, I read an article about the ceremony that some of the eastern indians went through before a big hunt and one of the things they did to purify themselvs was to abstain from meat for about a week and sit in the smoke of the campfire.  the auther told how he had stopped eating meat for about 10 days and then make sure that he and his clothes were clean, then went out and sat upwind of a deer crossing. he said that when the deer hit his scent stream, they would throw up their heads for a minute, then go on about their business.
with no meat in our systems, do we smell friendly??
my daughter and I (TamaleDolly) are going to try this in Oct. of this year.
has anyone else heard of this??


There were many eastern tribes, and I'd think you'd need to pick a specific one and a specific timeframe before you could hope to get an accurate answer. That said, and with all respect to whoever wrote that, I sincerely doubt it's true. I'm more familiar with the Cherokee and Muscogulge (Creek), and for them hunting was pretty much a daily activity during most of the year. They had other mouths to feed and dried meat to put back for winter, and most of their income for trade came from the deerskins they harvested. There simply wasn't time for a ten day fast before doing something as common as hunting, it would be a financially poor Indian that wasted that much time. They did at times fast briefly before warfare, and normally carried very minimal rations on raids.

There was a book written some years back on Ishi, the "last" of the Yahi tribe in northern California, and he told of fasting for three days (if I remember right) before a hunt. Ishi was on his own, though, and was moreso foraging for a meager existence than leading a normal life. Fasting may have not been altogether his idea.  :wink:  It may be this reference that you remember, or that was recounted by your source.

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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2005, 02:51:44 AM »
I used to work with a bow hunter that swore up and down about not eating meat before opening day.  He would actually start about 6-8 weeks out to really make sure the "predator smell" was out of his system.  He wouldn't do the campfire smoke thing but he'd bury his clothes in his backyard (not in bags or anything like that, just in the dirt) about 4 days before the hunt and dig them up the night before.

He did this for years but never had animals come close enough to see if it worked.  Then one year he had a nice buck coming down the trail that spooked and he was sure the buck had winded him.

Last I knew, he was still using this system and we came to the conclusion that weather it worked or not, it sure couldn't hurt anything.

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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2005, 06:05:03 AM »
I did the vegetarian purge in the 1980's  thinking I could change my smell during bowhunting.  I found that what was spooking the deer was my "city smell", and not paying attention to the wind.  I think I get better results from non UV detergents, and nuetralizing skin acids with baking soda and water.  Washing your watchband, having a hunting only wallet, and boots will help too. :D
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2005, 08:21:31 AM »
Perhaps one of the things that warns prey of a nearby predator is the odor given off by butyric (old name) or butanoic acid.  This is a chemical compound that is generated in the body as part of the digestion and breakdown of animal tissue, particularly fats.  A person secrete this organic acid in their perspiration and noses unaccustomed to smelling it daily are very sensitive to it.

Just a bit of biochemistry . . .  :-)
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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2005, 09:47:38 AM »
Good explaination, thank you! :D
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2005, 11:44:40 AM »
I have an unproven theory that if you're upwind of a deer, he'll spook, I don't care whether you've purged and squeaky clean, or you smell like a harlot's purse. I know a couple of hunters who smoke in the woods and almost always connect with a big buck - one smokes a pipe. Needless to say, they're both "good in the woods".  :grin:

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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2005, 08:29:01 AM »
I have seen that too.  What's up with that??  I knew an old gent who smoked a rich black cherry blend, and arroed some fine bucks, sometimes without setting his pipe down... :?
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2005, 08:52:50 AM »
I quit eating meat for a week once, went out in the woodlot and a damn buck tried to mate with me. All scratched up I headed for home and was approached by two PETA members looking for a donation, and recieved three flyers from Greenpeace that very day. I cooked up a pound of high fat hamburger and have never looked back. :lol:

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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2006, 01:16:16 AM »
Quote from: Shorty
Vegetarians should make good hunters?  :eek:  :wink:  :)


I always thought "Vegetarian" was the Indian word for " BAD SHOT"!

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« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2006, 01:28:28 AM »
On a more serious note, I used to hunt with a guy that doused himself in a floral scent womens perfume. To my knowledge he never failed to connect on opening morning. If you ever tried to grow flowers near a large deer population you will see the logic quicker.

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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2006, 03:41:15 PM »
I only stop eating meat for one reason - sleep! :-D  :-D
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2006, 02:58:15 AM »
I think the smell comes from body fat, and that takes a long time to change.  When I was working overseas and eating local chinese food, I noticed a change in body ordor, but it was a few months after I was there that I noticed the change.
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