Author Topic: NEW Range Report!!! (Read 1128 times)

quickdtoo · « **on:** April 02, 2005, 01:45:49 PM »

Man, I'm pumped!!! Spent the day from 9am to 2:30pm at the range shooting the .223 Ultra Varmint, .204 Ruger Ultra Varmint, .45-70 Mannlicher Handi, 7x64 Brenneke and the 30-06 UltraComp.....Mac wasn't just blowing smoke when he said the 30-06 UltraComp is a shooter, not only does it not kick with its compensated barrel, but the muzzle jump is almost non existent and it's extremely accurate with the right load which I have found!!! Shooting 200gr Nosler partitions on top of a healthy dose of Reloader 22, I shot a .413" center to center 3 shot group at 100yds!!! :eek: The recoil is less than the 7x64 Brenneke with 160gr Nosler partitions, so Mac wasn't kidding about the recoil, at all, what a sweet shooter!!!

The Brenneke proved to be almost as accurate with IMR7828, but as I got to the peak of my load ladder, the scope started slipping in the rings and I had to quit. The first 2 shots were .391" center to center, then when I cocked the hammer on the the 3rd round, the hammer hit the scope, so I knew I had a problem....didn't have the torx screwdriver for the ring cap screws with me, so I had to quit with the Brenneke, but it's looking good, so far.

Also shot the .223 Ultra Varmint with both 45gr JHP win white box which shot the usual 1/2"(.481") groups at 100yds and tried a box of BlackHills 52gr Match HP, that shot almost as good.

The .204 Ruger shot the 32gr Vmax the best with 3/4" groups at 100yds, it didn't like the 34gr HSM ammo at all with 2" groups.

The 45-70 mannlicher stocked Handi with the Williams ramp rear sight and firesight front sight was shooting terrible with the 28gr 2400/350gr Hornady loads that shot so well in my other .45-70 Handi, but the sight height appears to be perfect. But it may not be the load, the mannlicher forend is tight in the right side and has a gap on the left side, so I think I'll fix that before I tried any more shooting with it.

All in all it was a pretty productive day at the range!!

EDITED: to correct measurements and add second pic. I changed my measurement method, instead of measuring ctc, I measured the outside size, then subtracted the bullet diameter. :wink:

gwhilikerz · « **Reply #1 on:** April 02, 2005, 02:50:18 PM »

A day at the range is a psychological enema, it gets rid of all the crap that fogs our minds :grin:

Fred M · « **Reply #2 on:** April 02, 2005, 03:03:40 PM »

Quick.
Good accuracy and of course you are using the right kind of powder. Handis like that slow stuff. What about the noise from that comp???

Just had a hearing test, should really stay away from guns. Ear plugs and earmuffs together is what I use on the range.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #3 on:** April 02, 2005, 03:12:36 PM »

Huh, what did you say?

Noise isn't bad shooting it wearing the Silencio Rangesafes for me, but the shooter next to me mentioned the blast and asked if I was shooting hot loads, we were both shooting in baffled shooting stations, but he was shooting a 300 win mag black rifle that looked like a military rifle, had one of the those T-shaped muzzle brakes that has 2 double rectanglular angled ports, his really rocked me even with the baffles between shooting stations.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 02, 2005, 03:58:46 PM »

Great Shooting Tim:

Now if that De-Resonator will shrink your groups by 1/2 :wink: :wink:...Seriously...I'm glad you like the gun...it's what makes it fun swapping and trading & sellin the fun part...seeing what others can do...I knew those partitions was the right bullet for ya. and it looks like you got your Elk load all worked out for it.. that's

...and I'm glad the Re-loader 22 worked out.I was pretty sure it was the best for the job and had just picked up a lb. of it before shipping the rifle off to ya...all of this..gives me (correction) all of us whose getting one of these barrels something to ...shoot for???...He-He...

you really got to make a list ...next time you go over to the range... of stuff to take a-long... :wink:.....

I got a box of those 130 Triple Shocks waiting to get loaded....hopefully it won't be too long before the barrels are fitted...cause I'm real anxious to get it back...and start loaading for it...can't even try out the 25-06 since that was my frame I sent in...no-dies yet for the 30-30...heck...I haven't even got DJ's bullets he sent me ready to go...guess I'm going to have to bid on some or at-least go buy some just so I can go shooting...

It's really pretty cool the way the comp on these works...and it's not any louder to the person shooting the rifle as any other loads...just to the folks standing...or in your case shooting near ya...some folks tend to shy away from one of the better barrels they offered because of them...and that's a real shame...they'll never know what their missing...

Mac

Fred M · « **Reply #5 on:** April 02, 2005, 04:08:42 PM »

Quick.
When someone shows up on the range with a muzzle break, I go into the club house until he is done shooting.

I wont shoot skeet with anyone that has a ported skeet gun, I am not alone with this attitude.

The blast even hurts me with ear protection. Myself I shoot a 20g O/U with 28g loads to get away from extra muzzle blast.

With a rifle if I can't stand the recoil of a certain gun, I just use one with less recoil. Over the years my calibers have been getting smaller all the time. That 7x64 Brenecke is a good caliber and is not abusive.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #6 on:** April 02, 2005, 04:08:53 PM »

Mac, Sorry I forgot the De-resonator, was making sure I had everything, made one last trip to the shooting room to get a rod...just in case I had a stuck case, was going to get the De-resonator too, forgot it by the time I retrieved the rod....Old timers CRS strikes again!! I'll be going to the range again next wednesday, I think.....it's already in my shootin box!!!

Mac11700 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 02, 2005, 05:40:46 PM »

Fred...the way the ports are on the ultra-comp...direct everything straight out sideways up and down...not rearward in anyway...those that are behind really don't get the blast from these like a-lot of those on the market give ya...they are quieter than the Boss system...and..and even the Marlins ported guide gun work that way...that's who did them for them by the way...except these will come off the Marlins can't... and you can add sleeve or the adjustable type... that one can turn on and off as needed can be installed.....so...as long as you aren't directly off to one side or the other...it really isn't too bad...

Mac

Fred M · « **Reply #8 on:** April 02, 2005, 07:16:27 PM »

Mac.
Thanks for the explanation. I like to believe of what you are saying.
For sure some muzzle breaks are less blasty, for lack of a better word blasty is as good as any. Blasty is not in the dictionary

I have two friends that have muzzle breaks, one has a Vais on a 6.5.x55 it is supposed to be one of the best on the market. The other one is on a 340Wby and is removable, that one is custom made by a gunsmith in Kamloops. Yes both reduce recoil very well, I tried both.

Either one will blast your ears unless you wear double protection like I do.
I might be overly sensitive to this muzzle blast from breaks or compensators. Sound is not only transmitted through the ears but also through the skull bone.

I rather shoot a lesser gun than a have a muzzle break. The removable one is another pain because it won't shoot to same place when the break is removed. The guy is forever resighting from break to non break, it's not practical to wear ear-muffs while hunting.

The trouble he also has is when he looks for an accurate load. The grouping of his rifle is never the same either with the break off or on. Lately he has been shooting with out the break. Mind you that is just one rifle. But I have heard this from other shooter with removable breaks, and it makes sense.

When goose hunting I wear a set of Game-Ears, they are electronic ear muffs with a very high tech audio system. With them I can hear geese coming more than a mile away. But when you fire the gun they cut out anything over 80db. They are great in a blind with two or three shooters.
We all shoot big 3" mags 12g HV steel and they are petty noisy.
No place for a Cuts compensator or what have you in a goose blind.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #9 on:** April 02, 2005, 07:29:18 PM »

Fred, the UltraComp was no louder to me than the unported 7x64 Brenneke with the same length barrel, 24".....can't say the same for the fella shooting next to me, though! :eek: I also shot both on the upper 100yd range to get on paper at 25yds, there was a rimfire shooter setting 2 tables away from me and I asked him to let me know if the muzzle blast bothered him as I didn't want to hurt anyone, he said the blast was no different than any other 30-06 that he has heard near him, so I'm assuming the muzzle blast of the compensated barrel would only bother those to the immediate side of the rifle position.

Fred M · « **Reply #10 on:** April 02, 2005, 08:03:59 PM »

Quick and Mac.
I guess you have a good system. My sounds are sounding off. I have not
been near any compensators lately so I take your word for it. Really if you like them and can live with them, then that is all that counts.

I suppose it has a lot to do with the amount of leftover gas that escapes from the barrel. A lower density cartridge like an 06 would have a lot less high pressure gas escaping compared to a big magnum. So the blast is considerable less. If that makes any sense?

Mac11700 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 03, 2005, 06:03:46 AM »

Fred...yep...I understand what your saying...one of the things that make a muzzle brake work is a-lot of unused gas volume...and the big magnums have plenty of that...when Marlin developed the dimensions for the ports...thier goal was to reduce muzzle climb for the 1895 Guide-Guns...and they succeeded wonderfully...and the problem they had was everyone was complaining about how loud it was...and it was when some folks shot them with their handloads.. take a 18.5" barrel with a stuffed 45-70...with folks trying their best to turn them into 458 Winchesters...they were loud...I know...I had one. standard loads weren't bad at all.....and what I found out was it reduced the muzzle climb by 75% and recoil of the heavy loads by almost as much...but for the few folks who refused to wear ear protection or those who would shoot in a completly enclosed shooting area...the sound was brutal...also...some of the ports were rough...and it caused some of the oversized cast bullets to spit lead out...both cases it was shooter error and not the fault of the gun...but...Marlin decieded that the risk of liability was too great and it went away...so-too for the ultra-comp...when I was shooting Quicks ultra-comp...some of the ones complaing the most were guys shooting un-ported magnums...they didn't like getting a taste of their own medicine coming back to them...one good thing about them...it will make folks wear hearing protection even if they are just bystanders...and that is a good thing...so many times I see people standing around without earplugs in watching people shoot...

Mac

Fred M · « **Reply #12 on:** April 03, 2005, 06:42:25 AM »

Thanks Mac.
The national safety advisory board says that noise pollution is one of the greatest safety hazards. The implications are mind boggling when quality of life is addressed. I read quite about that, only after most of the damage was done.

Nuttinbutchunks · « **Reply #13 on:** April 03, 2005, 01:25:03 PM »

Nice groups Quick.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #14 on:** April 03, 2005, 04:04:26 PM »

Thanks!! :wink:

targetguy · « **Reply #15 on:** April 06, 2005, 12:01:28 PM »

You should hear/feel the blast from a 50BMG! Its horrible

aulrich · « **Reply #16 on:** April 07, 2005, 06:52:00 AM »

Quick was the 204 factory or handloads. I have pickup some bl-c(2) as you had suggested in another thread. With any luck i'll get out this weekend to try them out. When you talk about your "load ladder" do you mean max-10% then up to max by x grains. Does x=.2 grains and does that change with cartridge.

Definition of pain - Shooting my ported 338 without protection

fish280 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 07, 2005, 07:06:35 AM »

i'm thinking those'll do, those'll do.
i know of an as-new in box 7x64 brenneke with two boxes of ammo for $240.
i'll pass along the vname of the store and # via pm if anyone's interested. i have no stake in it. but i hate to see such a rifle homeless. it has a running mate in 7mm-08.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #18 on:** April 07, 2005, 07:27:47 AM »

My "load ladder" is max-10% then up in .5gr increments until I reach within 1gr of max, then I go in .2gr increments, but in the only one that I've done so far, the 30-06, got great accuracy long before I got to within 1gr of max. The .204 ammo is all factory, haven't shot any handloads yet.....but I'm keeping the brass!!!