Author Topic: Hanoi Jane on 60 Minutes (Read 1957 times)

Mac11700 · « **on:** April 03, 2005, 06:57:01 PM »

Anyone catch Hanoi Jane on Sundays 60 Minutes...she actually said it was bad judgement on her part for being a traitor..then went on to defend the rest of her actions....sheees...what a load of BS that was... :bye:

Mac

jh45gun · « **Reply #1 on:** April 03, 2005, 07:06:29 PM »

Nope did not see it as far as I am concerned some one should have hanged her years ago!

williamlayton · « **Reply #2 on:** April 04, 2005, 01:47:40 AM »

I saw it. I did not come away with the same thoughts as you.
I thought she was being pretty open and honest. She did not defend what she did, she did say why, she did say she made a mistake doing it.
Ms. Fonda has done all she can do, over the last few years, too admit mistakes, ask for forgiveness and apologize.
None of us can put ourselves up to a microscope without faults, sins, misguided actions, poor thinking, wrong actions and worse clouding the microscope.
Let the woman rest.
Blessings

jh45gun · « **Reply #3 on:** April 04, 2005, 02:36:45 AM »

Kinda hard to forgive some one who's actions just gave the Veitcong more propaganda to prolong their fight while young Americans were dying. I feel the Same about Kerry his actions after he came home for a service man was disgusting and if not treasonous damn close to it. HJ was no better. I graduated in 1970 so I saw every thing that was going on compared to maybe some of the younger folks who would not remember. They would not take me because of a physical problem or I would have went my draft number was low enough so even though I did not go I sure watched what went on at home. I have a extreme dislike for protesters wether it be anti war, anti gun, or tree huggers or animal activist, Madd mothers really do not impress me either.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 04, 2005, 05:39:06 AM »

Quote from: williamlayton

I saw it. I did not come away with the same thoughts as you.
I thought she was being pretty open and honest. She did not defend what she did, she did say why, she did say she made a mistake doing it.
Ms. Fonda has done all she can do, over the last few years, too admit mistakes, ask for forgiveness and apologize.
None of us can put ourselves up to a microscope without faults, sins, misguided actions, poor thinking, wrong actions and worse clouding the microscope.
Let the woman rest.
Blessings

Wasn't you listening when she defended her "interrogations" of the VC prisoners?

? She actually had the gaul to say we were doing the same to to the ones that were our prisoners. so that made it alright....come-on give me a break.....She was defending her actions...her reason..." Americans are dying over there"...she still don't get it...and her kind never will...her problem is she's trying to ease her guilt in her old age...guess what...that will never happen...and as far as I'm concerned ...she was a traitor then to this nation...and she still is...she's never totally accepted that she did wrong... her " Lack of judgement"...my butt...she new durn well what she was doing...she just had to stay in that Hollywood spot light. to satisfy her and her anti-war preaching husbands self-serving ego.....she didn't give a tinkers Da** for our soldiers who were being paraded out and then tortured afterwards... 8 times she went on Radio Hanoi...to try to persuade our troops from doing their duty.....if it would have been a declared war...she would have been tried and imprisoned for her actions...The American people should spit in her face...and not forgive her...most Vietnam Vets would...if given the chance...

Mac

Robert · « **Reply #5 on:** April 04, 2005, 05:50:45 AM »

She should do the honorable thing, click, bang.... her forgiveness is between herself and her God.....not me.

ajj · « **Reply #6 on:** April 04, 2005, 06:29:54 AM »

My wife watches 60 Minutes despite all my protestations so I saw this one. I know that's a weak copout and have to admit I was curious. Did you notice that what JF was actually doing was shilling her new book? That's what this was all about. One of the most pathetic things I've ever seen on TV and that's saying something. The advice to forgive and forget is not only kind, it's wise. This is not, and never was, a person of consequence. Another reminder that I should have followed my own oft-repeated advice: DON'T WATCH TV. IT'S BAD FOR YOU.

Don Fischer · « **Reply #7 on:** April 04, 2005, 06:45:30 AM »

One of my best friend's in high school was a guy named Wayne Middleton. We went to North Babylon senior high in North Babylon, N.Y.
That school is now called Wayne Middleton High School. Yea sure, I forgive you Jane. :evil:

The bad part of it is, Wayne pdobally would, that's the kind of guy he WAS.

unspellable · « **Reply #8 on:** April 04, 2005, 07:23:33 AM »

Why are we watching 60 Lies in the first place?

Some people are gluttons for punishment.

Brett · « **Reply #9 on:** April 04, 2005, 09:29:56 AM »

Quote from: ajj

Did you notice that what JF was actually doing was shilling her new book? That's what this was all about.

BINGO!! You hit the nail right on the head.

She's attempting to suck up to the portion of the American public which hates her guts for her actions during Nam' so that she can sell a few more copies of her book.

I could care less what Hanoi Jane thinks or does for that matter and I wouldn't buy her book to wipe my rear end if all the stores ran out of toilet paper tomorrow.

Piney · « **Reply #10 on:** April 04, 2005, 10:48:44 AM »

she's a liberal worm that will do anything to promote her agenda! Like that (60 Lies)!

jh45gun · « **Reply #11 on:** April 04, 2005, 12:49:20 PM »

Maybe though I think that those who knew his actions in Nam and here after he got back still would have discredited him. Pretty hard to change your personal history when it is well documented in books and news clips ect.

Face it the guy was a phoney his home movies of him in the jungle with a M16 is kinda hard to take since he was a commander of a river/shore patrol boat. Naval officers as far as I know do not go into the tulies dressed up like GI Joe.

But then there are a lot of gullible voters in this country so who knows what would have happened or could happen again. Jim

IntrepidWizard · « **Reply #12 on:** April 04, 2005, 01:09:18 PM »

She is the lowest form of traitor,her parents were communist and she and her brother still are.SHE WAS THE CAUSE OF THE DEATH AND TORTURE OF AMERICANS-SHE TURNED OVER TO THE VC NOTES THE PRISONERS GAVE HER.

mag41vance · « **Reply #13 on:** April 04, 2005, 02:32:47 PM »

I can't judge her or you all that hate her. I do know that bitterness is something that can destroy the one it possess's.
I'm too young to remember all the stuff that surrounded the then "young womans" actions, but it seems that she wasn't alone in her hate of that war, or in her treatment of those soldiers that fought for something that they never achieved. Our soldiers came home to a country that didn't seem to care much for them. All in all, there was not one good thing that came from that mess, except the friendships that the soldiers made with each other during that dreadful time.
Most often, forgiveness isn't genuine in the first place unless it's granted before someone asks for it.
Boy's; don't let bitterness win this final Viet Nam battle.

Think of the things in your own lives that without forgiveness would leave you barren.

God help you with this struggle.

Your Friend in firearms!!
Vance

Leftoverdj · « **Reply #14 on:** April 04, 2005, 02:43:11 PM »

Quote from: IntrepidWizard

She is the lowest form of traitor,her parents were communist and she and her brother still are.SHE WAS THE CAUSE OF THE DEATH AND TORTURE OF AMERICANS-SHE TURNED OVER TO THE VC NOTES THE PRISONERS GAVE HER.

Wiz, you really oughta check Snopes before you spew:

"The most serious accusations in the piece quoted above that Fonda turned over slips of paper furtively given her by American POWS to the North Vietnamese and that several POWs were beaten to death as a result are proveably untrue. Those named in the inflammatory e-mail categorically deny the events they supposedly were part of.

"It's a figment of somebody's imagination," says Ret. Col. Larry Carrigan, one of the servicemen mentioned in the 'slips of paper' incident. Carrigan was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967 and did spend time in a POW camp. He has no idea why the story was attributed to him, saying, "I never met Jane Fonda."

The tale about a defiant serviceman who spit at Jane Fonda and is severely beaten as a result is often attributed to Air Force pilot Jerry Driscoll. He has repeatedly stated on the record that it did not originate with him. "

IntrepidWizard · « **Reply #15 on:** April 04, 2005, 02:49:08 PM »

Site your sources Lefty,interesting you glossed over the other truths.

Leftoverdj · « **Reply #16 on:** April 04, 2005, 03:19:27 PM »

Told you, Wiz, Snopes.

And I addressed your post, nothing more, nor less. There's enough real stuff to dislike about Fonda without passing on malicious inventions.

jh45gun · « **Reply #17 on:** April 04, 2005, 05:19:22 PM »

Not every thing posted at Snopes is set in stone there is a lot of conjecture there. I use the website also to check on stuff but it has been known to have flaws in what it has posted. Still it is better than nothing thats for sure.

williamlayton · « **Reply #18 on:** April 04, 2005, 10:35:09 PM »

I have an opinion. I had a friend, WWII vet, told me early on in this conflict that we had no business over there and should remove troops.
I objected as my fever was at a high.
Two years later I had to agree and still agree.
Folks our troops were the finest, showed bravery, did as they were asked and I admire them.
This was a politicians war, it began dishonestly and for all the wrong reasons. This war was/is a black mark on the USA. It should never have happened. Many brave young men were sent to death, if not there, later, and for no good reason. There was never any intent to win, no plans, no thoughts.
Who was to blame??? Some say JFK. Some LBJ. A few put it on the main culprit DDI. JFK was trying to back out, and, would have. LBJ was a pawn in the hands of the Military Industrial Complex.
It was Americans who were all about making money off this thing.
JF was only a small voice in America crying out for the government to stop killing American boys for no good reason.
You may cry Communism and I will cry just as loud "HOGWASH"---$$$$$$.
We were not ever in a position to take on China and Russia without devastating consequences and really never intended too.
Bring it on-the facts have been on the table for years.
Blessings

jh45gun · « **Reply #19 on:** April 05, 2005, 01:03:11 AM »

Why single out the nam war?

? In my opinion there has never been a war fought yet because of hatred as much as it hs been for other reasons. It has always been due to money, Land, self preservation or some other reason in the background. As far as money goes not sure about back in the early days but in this Century ever war we have fought has bumped up the economy usually afterwards.

williamlayton · « **Reply #20 on:** April 05, 2005, 02:22:11 AM »

I believe you brought up Viet Nam or at least referred to it, therefore the reply.
Blessings

Mikey · « **Reply #21 on:** April 05, 2005, 03:47:11 AM »

Gentlemen - the best way to deal with people like fonda is to just ignore her and quit wasting your dang time doting on her. She will always have some following or another but for the majority of those of us who fought that war, simply ignoring her is the best measure.

Fellas - we all have better things and topics to think and talk about. Why waste our time on this one. Mikey.

VTDW · « **Reply #22 on:** April 05, 2005, 08:45:19 AM »

Mikey,

A BIG Amen to that. I would just as soon (but cannot) forget her as well as a lot of other things being thrown about here.

Dave

IntrepidWizard · « **Reply #23 on:** April 05, 2005, 10:49:10 AM »

One can't forget that Vomitis that is regurgitated over and over !

ironglow · « **Reply #24 on:** April 09, 2005, 03:15:49 AM »

THere was a bio on her last night...much I dislike her, I watched to hear her " apology "..

No Vance; she was not alone in her mistreatment of our troops, there were MANY just as warped.
Although I was in the Army at that time, I served in Europe. I DID try to volunteer for Nam as it heated up...but with 10 1/2 months left, they wanted me to re-up to go...finishing my second hitch, I had already made plans for civilian life.
Yes; there were many that mistreated our troops...there was a great divide in our country...just about the same as there is today over the war on terror.
There are those of us that want to WIN the war on terror...and those that would rather try to coddle the terrorists such as Saddam Hussein.

Regarding Hanoi Jane

Some say we should "forgive" her.......OK...

I have had people wrong me..and I have wronged others...

Forgiveness, when I ask for it, works like this:

I approach the person(s) I mistreated. I say to them ..."I was WRONG, I was mistaken here...I was cruel there..I WAS WRONG...please forgive me for MY mistake, and I hope wew can renew our friendship.."

A bit of HUMILITY on the offender's part goes a long way...

The offended party finds it difficult to forgive if the offender does not ASK for forgiveness..

Viewing Jane's apology,I found it ludicrous....

She DID NOT apologize...she only admitted that she "hurt people"....shucks, Ted Bundy admitted that !

She did not enumerate her wrongdoings NOR ask forgiveness...I'm still waiting !

Her "conversion" to Christianity was covered in one or two sentences..

She attended a big church in Atlanta one Sunday. THe Pastor mentioned the fact the following week on TV ( a bad mistake)...so she never went to church again...
She considers herself a Christian however...I won't judge her salvation, that's God's domain...

I may well forgive her... if she enumerates her misdoings and ASKS for forgiveness...

tscott · « **Reply #25 on:** April 09, 2005, 04:06:51 AM »

I'm from the same time, same military experience. Forget fonda! How about in the early 90's the Defense Secretary during the Viet Nam War,
Robert Mcnamara, hawking his book across the country, on how the Gov. knew we were in an unwinable situation situation as to plan, yet they continued to sacrifice our peers, with this knowledge, and their poor exit plan.... I don't know how the man could have lived with himself!

Dark:30 · « **Reply #26 on:** April 09, 2005, 02:33:29 PM »

Did two tours in Vietnam. I am very aware of the treasonous films and the treasonous radio broadcasts Jane Fonda made during her visit to North Vietnam. Her actions were wrong! Her actions were un-American! I am not alone in thinking that her actions cost American lives! Needless to say, I don't care much for her or anything she has done during her entire lifetime.

I make a point not to watch anything she does now days or any old footage of what she did in the past. For me to dwell on ANYTHING about Jane Fonda is a waste of my time.

She will never be brought to justice here on earth but she will come before her *MAKER* someday! Justice is his! This fact eases my mind, sooooothes my soul.

Frank

Mac11700 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 09, 2005, 02:57:53 PM »

I think that they should bring her up on Treason charges...they still can do it...if they can still do it to the Nazis...or any of them of late...what nerve of that b*#$%...for telling our captive soldiers that they were " War criminals" for doing what they had done...

Mac

ironglow · « **Reply #28 on:** April 09, 2005, 04:25:30 PM »

tscott;
Yes, McNamara`should have been prosecuted also..

IntrepidWizard · « **Reply #29 on:** April 09, 2005, 04:39:23 PM »

Axis Sally,Tokoyo rose and that something Harry of England were all hung.she should have been tried.