Poor man's Electric Bore Cleaner

[quickdtoo]

I haven't done this, but I'm considering it, the Outer's version costs about $90....

http://www.marlinowners.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=7398

[Fred M]

Quick.
Don't do it, it will take the copper out alright and will take some of the barrel with it. This is a bad concoction. Outers Foul out is bad enough using eletrolyte fluids. This is potent electrolisis.

Just another El Cheepo remedy, use J-B paste for badly copper fouled bore. It does two things it removes the copper fouling and polishes the bore but it does not harm the bore.

[Ricci Price]

I'm with you Fred ,ain't scared of electricity(electrician by trade) but I don't want any type of electrolisys in my barrel no tellin what it might do to the molecular structure of the metal ,JB and Hoppes works just fine

[Fred M]

Ricci Price.
Thanks Ricci you know what I am talking about. The migration of the copper to the diode(the carbon steel rod) is an electro chemical process like copper plating but it also migrates the underlying metal (carbon steel barrel) stainless is not quite as bad. Of course the potency of ammoia it self attacks barrel steel.

The sugestion is to leave the ammoia in the barrel for only one hour, implying the copper deposit has an even layer when in fact copper fouling is never even, so while still removing the heavier deposits the process works on bare steel.

Some shooters shun bore cleaners with amonia like Sweets 7.62 if left in barrel too long it will start corrosion.

[quickdtoo]

Well, I'm through considering it, the comments posted make sense, it's not for me, I'll continue to use WipeOut. BTW, I've seen recommendations for the Outers foaming bore cleaner as an alternative to WipeOut because it costs less, so I bought a can at Walmart. It seems to work as well, although I haven't used it on anything really fouled, yet,  but the cost is not less than WipeOut which sells for $9.50 for 5.oz at Sportsmans Warehouse. The Outers costs $6.88 for 3oz, which is $2.29 per .oz, the WipeOut is $1.90 per .oz, even if I had to mailorder the WipeOut, it would still be a better buy since I always need other items when I place orders!!!

Thanks for the replies

Tim

[Longcruise]

I've used the electronic cleaning method on some of my "new" milsurps and have had good success with it.

I differ with the author on the use of the 6 volt lantern battery.  A single D cell in a radio shack battery holder is more than enough electrical value and if there are to be problems in attacking the steel it will have to do with the electrical value!

I use a common cork to plug the chamber end of the barrel and drop a metal rod down the bore with rubber bands wrapped at several points to keep it from contact with the barrel.

Also, don't use straight ammonia but rather a mixture of 2 parts water, 1 part white vinegar and 1 part ammonia.

[Longcruise]

I've used the electronic cleaning method on some of my "new" milsurps and have had good success with it.

I differ with the author on the use of the 6 volt lantern battery.  A single D cell in a radio shack battery holder is more than enough electrical value and if there are to be problems in attacking the steel it will have to do with the electrical value!

I use a common cork to plug the chamber end of the barrel and drop a metal rod down the bore with rubber bands wrapped at several points to keep it from contact with the barrel.

Also, don't use straight ammonia but rather a mixture of 2 parts water, 1 part white vinegar and 1 part ammonia.

[rp85]

hello;

had great results with a device found at a site devoted to firearm cleaners and lubricants.

home.sprynet.com/~frfrog2/homemade.htm

made the flash light cleaner.  cost was less than $5.  used for only 15 min. and a badly fouled barrel came clean.  remember jb bore pasted is an abrasive, @1200 grit, paste that also removes minute amounts of metal.  if the problem is a badly fouled barrel, the flash light device is low cost, easy answer.

rp

[quickdtoo]

rp, JB non-embedding compound which is about a 3000 grit, is a very, very mild abrasive. Flitz metal polish is more abrasive and I wouldn't worry about using it, at all. The possibility of damaging a bore with JB is nil using normal procedures. This subject has been hashed over before, here and several other boards, it's a non-issue as far as barrel damage with proper use.

http://www.snipercountrypx.com/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idproduct=179

http://www.rifleshootermag.com/shooting_tips/keep_clean_accuracy/index1.html

If the J-B is abrasive, don't you have to worry about harming your bore? And what about chrome-plated bores? The abrasive used is non-embedding, and won't grind your bore out. It is softer than the steel but hard enough to work on the copper, and lots softer than the chrome. It hasn't harmed any of my barrels after years of use.

[rp85]

quickdtoo, i agree!  if used as discribed for a short period of time, 15 min., the flash light bore cleaner is just too cheap, too easy and effective.  the barrels i used this device on were badly fouled.  bore cleaners would take hours if not days.

rp

[glock29]

Quickdtoo,
I have used the Foaming Outers Bore Cleaner on a really cruddy copper-fouled barrel and it worked great for removing the copper fouling.
I would not say that this stuff is great for powder fouling, but for removing copper I have found it works better than anything other than the "electrolytic" type cleaning systems.

[Nightrain52]

I have used Wipe-Out now for a couple of years and it is good stuff. It's a good all around barrel cleaner and it helps loosen up lead deposits so a patch will take them out. I no longer have sore shoulders, elbows, and fingers from hours of scrubbing with other stuff. :-D