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Offline Dand

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Mines might come to Mulchatna area
« on: April 12, 2005, 09:53:43 AM »
Hey folks, I just got back from a 3 day meeting in Newhalen /Iliamna regarding the world's largest open pit gold mine that might be dug in the headwaters of the Koktuli River.

This thing is overwhelming to consider and has many aspects.  Folks in the area really need jobs.  They also depend on the huge salmon runs (some of which are in trouble lately) and the caribou and moose.

If the big pit and all the attendant support facilities are built, its likely to make 2-4 other pits viable.  One pit is a bit spooky but 3-4 others would vastly change the area and may have a much more disruptive effect on the area.

If you are interested please take some time to inform yourself.  This development is proposed in the single biggest area of undeveloped State land in Alaska - about 6 million acres.  

It scares me. But there are no easy answers.  Basically I strongly support Jay Hammond's position and 4 Criteria.

Maybe other folks with mine experiences can contribute and help us figure out what we want to do.

media links:

Rewards, risks drive talks on Pebble gold mine  
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/6357280p-6234438c.html
 
Talk is tense at mining conference
http://www.adn.com/money/story/6360900p-6238271c.html
 
Residents weigh mine benefits, costs:
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/6364726p-6242251c.html
 
Koliganek students offer Pebble insight
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/6364726p-6242255c.html
 
Mining conference is a little squishy (close seating).
http://www.adn.com/money/story/6360900p-6238272c.html

Other links:

Bristol Bay Alliance  - I have found Brian to be a good man to work with. He is trying hard to seek a balance on this issue.
http://www.bristolbayalliance.com/

Alaskans for Responsible Mining
http://www.reformakmines.org/

Earthworks
http://actionnetwork.org/mpc/notice-description.tcl?newsletter_id=3094805
 
mine company links
 
Hunter Dickinson - Northern Dynasty
http://www.hdgold.com/hdi/Home.asp

Liberty Star - stock info but home is easy to find.
http://www.libertystargold.com/s/StockInfo.asp
 
Full Metal Minerals
http://www.fullmetalminerals.com/read_more.php
 
Alaska Earth Sciences    AKA Alaska Earth Resources
has claims of their own plus represent a real-estate guy with huge claims.
http://www.aes.alaska.com/
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Mines might come to Mulchatna area
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2005, 12:03:15 PM »
You know this is a little different than drilling an oil well, can have a different affect on the country side.  That is a hard one to balance.  The need for the state to open up mining for jobs and industry.  Also for the improvement of the state's economy.  But at what cost?  Can and will the mining be done responsiably to minimise the impact to the area.  Will the affects be temporary or long lasting, good or bad?  What will be the cost of progress?  There is no simple solution!  
 
My opinion, and my opinion only.  The affects to the Caribou will be minimal and temporary.  Caribou are resilient and this is a very small spot in their overall territory.  They may or may not move out of the area while mining activities go on.  But the affects on fish could be devastating if not handled properly.  Then again if handled properly there could be no damage to fish.

This is a hard one to decide.
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« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2005, 02:54:58 PM »
Don't be too hasty to make your mind one way or the other right now.  The Environmental Impact Statement data and biological assessments are still being gathered.  You will definitely want to review this document which will be lengthy.  See what the biological and environmental concerns are and how they will be addressed.  If that satisfies you, comment and let them know.  If it doesn't, comment and let them know.

It's easy to get caught up emotionally on both sides of something like this.  One, the jobs are needed.  Two, it is a very sensitive area.  The issue will be finding a balance and making sure the protections are sufficient.

One thing I've found that does help, if you are not satisfied with the way the environmental concerns are handled or the protections proposed, offer suggestions or help find a better way.  So many of these public meetings turn into opportunities for one crowd to attack the other crowd and that doesn't do anybody any good.

I'm definitely anxious to see the EIS or ACMP.

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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2005, 04:08:51 PM »
It is like this.  Gold is needed for the production of goods.  And Alaskans need jobs.

If we import the metal from other countries you can bet that the metal will not be mined with the same environmental concerns as there are in the United States.  Our mining companies have to follow regulations for 5-6 different agencies.  In some other country, how many agencies control the mining.

As Yukon stated:  Let the environmental impact studies be done first.  The pipeline concerns were unwarrented and many of the concerns over there probably will be too.
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2005, 11:23:36 AM »
Mine info:

I attended another meeting on this mine in Dillingham and found they will have a more informational web site soon.
It will be community oriented and not strictly investor oriented. Its supposed to be more complete in two weeks: http://www.ndmpebblemine.com/ There is just some place holder stuff online at this point.

Comments:

Yes sorting out what is best for Alaska as well as locals near the mine site is a huge challenge.

At this point Northern Dynasty doesn’t know for sure if they will build the mine.  They are waiting for core analysis to help them decide if the deposit is feasible to mine.  Then they have to figure out if they can feasibly meet the regulations and permit terms required by the State and possibly Federal Government.  Not to mention they will have to cross Native owned lands – some of who don’t want a mine at this point.

So yes we all need to get educated.  With all the different aspects folks will need all the time available to get educated.

IN Dillingham the ND rep. brought up that there is some consideration of creating small water retention dams in the far upper reachs of the south fork of the Koktuli to address ground water concerns.  In addition they are looking at diverting a portion of the S. Fork Koktuli into the Upper Talarik Creek - an entirely different watershed!  All just ideas at this point but potential concerns for public access and environmental problems.

Dave, while I agree that some worries for the pipeline and this mine aren’t warranted, some issues warrant all the scrutiny and attention we can muster.  

My dad is a mechanical engineer.  He was able to review some of early pipeline designs and they were BAD.   Some designs had the hot pipe laying on permafrost.  Little seismic (earthquake) design work was done.  My dad has said many times that the strong and persistent objections of the environmental lobby helped make the final pipeline design and construction  so successful  (and yes, many times more expensive).  The ongoing scrutiny by critics keeps maintenance and operation of the pipeline as good as it is.  Like the wolves helping to keep the caribou herds more fit, I have to grudgingly acknowledge that the Sierra Club et.al.deserves credit for the relatively minor impacts of the whole north slope oil development.

If you wonder about my dad’s qualifications:  Mechanical engineer (licensed PE) from about 1958 to 1983.  In that period he designed and oversaw construction of the HVAC, and all plumbing on many large buildings across Alaska including the both JC Penny buildings, Romig Jr. High, portions of Anchorage Providence Hosp.,  Fairbanks court house, other schools, as well as many large buildings on the military bases.  His heating and ventilation knowledge was used in development of special foundations for permafrost in Glennallen, Fairbanks, Galena?, Delta and other places.

The social issues may be the hardest to deal with, hardest to anticipate yet the most profound of all.  I have been through the Kenai oil boom, Dutch Harbor crab boom and crash,  portions of the salmon boom in SW Alaska in addition to living in Fairbanks during the pipeline boom and the real-estate bust of 1986.  There are some winners, some losers, lots of turmoil, massive changes that can never be undone, and a lot of us wondering  whether some of the changes were worth it.

 I’ll leave it there.  It will be a collective decision to reach.
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