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Offline mudriver

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« on: April 16, 2005, 06:43:44 AM »
Anyone load down 7.62x54's for a low recoil, plinking load?  I'd like to use 4350 if I can.  I'll be shooting out of some M44's and full size Mosin's (those steel buttplates look like they would hurt at full power).

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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2005, 08:02:43 AM »
I use 16 to 18  grains of 2400 and cast bullets using C.E. Harris'es "The Load"  If your going to plink cast loads are perfect for that as they are cheap to shoot. Jim
Said I never had much use for one, never said I didn't know how to use it.

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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2005, 04:53:58 PM »
Same here as jh45gun although I also load up to around 21 grains of 2400 and use around 9 grains of Unique for really light loads.

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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2005, 12:57:39 AM »
I like to stay away from the really light loads as I read something about drilling out the primer holes for these loads to work right and I prefer to keep my brass as is.  If anyone can explain that better I would appreciate it why you need to do that//??? Jim
Said I never had much use for one, never said I didn't know how to use it.

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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2005, 02:29:12 AM »
Basically this is a problem with rimless cases that headspace on the shoulder. For rimless cases, as long as you alternate between light charges and heavier it isn't a problem.

Here is a partial repost of the Harris article that I posted:

Repeated reloading of rimless cases with very mild loads results
in the primer blast shoving the shoulder back, unless flash holes
are enlarged with a No.39 drill to 0.099" diameter. Cases which
are so modified must NEVER be used with full-power loads! ALWAYS
identify cases which are so modified by filing a deep groove
across the rim with a file and label them clearly to prevent
their inadvertent use. For this reason I prefer to do my
plainbased practice shooting in rimmed cases like the .30-30,
.30-40 rag, .303 British and 7.62x54R which maintain positive
headspace on the rim and are not subject to this limitation.

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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2005, 02:41:27 AM »
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Anyone load down 7.62x54's for a low recoil, plinking load?  I'd like to use 4350 if I can.  I'll be shooting out of some M44's and full size Mosin's (those steel buttplates look like they would hurt at full power).


4350 is really way to slow burning for good reduced loads.  Try 14 to 16 gr of Unique with surplus 123-125 AK/SKS bullets or their commercial replicants.  Use standard LR primers and neck sized fire formed cases. Velocity will be from about 1600 to 2000 fps, accuracy good to excelent depending on bullet and plinkability will be lots of fun to outstanding.  Oh yeah, recoil will be some what less than an M1 Carbine out of your M44.

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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2005, 02:55:33 AM »
LMG you beat me to it. I had just sent mudriver a pm and was going to post a similar comment on the 4350. It is unsafe to use reduced loads with slow burning powders, unless it is a powder like 870 or 8700 where the powder fills the case completely.

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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2005, 03:26:56 AM »
You need to be careful on powder selection for reduced loads (dangerous). I would recommend that you look at the reduced loads in the Speer reloading manual. There are certain powders that lend themselves real well for reduced loads. I tried light target loads with IMR 4198 for my 7.62 X 54 Russians with good results.
Hunting and fishing are not matters of life or death. They are much more important than that.

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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2005, 10:00:59 AM »
First for the MN in 7.62x54R or just about any military caliber  C. Ed Harris of Ed's Red fame has a couple of great reduced loads he has published: one based on Alliant 2400 power for cast lead bullets and the other one for jacketed bullets based on a Red Dot shotgun powder (sometimes call The Load).

The other main source of reduced load information is Hogdon powders and their information on using H-4895 for "youth" loads or cast bullet loads.  If you go the the Hogdon power website and look up the information on youth loads they will tell you that you can use H-4895 at down to about 60% of a full power load with jacketed bullets as a youth reduced recoil load.  If you use cast bullets and call them, they will tell you that with H-4895 you can go down to about 50% of a full case of powder with cast lead bullets.

If you are into reduced loads, those are loads carved in stone and you should familiarize yourself with them.

Here is what I can tell you about my MN loads in 7.62x54R that I have worked up and enjoyed...

Slightly less than full power load, but should be good for hunting; about 3-inch groups at 100 yards with 1939 Tula MN 1891/30:

180grain .311 Remington 180 grain bulk Core-Lokt RN SP (Purchased through Midway on internet) 41.8 grains of Hodgdon 4895, Winchester Large Rifle Primer, Winchester brass, OAL about 3.024 inch.

Reduced loads for target shooting.

175 grain cast lead gas-checked bullet,Lee Liquid Alox, 33.6 grains of H-4895
155 grain cast lead gas-checked bullet, Lee Liquid Alox, 15.4 grains of Alliant 2400

Both of the above reduced loads are about as accurate at the 180 jacketed load, much easier on the shoulder, but require the rifle iron sights to be adjusted for a theoretically farther distance due to lower velocity.

Once my MN1891/30 site is zeroed by adjusting the front site to be right on at 100 yards for the jacketed load, the following sight adjustments result in "in the black shots."

175 grain----rear site to 400 meter setting for 100 yd zero
------------rear site to 600 meter setting for 200 yd zero

155 grain----rear site to 600 meter setting for 100 yard zero

Good luck and have fun reloading for your MN.

With iron sights and old eyes, I get about 3 inch groups at 100 yards most of the time.  Both cast bullet loads are very easy on the shoulder.

P.S.  I have some 110 grain cast lead bullets that I have tried everything on and not been able to make an accurate round out of.  I suspect that they just will either not stabilize at the velocities I am trying to shoot them at or they ares so short that something happens in the throat on their way to entering the barrel that makes accuracy impossible

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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2005, 04:10:41 PM »
Thanks for all the help :D  - I definitely appreciate the input and look forward to blasting some steel with these old warhorses!

I'll update with my progress.