Author Topic: Cow Buffalo with 480 Ruger SRH (Read 2165 times)

BABore · « **on:** April 21, 2005, 06:42:37 AM »

I finally got blood on my 480 Ruger that wasn't my own.

Took her at 66 yards with a 410 gr WFNGC hard cast going 1,230 fps. The bullet went through the triceps, between two ribs and cut the top of the heart and lower lungs. It glanced off of a rib and exited through the opposite side triceps. The bullet didn't exit, but the nose just cut through the skin. At the shot she hunched up and almost tipped over then spun and went about 10 feet before going down. Took about 3 minutes to expire, but never regained her feet.

oso45-70 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 21, 2005, 08:27:54 AM »

BABore,

Congratulations on Blood other than yours, Should be some tasty steaks.
That Buffler meat is good viddles Pilgrim. Stay safe.......Joe...........

Elwood · « **Reply #2 on:** April 21, 2005, 09:30:13 AM »

awesome!!,
Where did you go to hunt her? How was the hunting? Tell me more.

Elwood

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 21, 2005, 10:13:05 AM »

Congratulations on the buffalo. Where did you go?

Jeff Vicars · « **Reply #4 on:** April 21, 2005, 11:30:34 AM »

Have a photo of the bullet? Congratulations.

lisa1lacy2 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 21, 2005, 12:31:28 PM »

VERY COOL CONGRATULATION :grin: :grin: :grin:

BABore · « **Reply #6 on:** April 22, 2005, 02:05:54 AM »

Here's the Pic of the bullet.

I contacted the manufacturer and sent them the same pic along with the details. I got this preliminary reply.

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Sir we have had this problem with a customer shooting a 454. He also
was using the hornady dies. The only thing that we can figure is that
when people use a real heavy roll crimp the bullit appears to fracture
the bullit at the crimp groove. We have not been able to prove it or
replicate it. I am sorry that I do not have a better answer for you.
This is all that I can come up with.
Kelly B.

I've also sent them the bullet, wound photo's and more info. Hope to get a better answer.

As to where I got the buffalo, It was in Morely, Michigan. This is north of Grand Rapids about 30 miles. The place is called the Super G Ranch. It was a fenced in shoot. They have about 550 acres fenced. It's probably about 70% wooded. Took about 1 1/2 hours to find them, 20 minutes of stalking. Got lucky as the cow I wanted took a short cut to get a drink. Would not be much of a challange with a rifle. I imposed a limit of 75 yards. Bow hunting would be most difficult. But, I wasn't really going for sport, just meat. I couldn't stand the thought of buying beef as I had a poor deer season last year. The cow buffalo were $650 to $750. Since I did all the cutting, it was cheaper than beef. Plus I got to try out my shooter. I figured I got about 300+ pounds of boneless meat in the freezer.

Mikey · « **Reply #7 on:** April 22, 2005, 02:53:06 AM »

BABore - way to go. She will be some fine eating for sure. Very interesting response you received from CPB, I wonder how that works with other jacketed bullets.

We have a couple of hunting ranches in upstate NY and one of them previously offered Bison. My brother was set to take a young bull but with the mad cow scares out west (or should I say scare (singular) they got very pricey all of a sudden. I think I'll call the one of the ranches and see how they are now priced. Mikey.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #8 on:** April 23, 2005, 11:42:26 PM »

congrats. I have buffalo steaks thawed for breakfast your in for some good eating. Do you have a web sight for the hunt. I payed $1000 up here in the UP for a hunt for a 1000lb cow what do the weights average at that price.

BABore · « **Reply #9 on:** April 25, 2005, 01:48:38 AM »

Lloyd,

The $650 cows were 750-850 pounds, the $750 cows were 850-1000 pounds. Their website is www.SuperGranch.com. They have a bunk house for overnighters. They skinned and broke the meat down however you wanted. Local processers are available, but I did my own cutting. The Super G has some decent prices on hogs and elk too. I think the hogs are $350. Seen some 600-800 pound ferral hogs sleeping in a nest while walking. Probably seen about 75-80 hogs and about 50 elk.

I was raised just north of Escanaba near Cornell.

Hcliff · « **Reply #10 on:** May 24, 2005, 01:30:21 PM »

Congrats on that. Got love the 480. Lots of BBQ. Looks like a party at your house!!

Great Job

Hcliff

Dusty Miller · « **Reply #11 on:** May 24, 2005, 09:29:45 PM »

Truth of the matter is this cow could've probably been taken with a .44 mag. but what the heck, there's nuth'n wrong with using ENOUGH GUN! On top of that, if you've got a new gun.......................

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #12 on:** May 27, 2005, 12:16:43 AM »

we hunt them right in your old back yard. Dave Vanalsaker in Northland has them and is a buddy of mine. Hes bought two of my linebaughs off of me. He has buffalo and pigs. If you ever get back up this way get ahold of me and we will go out and burn some powder.

Quote from: BABore

Lloyd,

The $650 cows were 750-850 pounds, the $750 cows were 850-1000 pounds. Their website is www.SuperGranch.com. They have a bunk house for overnighters. They skinned and broke the meat down however you wanted. Local processers are available, but I did my own cutting. The Super G has some decent prices on hogs and elk too. I think the hogs are $350. Seen some 600-800 pound ferral hogs sleeping in a nest while walking. Probably seen about 75-80 hogs and about 50 elk.

I was raised just north of Escanaba near Cornell.

crawfish · « **Reply #13 on:** May 28, 2005, 04:51:41 PM »

BABore
You, I am 99% sure, have answered something that has puzzled me for a while. I have been using CPBT hard cast bullets for 5 years now. I have noticed on occasion that there were two exit wounds. Since I always shoot to break bones I have attributed that other smaller exit wound to bone fragments. Unlike you I have never been able to recover a bullet. I also have killed a 600+lbs cow buffalo with a CPBT hard cast. It was a .41 caliber 265g GC at 1283fps from a Contender. One shot at 67 yards, straight down on her nose. First thing I noticed, when we got her on the scale gambrel was the two exit wounds. There was the one I expected about golf ball size then a just about caliber sized hole that I always thought was bone blasting through, have seen the same thing on big pigs and large exotic goat and sheep. Never have seen it with whitetail deer though maybe because their bones are nowhere near as dense as those of bigger animals. BTY I also use a pretty heavy crimp on these bullets. Man what Kelly wrote back to you about pre-fracturing with the crimp sure fits to a T.

BABore · « **Reply #14 on:** June 01, 2005, 07:02:38 AM »

Lloyd,

Might have to take you up on that someday. I grew up in Cornell, just NNW of Escanaba. Still deer hunt at my father-in-law's in Cornell every year. I probably shouldn't go and post this video link of my buffalo, but what the hell.

http://www.huntingfootage.com/showphoto.php?photo=1377

When I posted this a Marlin Owners forum, a bambist with little hunting experience, made some poor comments. He sparked quite a debate on follow up shots, caliber choice etc. He thought it was me chuckling on the audio, called me an animal hater. :grin: It was my buddy doing the filming that was tickled at how fast it went down.

Crawfish,

I ran into several new things in regards to the CPB hard cast. It was pretty much confirmed that I encourged the nose fracture by overcrimping. I also related this info to Dan at Mnt Moulds. He has an article on the Lee handgun FC die swaging a hardcast down several thousandths when crimping. After telling him my story, he suggested that I pull a few bullets and see what my Hornady die was doing. Sure enough, my bullet went in at 0.4751 diameter. The pulled bullets mic'ed at 0.473 on the top band, 0.474 on the middle two bands, and 0.475 on the bottom band and gas check. They were definitely getting swaged down. No wonder I could never get good accuracy with plain base bullets. I will be getting a standard RCBS roll crimp die for future hard cast loads.

crawfish · « **Reply #15 on:** June 01, 2005, 02:28:48 PM »

I knew that the Lee FC die was swaging the bullet. That came to light with my Taurus .41RemMag. My hunting loads fit all my hunting revolvers but wouldn't fit the Taurus. They would only go a bit more than half way in the chambers. I ran some through the Lee FC die and they fit slick as snot. I think Im going to try to pull some bullets this weekend. I have .41 caliber collet puller and access to a very high power microscope so Ill put some indicating stain on the bullet and take a look. If it is fractured Ill be able to see that. Have a whole test series figured out to prove/disprove that Im causing the fracture with the heavy crimp. Ill bet a paycheck if those bullets are fractured it is being done by the crimp.

sendero270 · « **Reply #16 on:** June 12, 2005, 09:57:45 AM »

I have a Raging bull in 480 ruger...haven't had the chance to get any blood on mine yet... :cry: but this coming deer season i sure plan to! after hearing how far ur bullet penetrated, i might have gone a lil overboard on whitetails. but i love the gun, and the recoil is more than manageable! Maybe someday i'll try a buffalo hunt with mine too!

crawfish · « **Reply #17 on:** June 12, 2005, 03:48:53 PM »

I did my test, results were two that indicated they were fractured of the 100 I loaded using different methods. The method used on those two bullets was to apply a very heavy roll crimp to the point that the round would not chamber in my Taraus 425SH4C. I then ran them in a FC die of the 10 I did two indicated a fracture in the crimp grove when the bullet was pulled. Will this make me stop using an FC die? No it will not but Ill sure stop trying to use it to fix my mistakes with a roll crimp. I dont believe this is a bullet problem or die problem. I do believe it is a procedure problem on my part that I have now taken steps to correct.

Sverre A. · « **Reply #18 on:** June 16, 2005, 10:17:26 AM »

"Their website is www.SuperGranch.com. "

I have tried to come in contact with them via e-mail - but unfortunately - they don`t answer me.
Maybe they are overbooked?