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« on: April 24, 2005, 03:19:28 PM »
Just sent everything off yesterday. Talked to a man today who was a member for a few years, and he told me silhouette shooting has been "ruled" to death. He told me they even have rules about the engraving on your gun. From what he told me, your not even considered a real competitor unless your shooting a high dollar, scoped bolt gun. I'm sorry but I'm on a fixed income. The pistol I wanted to shoot is a 45 colt clone. I don't care if it doesn't set a world record, I just like to shoot it. Have I wasted my money on another high tech arms race game? I don't want to offend anyone, or talk out of turn, just kind of worried wasting my money on something I'm not going to enjoy.

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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2005, 04:06:07 PM »
Yes, there are rules about engraving your gun.  It's allowed.  The rule for production guns is "Engraving of metal parts of a handgun by the manufacture or other party is allowed, provided it is strictly commemorative or decorative and does not constitute nor is used as a shooting aid.

Anyway, I have been a IHMSA member for almost 2 years and I have a great time.  I shoot at 2 different clubs and the people are great.  It's just plain fun, even my wife enjoys it.  I shoot on a budget and use Rugers and Contenders, even my S&W 1911 last month.  Rules are what rules are and every form of shooting has rules.  I don't think the IHMSA rules are any worse than anything else.  There is always someone who will find fault with them, I don't.

As far as bolt guns go, they would be in an unlimited class.  One on the nice things about IHMSA is that you compete based on your skill level.  I started most classes as a "C" or "B" shooter.  Using the same guns I have worked my way up to "A" and "AA".  The greatest competition is yourself.  We have guys and gals shooting everything from revolvers with 4" barrels to fancy bolt guns, but we always have fun.  I hope your experiences will be just as good.  

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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2005, 03:07:15 AM »
Sounds to me like you have talked to someone who has had a bad experience being beat by someone with one of those high dollar rigs and gets frustrated easily.  Yes they do have the UNLIMITED class guns where the sky is the limit (well almost, there are still rules) but there are a number of catagories you can shoot in with you average off the shelf gun.  And as stated above, you against competitors in your class/shooting skill.  This person may also be frustrated that he isn't able to shoot in the higher classes possibly due to skill and blames it on the equipment.  I have seen that many time.  All I can say is silhouette is a great game and is as much fun as you want to make.  It has some of the greatest people I have met.  Just shoot and have fun.
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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2005, 03:43:07 AM »
My suggestion would be to show up to a match and see whatcha think.  You can be very competitive with several of the Ruger offerings.  The sport was built on the back of TC contenders and they are still competitive.  Have fun with it.
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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2005, 06:23:59 AM »
Hi Two Bellies

You put your money down so why not go out and see for yourself if you like the game?  Silhouette shooting is fun so go enjoy it.  Some local clubs are very high tech and some are not.   You will be the best judge of whether you are getting your money's worth or not.  
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Just sent everything off yesterday. Talked to a man today who was a member for a few years, and he told me silhouette shooting has been "ruled" to death. He told me they even have rules about the engraving on your gun. From what he told me, your not even considered a real competitor unless your shooting a high dollar, scoped bolt gun. I'm sorry but I'm on a fixed income. The pistol I wanted to shoot is a 45 colt clone. I don't care if it doesn't set a world record, I just like to shoot it. Have I wasted my money on another high tech arms race game? I don't want to offend anyone, or talk out of turn, just kind of worried wasting my money on something I'm not going to enjoy.

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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2005, 08:19:19 AM »
Thanks for the advice everyone. I was just a little jittery about putting out the money,driving 165 miles, and not enjoying it when I got there. I'll give it a shot though. Thanks again, James

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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2005, 12:06:30 PM »
Hi Two Bellies,

I see by your profile that you are in OK.  If you are going to the OK City Gun Club, I doubt you'll find a friendlier bunch of folks anywhere.  In fact, they'll probably try to jam a few of those high dollar guns into your hand for you to try.

I think you'll find the IHMSA bunch a very friendly crowd.  Remember, it's for fun, not a life & death situation & you're actually competing against yourself - trying to get better every match.

Good luck & keep us posted.

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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2005, 04:30:19 AM »
Two Bellies, there is a very good club and IHMSA match in Norman, OK each month and that would be a lot closer to you. I live in Norman and shoot there some. I have plain jane guns and have just as much fun. I also have a bolt gun but have not shot it in a match.
The next shoot in Norman would be June 26th, 0800 to 5:00 pm.
Great range and a good bunch of people.
I guess your talking about shooting at Tulsa? I have not been there for IHMSA but they have a good range. I have shot Bullseye there.

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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2005, 07:11:56 AM »
Joining IHMSA was one of the best decisions that I have ever made.
It has provided me with the opportunity to meet and interact with some of the nicest people I have ever met. They are a relaxed but driven group of top notch shooters.
I gained the desire to learn everything I can about reloading techniques, tricks and most important I have greatly improved my pistol and rifle marksmanship. It has been a wonderful 8 year relationship and I recommend it to anyone that will listen. I shoot 4 matches, (16 guns) a month and wish I could fit in more. Unfortunately work gets in the way, but I guess I have to afford components somehow.

Shoot well, shoot often and have fun.
IHMSA is the way to go.
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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2005, 05:43:35 AM »
Thanbks again everyone. I'm going to try to make the match in Norman Okla, June 26.  Hawkeye, I was talking about the OKC gunclub in Arcadia. That's a little over 170 miles from my house. Norman is just 130 from my front door. Won't be at either very often. Thanks again, Two Bellies

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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2005, 03:04:49 PM »
Welcome Two Bellies! I joined IHMSA and drove over 240 miles each way to shoot steel for 19 years! No, you didn't make a mistake. The best thing is make a weekend of it if you can. Try and find someone to team-up with. someone to spot with and share the drive will make the experience much more enjoyable. ****(Note....Wife type takes extra care as yelling at your spotter will REALLY cost you!.) You are competing against yourself. Your worst day at the range is still better than your best day behind a mower! Let us know how you do!

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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2005, 09:41:37 AM »
Once you attend a few matches you should try to run one closer to home.  With gas over $2+ a gallon I suspect the long distance drivers may be less this year.  At 35 cents a mile it doesn't take long to pay for a set of targets.  Put some of that gas money into small bore or even AIR targets and get a small club going in your area.  It is fun!
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Thanbks again everyone. I'm going to try to make the match in Norman Okla, June 26.  Hawkeye, I was talking about the OKC gunclub in Arcadia. That's a little over 170 miles from my house. Norman is just 130 from my front door. Won't be at either very often. Thanks again, Two Bellies

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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2006, 06:07:24 PM »
I'have been a member for almost 25 years. My member is 78?? so I've seen most of the rules started. The rules are for the most part safety oriented. There are also enough classes of shooters to fit almost any ability. When I first started it was for the most part a box sto :wink:  :wink: ck handgun till you got up into the unlimited class. The members are without any doubt, in my mind, the most open & friendly group I've come accross. They will spot for you ,tell what loads they use, & above all help anyone needing help no matter who they are. I shot reg. trap where if you coughed more than once you got whiteeyed off the trap range. That takes the fun out of shooting for me so I stopped. The members I've ran into are the greatest !!
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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2006, 01:37:23 PM »
i started out shooting a 14" 30-30 in a t/c... unlimited category.... ended up with an xp-100 in 7-308 with a king tube... added the 357 rem max, 357 herret and 44 mag on a ruger 10" wheelgun.... when i had the ruger tapped for scope mounts, it pushed it to the unlimited category... bummer... but with the informal shooting atmosphere our club has, i still shoot, as long as no one present objects....ihmsa shooting really sharpened my pistol skills...
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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2006, 07:01:58 AM »
Two Bellies,

Is joining IHMSA a mistake? The short answer is "NO". The longer answer is, I have been an IHMSA member for over 22 years and its the best money I have ever spent. I have met more fascinating people, traveled to more great places, learned more about sportsmanship, handloading and shooting skills and had more fun than I could have in a couple of life times without IHMSA.

I have played the equipment race game in Unlimited category and learned a great deal about building bench rest quality fireams and the handloading techniques involved. There is a definite place in this sport for these firearms and after 22 years the accuracy and skill of the shooters still amazes me as much today as it did 22 years ago. Over the last several years I returned mostly to the area of silhouette that has always had the most appeal for me, cast bullet revolver and this is the majority of my shooting today.

The point is that you don't have to play the equipment race game. You don't have to compete in every category and every class. Find your niche that appeals to you, make life long freinds, have more fun than you thought you could, soon you will find that your competing mostly against yourself because in your heart you know you can do better. It won't take long and the biggest thing on your mind will be, "man, when and where is the next match".

For all that I have gotten out of handgun silhouette any financial cost is insignificant.

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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2006, 03:32:44 AM »
He told me they even have rules about the engraving on your gun.

Sounds like the IPSC game? I can understand some rules are nessisary but, when they only benifit the few with money or high dollar sponsers?
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« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2006, 07:45:16 PM »
High dollar equipment is not necesarry in IHMSA. I started last year, and won HOA in Field Pistol Any Sight at the Wisconsin State Championship this year with less than $550 wrapped up in my gun and scope! (it already came engraved from the factory, so I saved a ton of money there!!)



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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2006, 03:08:05 PM »
Yeah, I agree with the previous, you do not need high dollar guns to play this game, although they help!  ;D  ;D  ;D   I feel it is more mental and concentration orientated.

For me IHMSA shooting is more about practice and bettering my shooting technique and skills for hunting.  I do not think IHMSA is so much a competitor sport, as it is more for friendship in our neck of the woods.  But hey if you are good enough and can win a State Championship it makes it even more gratifing!  Right Mark  ;)

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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2006, 08:21:11 AM »
I agree that high dollar pistols are not needed to play the IHMSA game & have an enjoyable experience.  I met a gentleman a couple of weeks ago who has expressed interest in trying our sport.  At my suggestion, he has purchased a Contender & a match grade .22LR barrel, and that pistol should serve him well in all disciplines except Revolver.  (He is not a reloader.)

IMHO, owners of high dollar pistols fall into two categories.  First, they have generally all been long time IHMSA members.  This is common to both categories.  The first category is the person who enjoys quality.  He will not ever be able to afford a Bentley Continental GT, but he can afford a Freedom Arms.  There is pride in owning a finely made firearm.  The second category is the person who is interested in seeing how far he/she can stretch the limits of their ability and wants to experiment with different chamberings/pistols to find the "ultimate" in accuracy.

The beauty of IHMSA is that it will accomodate all of these different shooters.  We have a place for the person who wants to be a casual participant.  We have a place for the person who is an accuracy fanatic.  And, we have a place for everyone in between these two different levels of involvement.

The real key to IHMSA's continued success is that each of us needs to be involved in recruiting new members and helping the match director run the show.  I have seen way too many clubs fold because the match director moves or is burned out, and no one is willing to pick up the torch.

Shoot safely, shoot often & well, and most of all have fun.

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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2006, 08:42:34 AM »
I will conceed that all handgun compition benifits the handgun design of the pistols for their respective use(IPSC/defense, IHMA/ hunting) but, compition seldom sets limits, far enough? Red dot, compensated, heavy pistols in combat situations aren't realistic. Neither are too heavy or longer handguns in the hunting field. Their use in either compitions, seems to dictate their legitamacy in practical use. Today in Iraq we see troops with the need for scope sighted, light weight rifles because of lack of proper marksmanship training and a lack of PT? Just my $.02. Now that I've got the flames started, I"ll stop the rant mode.
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« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2006, 09:50:05 AM »
S.B. wrote, "Red dot, compensated, heavy pistols in combat situations aren't realistic. Neither are too heavy or longer handguns in the hunting field."

Hi S.B.,

I can't speak for everyone or for every handgun, but I do know that I have put more meat on my table with IHMSA legal handguns than with a rifle.  One of my more memorable hunting moments was a nice whitetail doe in Missouri with a Dan Wesson 8" barreled .41 Magnum at just over 100 yards.  IHMSA pistols can be and are used in the hunting field quite successfully.

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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2006, 03:49:39 PM »
Took my deer last year with a 14" 30-30 Contender, wearing pachmayr grips and a Burris 3-12 scope. The same gun I shoot BB UAS with!

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« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2006, 11:27:18 AM »
I shot in IHMSA in late 70s and early 80s.   Got heavily into Boy Scouting as an Assistant Scout Master and then as Scout Master.   Stayed in it until middle 80s when my son was awarded Eagle (Jeez am I still proud or what? )   Anyway, between scouting, work, other personal obligations, did not have the time needed to be competitive in IHMSA so kinda dropped out.

Got back in with both barrels (pun intended) just this past September/October.  Shot in three matches in October and confirmed what I already knew - the ol' eyes did not improve with age.  Still, there is room for old farts in IHMSA.

Far from being stuffed with silly rules, the IHMSA has gotten far more open and accepting than it was back in 1979 and 1980.   Then it was iron sights only and too damned bad if you were an old fart like me.   They've opened up the game to allow optics so those of us who no longer can be competitive with iron can still have fun.  They've also added entire new games that allow the use of non hand cannons that ordinary people can shoot without worrying about recoil.  They now have field pistol (reduced size targets at reduced distances) which is essentially limited to straight sided pistol cartridges not longer than .357 mag.  They have .22 rimfire now with reduced size targets at reduced distances.  They even have a game for airguns.  Yes indeed, there are new rules but the overall effect has been to open up the game for all.

It is set up and was intended from the start to allow you to shoot what you already have, unless you just wanted to get into the Unlimited game with the really expensive guns.
Thus, they have a revolver class and a production class, where we can go head to head without having to have the bucks to buy the laser guns.   The idea was to avoid the equipment race that so many of the NRA games turned into early on.   Anyway, the whole point of "production" is to make it real.   They are dead right to be pretty strict on what sorts of changes you can make to a gun and still have it be "production".  If they didn't, there would always be somebody who would try to get an equipment edge, instead of a skill edge.

Today,  it is possible to get into the game and be competitive without spending a ton of money.   I bought a used ten inch Contender barrel in 7mm TCU, a 1985 vintiage Contender frame,  a Ken Light Rib and Weaver see-thru rings so I can use iron sights when I want to or the used Bushnell 2-6 variable pistols scope I bought for it.  Also bought a .22 rimfire barrel for it new.    All together, I paid only $685.00 for all of that, including dies for the 7mmTCU.   I did not HAVE to get the .22 barrel of course and that would have cut the cost by $220, down to $465.00.     I already had a Smith M657 .41 mag revolver and a Smith M28 .357 (the latter to use in production/revolver/field pistol) and those are out of the box guns that qualify as production/revolver.  I think that I'm pretty much competitive in standing (even with a revolver) despite my old eyes.   One of those little Merit eyeglasses attachments (about $65) REALLY helped the eyes.   Nope - the much complained-of regulations did not prevent me from using the Merit.

Bottom line - if you can't have reasonably inexpensive fun in IHMSA, you just are not trying.  Ignore the complainers and just go out and have a great time.

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« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2006, 11:46:53 AM »
I will conceed that all handgun compition benifits the handgun design of the pistols for their respective use(IPSC/defense, IHMA/ hunting) but, compition seldom sets limits, far enough? Red dot, compensated, heavy pistols in combat situations aren't realistic. Neither are too heavy or longer handguns in the hunting field. Their use in either compitions, seems to dictate their legitamacy in practical use. Today in Iraq we see troops with the need for scope sighted, light weight rifles because of lack of proper marksmanship training and a lack of PT? Just my $.02. Now that I've got the flames started, I"ll stop the rant mode.

OK - get ready for a burn.   <gentle smile>

Our guys in iraq are using the best equipment they can get not because they are not well trained, but because better equipment and proper training get better results.   Surely you don't think that our snipers (to use just one example) ought to be using iron sights for hits out past 600 meters?  They do that all the time you know and that doesn't even count the guys with the .50 cal. Barretts that have recorded kills beyond 1800 meters.    Red dot, holographic, and optical sights can increase hits and that is true even if you are a full out expert with iron sights.   But if you want, you should feel free to jump into that war and use a muzzle loader since that is more authentic.

As to actual real life use of IHMSA weapons,  our members are succesful in the hunting field all the time with their competition guns.  I, for example, have killed wild boar and deer with the gun I started IHMSA with - an 8-3/8" S&W M57 .41 Mag. with standard sights.   My shooting partner has a 14" Contender in .44 mag. that he's used to kill a number of deer and he is going to use it in IHMSA.   Back in 1979 my IHMSA shooting buddy had a Contender Super 14 in .35 Remington that he used in competition all the time and also killed deer with it.   I've met guys with Contenders and Encores with barrels even longer than 14" who varmint and deer hunt with them.   

Bottom line, the guns that I see today and those from the past that I have seen used in IHMSA are most assuredly practical hunting weapons.  True, there are some that I would not want to see in the field.  For example, the Wichita bolt silohouette gun does not have a safety, so it probably ought not to be taken to the field for safety reasons.   But, the overwhelming majority are quite practical and much handier than even the handiest carbines out in the deer woods.

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« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2007, 07:48:49 AM »
I have been a member in IHMSA for over 20 years [#1771], it is fun but it aint what it used to be. I personally think the people in charge on the national level don't have any idea what they are doing. If you want to shoot silhouette you only have two options and IHMSA is one of them. HAVE FUN

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« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2007, 06:05:45 AM »
I joined IHMSA in 1978, and had my stints as a Match Director in 2 Clubs, as well as a State Director for a couple of years, competing in many, many matches. I'm no longer an avid competitor, and it's true that match turnout at many clubs is no longer as large as it was a number of years ago, but IHMSA competition is still a fantastic way to learn to master a handgun. Get out and shoot, and enjoy yourself.

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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2007, 02:01:24 PM »
I just joined a few weeks ago myself.  I went to my first shoot last month and had a great time.  My score on field pistol was ___,  well lets not talk about that right now.  I did have a good time and the people there were like family to me.  Everyone was willing to help the new people like me.  I used to shoot at an archery league a few years ago,  a good number of people there were a part of that- I have a ton of money to spend on the best equipment possible crew.  They would try to call me on the slightest "infraction" of the rules, since I would score well with my "cheap-a$$ recurve bow".  Now I shoot at a place similar to the silhouette shoot,  Everyone is great and are really more interested in shooting and having fun then digging into what your doing wrong or what's wrong with your choice of equipment.

I also have set my goals for the next shoot,  BEAT MY LAST SCORES, and have a great time doing it. 
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« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2007, 03:39:24 PM »
Welcome to the sport, oneshot!! With your attitude, you'll be an asset to IHMSA. Hope to shoot with you someday, shoot an e-mail if you get up central Wisconsin way.

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« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2007, 04:09:35 AM »
You didn't make a mistake. IHMSA is a good way to learn how to shoot. Especially if you stick to the box-stock class.
Trouble is, the way things are, you'll feel the 'NEED' to get a better gun, invest in a Contender (or G2) and spend, spend
on better bullets, different powders, new dies, etc etc. It's insidious. I got into the game early..my member number was
1286... and it was lots of fun. Shot myself into P-AAA...then the highest class. Even won a few matches.
But Elgin Gates was the boss of the sport then, and it became increasingly clear that he had a Messiah/Caesar complex.
And the rules got pickier and pickier.
My stock Ruger .44 was suddenly disqualified because I'd polished the cylinder bright. This might not be a violation now,
but it was then, and I thought it unreasonable. That, and the squabbling and fighting over 'rulership' of the IHMSA on both
the state and national level, and the hyper-competitiveness that developed in the sport, with semi-pro shooters showing up
at local matches and eclipsing local talent; plus the increasing cost to compete, caused me to slip away from it. They still
have occasional matches at my old club, but the membership is way down. I hope that other clubs and groups in other
states will keep the game alive.
SASS seems to be where most of the attention is lately...and I think that's where the companies, the magazines, and the interest seems
to be centered. I wish it were still fun like in the old days...with shooters helping each other compete, kidding each other when
a bad shot or a 'leaner' happened, and not being so cut-throat 'winning is everything' as it later became.
IHMSA is still the best way to 'learn your gun' and how to hit what you aim at, of any handgun game I know.

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Re: joining ihmsa a mistake?
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2008, 09:25:12 PM »
 Here's another way to find ranges, http://nrahuntersrights.org/ and at the top you'll see two buttons entitled, "Places to Shoot" and "Places to Hunt". 

At the outdoor pistol range that I shoot at, we have a concealment range of 25 meters just annexed on the east side. We share the same firing line and use courtesy. We don't fire when they set targets, they don't fire when we do.  And they are quite welcome to walk over to the 40 and 50 meter racks should they want to shoot those distances.
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